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Post by beaverstever on Mar 31, 2020 12:40:48 GMT -8
Need a true, 5'7'-5'8", quick as s%#te, shoot a 3, PG now Very true. Rueck has used actual combo guards at the point quite successfully, but a true, quick point sure solves some related problems. Honestly, I'm not sure Rueck's system really need a true PG. He demands all players be good passers. It's nice having a single player that can break a press for sure, and that has been a problem when we've had more combo guards only available. But we don't need a single distributor-type, because he likes everybody to be involved in that. In fact, I'd argue that having a 4-5 that can pass very well is the most critical in his system ... we certainly saw that with Gulich. Any player that can draw a lot of attention and pass well is going to make an offense go. This is the area I hope we see develop the most with Jones moving forward. Meanwhile, I'd argue that Destiny's skills have been underutilized, because she's very effective with the ball in her hands, but Rueck doesn't like the ball to stop moving in his offense.
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Post by beaveroracle on Mar 31, 2020 12:58:59 GMT -8
LOL... so PT and a huge roster of talented recruits/commits doesn't matter to where a kid signs? Really? Furd has about 15 "long term, high priorities" every year and get 3-4+. They already have solid interest in 5 of the top 8 for 2022. You must be a mind reader or you had a personal conservation with her on the topic of her college choice to know that PT was THE overriding, most influential, critical factor in her decision to pick OSU over Stanford. Not buying it. You virtually dismiss all else. For all we know she had a list of 5, 10 or even 15 factors that she weighed carefully in her decision. Academics? Nadda, she picked a "lesser" school over Stanford (well, as you say, where one gets a degree is not so important). Coaching? No. Not discussed by you...must not as important as PT. Family atmosphere? (This IS a prime reason she gives for her choice of OSU...but you ignore this...because, after all, it was PT that was the most important thing, right?) Location? No, not discussed by you...(well, this can't begin to compare to PT). Friendships? No. She couldn't possibly weigh this higher, than say, PT now could she?). Chances of winning championships? Stanford vs. Oregon State? Well, chances are better at Stanford...yet she chose OSU...Odd, must not be an overriding factor, not like, say PT. There may have been other factors on her list as well. SO, YOUR CONCLUSION: OSU did not win a recruiting battle against Stanford because PT played such a huge role, as you profess to know, with no uncertainty. In other words, we really can't credit OSU with a recruiting win so long as PT is the story. I do have an indirect personal connection and I can tell you that it was a variety of factors most certainly including the relationship with the coaches, the other players, the team's opportunity to compete for national championships, relationship with Sasha, and more. Playing time may have been a factor but she is a great player and confident of getting playing time where ever she goes. The combination of Sasha's and Greta's commitments also substantially enhances our chances of landing Payton V. and Talia O. They are all friends. I think we are in the driver's seat for both of them.
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 31, 2020 13:05:19 GMT -8
Got a question: why is Corvallis, facilities, etc.. Used as excuses as to why we can't recruit top tier football and men's basketball players but seemingly have no problem recruiting top tier women's basketball players with the same town and facilities?
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Post by bvrbooster on Mar 31, 2020 13:24:06 GMT -8
You must be a mind reader or you had a personal conservation with her on the topic of her college choice to know that PT was THE overriding, most influential, critical factor in her decision to pick OSU over Stanford. Not buying it. You virtually dismiss all else. For all we know she had a list of 5, 10 or even 15 factors that she weighed carefully in her decision. Academics? Nadda, she picked a "lesser" school over Stanford (well, as you say, where one gets a degree is not so important). Coaching? No. Not discussed by you...must not as important as PT. Family atmosphere? (This IS a prime reason she gives for her choice of OSU...but you ignore this...because, after all, it was PT that was the most important thing, right?) Location? No, not discussed by you...(well, this can't begin to compare to PT). Friendships? No. She couldn't possibly weigh this higher, than say, PT now could she?). Chances of winning championships? Stanford vs. Oregon State? Well, chances are better at Stanford...yet she chose OSU...Odd, must not be an overriding factor, not like, say PT. There may have been other factors on her list as well. SO, YOUR CONCLUSION: OSU did not win a recruiting battle against Stanford because PT played such a huge role, as you profess to know, with no uncertainty. In other words, we really can't credit OSU with a recruiting win so long as PT is the story. Blah blah blah... you have a real issue with over interpretation! Lol Almost all of your post is complete BS. Do really no point in going thru it step by step. But glad you had a chance to vent! Lol OOH, NewDuke, you've been double "Lol'ed" by the king of the Lol - triple, actually, if one counts the previous email. A double Lol is a truly terrifying thing, kind of like double secret probation. Life as you have known it will never again be the same for you. As one who has also been Lol'ed, I share your pain. With respect to Greta, my guess is that, like so many others before her, she just went where her heart wanted her to go. That normally seems to work out well in the short term (4 years), and, 20 years later, no regrets about the decision. Hopefully, that will be the case for her. Why did her heart say OSU rather than Stanford? Don't know, don't care; just glad it did. Not sure if anybody's mentioned it yet, but that's 5 consecutive American recruits over 3 years from well outside the western states - Kansas and Texas, Arkansas and Georgia, and now Illinois. (Not counting Mannon since she's a walk on.) Just one more indicator that we're on the national stage.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 31, 2020 13:25:41 GMT -8
Very true. Rueck has used actual combo guards at the point quite successfully, but a true, quick point sure solves some related problems. Honestly, I'm not sure Rueck's system really need a true PG. He demands all players be good passers. It's nice having a single player that can break a press for sure, and that has been a problem when we've had more combo guards only available. But we don't need a single distributor-type, because he likes everybody to be involved in that. In fact, I'd argue that having a 4-5 that can pass very well is the most critical in his system ... we certainly saw that with Gulich. Any player that can draw a lot of attention and pass well is going to make an offense go. This is the area I hope we see develop the most with Jones moving forward. Meanwhile, I'd argue that Destiny's skills have been underutilized, because she's very effective with the ball in her hands, but Rueck doesn't like the ball to stop moving in his offense. I think speaking offensively you're right. But, defensively OSU doesn't fair well vs that type. We have no shut down quick guard that could be called a stopper on that end. While his system may not need it, I believe it would enhance it on both ends of the floor. Although those types at the elite level are few and far between.
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Post by beaveragain on Mar 31, 2020 13:36:04 GMT -8
Greta does remind me of Mik in that she seems willing to shoot from wherever and can drive just fine. She also seems able to bang in there for the rebounds and is a good passer. How quickly she adjusts to the speed of the college game and how much of Mik's grit she was only time will tell. But for now I'm happy that Greta will be coming to OSU and we will get to see how she progresses.
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 31, 2020 15:39:40 GMT -8
Excitedly looking to the future if we had a group of wing players in Goforth,Samuel,Kampschroeder,Velhurst,and Von Olhoffen. So much versatility and talent. Scott is an elite closer...this isn't out of the question for osu wbb.
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Post by rmancarl on Mar 31, 2020 18:13:22 GMT -8
I'm not going to get in to all the reasons Greta chose Oregon State, because I'm sure there were many reasons that went into it. I'm also not going to say anything about other schools, or what role Greta or any other recruit in this class will play. I can only tell you that Greta's Dad told me that the 'family' atmosphere, and the support from the fans played a big role in her decision.
Were those the only reasons? Of course not. I just wanted everyone to know that Greta is the type of person that values family and the support of the fans, and our fans should be proud that they are highly thought of by recruits that have the opportunity to experience Beaver game day, and/or see videos of games and video productions by OSU staff.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 31, 2020 19:49:45 GMT -8
I guess if she's coming here, we beat out everybody. Not just Stanford and Iowa.
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Post by newduke2 on Mar 31, 2020 20:10:07 GMT -8
OK, I found a surprising comment on Stanford's "CardBoard" about Greta's choice of OSU (no. 2 below) -
1. mbdude Wrote: Kampschroeder played on USA 3x3 team with Sasha Goforth who previously committed to OSU - sure that influenced her decision
2. shifa Wrote: Which why I was surprised as Goforth (signed) is also friends/played with or against with Taylor Jones who one of multiple players unhappy at OSU. Maybe recruits are completely unaware of team issues until later/upon arrival and all is painted as one big happy family?
3. 2006alum Wrote: Count me among the unaware. Is this a really recent development? I don't think OSU has had even a single transfer-out in the past few seasons? Given how common that's become, I'd say that's the best objective metric of team happiness. But if you know more, please enlighten.
----I think it's pure B.S. Probably just a troll trying to stir the pot.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Mar 31, 2020 20:24:33 GMT -8
OK, I found a surprising comment on Stanford's "CardBoard" about Greta's choice of OSU (no. 2 below) - 1. mbdude Wrote: Kampschroeder played on USA 3x3 team with Sasha Goforth who previously committed to OSU - sure that influenced her decision 2. shifa Wrote: Which why I was surprised as Goforth (signed) is also friends/played with or against with Taylor Jones who one of multiple players unhappy at OSU. Maybe recruits are completely unaware of team issues until later/upon arrival and all is painted as one big happy family? 3. 2006alum Wrote: Count me among the unaware. Is this a really recent development? I don't think OSU has had even a single transfer-out in the past few seasons? Given how common that's become, I'd say that's the best objective metric of team happiness. But if you know more, please enlighten. ----I think it's pure B.S. Probably just a troll trying to stir the pot. Whiner We have had a couple transfer out. Taylor Kalmer, Bre Brown, Green (didn't play much) before that. That's just that last five years or so.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 31, 2020 20:30:46 GMT -8
OK, I found a surprising comment on Stanford's "CardBoard" about Greta's choice of OSU (no. 2 below) - 1. mbdude Wrote: Kampschroeder played on USA 3x3 team with Sasha Goforth who previously committed to OSU - sure that influenced her decision 2. shifa Wrote: Which why I was surprised as Goforth (signed) is also friends/played with or against with Taylor Jones who one of multiple players unhappy at OSU. Maybe recruits are completely unaware of team issues until later/upon arrival and all is painted as one big happy family? 3. 2006alum Wrote: Count me among the unaware. Is this a really recent development? I don't think OSU has had even a single transfer-out in the past few seasons? Given how common that's become, I'd say that's the best objective metric of team happiness. But if you know more, please enlighten. ----I think it's pure B.S. Probably just a troll trying to stir the pot. Posters on team sites go with any rumor or innuendo they find. But OSU has had transfers and players leave over the past few seasons. Not like we're immune to that for whatever reason. But, how is posting that "BS" in a Furd board stirring the pot? You reposting it here will indeed do that. Does that make you a/the troll? 🤔
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Post by rmancarl on Mar 31, 2020 21:15:06 GMT -8
Not much to talk about here. That person is incorrect.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Mar 31, 2020 21:29:18 GMT -8
The same poster also questioned earlier whether or not Kampschroeder held a Stanford offer, but they since deleted the post. They also registered today, and have only talked negatively about OSU. If anyone needs any help putting the pieces together...
Also, OSU has had two players transfer out, and one was because OSU did not have their grad program over the past few years. In today's era, that is pretty much immune.
Jones has repeatedly posted on social media over the past few weeks how much she misses it. She is very happy at OSU!
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 31, 2020 21:31:25 GMT -8
The Bre Brown transfer was the only one that seemed mysterious, and when she was interviewed this season during a half-time show, she didn't have anything bad to say and at least hinted that the decision didn't work out the way she thought it would.
But in general, I'd say that Rueck's staff have been really, really good at keeping players around, almost to a fault.
And to the Stanford fan, may be help make playing at Maples not feel like a morgue, and you'd give players at least one less reason to consider elsewhere.
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