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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 24, 2019 15:14:03 GMT -8
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Post by bill82 on Sept 25, 2019 4:00:34 GMT -8
The closing to the article made me spit out my morning coffee. Twice.
"Even if the Beavs don’t get back to the Big Dance – and even if Tres Tinkle doesn’t bring home that Player of the Year trophy – fans of the team should still be able to sit back and enjoy the final season watching their beloved father-son duo.
Wayne and Tres have helped the Beavers regain respectability on the national scene after a long stretch as a laughingstock. That kind of legacy doesn’t go away quickly. Still, you can bet that the Tinkles (and their competitive spirit) and the rest of the Oregon State team won’t be resting on their laurels in 2019-20."
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 25, 2019 12:02:45 GMT -8
The closing to the article made me spit out my morning coffee. Twice. "Even if the Beavs don’t get back to the Big Dance – and even if Tres Tinkle doesn’t bring home that Player of the Year trophy – fans of the team should still be able to sit back and enjoy the final season watching their beloved father-son duo.
Wayne and Tres have helped the Beavers regain respectability on the national scene after a long stretch as a laughingstock. That kind of legacy doesn’t go away quickly. Still, you can bet that the Tinkles (and their competitive spirit) and the rest of the Oregon State team won’t be resting on their laurels in 2019-20."
Oh my... family member or close friend write that?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 25, 2019 12:06:36 GMT -8
Apparently not either of you.
The guy did lay it on pretty heavy, but the Beavers are playing better than they have in years and Tres is one of the better players to have come through the program.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 13:08:22 GMT -8
The closing to the article made me spit out my morning coffee. Twice. "Even if the Beavs don’t get back to the Big Dance – and even if Tres Tinkle doesn’t bring home that Player of the Year trophy – fans of the team should still be able to sit back and enjoy the final season watching their beloved father-son duo.
Wayne and Tres have helped the Beavers regain respectability on the national scene after a long stretch as a laughingstock. That kind of legacy doesn’t go away quickly. Still, you can bet that the Tinkles (and their competitive spirit) and the rest of the Oregon State team won’t be resting on their laurels in 2019-20."
Oh my... family member or close friend write that? College Basketball preview by Hallmark?
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Post by rafer on Sept 25, 2019 15:55:23 GMT -8
The closing to the article made me spit out my morning coffee. Twice. "Even if the Beavs don’t get back to the Big Dance – and even if Tres Tinkle doesn’t bring home that Player of the Year trophy – fans of the team should still be able to sit back and enjoy the final season watching their beloved father-son duo.
Wayne and Tres have helped the Beavers regain respectability on the national scene after a long stretch as a laughingstock. That kind of legacy doesn’t go away quickly. Still, you can bet that the Tinkles (and their competitive spirit) and the rest of the Oregon State team won’t be resting on their laurels in 2019-20."
Oh my... family member or close friend write that? It's a little flowery, so what. What do you find offensive about it?? It's positive, I think that's ok, right?
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Sept 26, 2019 17:17:23 GMT -8
I don't see much to complain about with this preview. I think it's pretty accurate in that this year's team may be a tough one to figure out. His prediction of 18-13 (9-9) isn't too unreasonable and is probably about what I'd peg this team at coming into the season. There will be chances to steal some wins and up both our non-conference and conference records, and there will also be games the guys could slip up and head towards the .500 mark or a sub .500 conference record. Either way it should be a somewhat entertaining season with a competitive, and quite possibly frustrating, team.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 26, 2019 17:25:03 GMT -8
I think the out of league schedule could be really telling. If the team somehow comes out unscathed, it could be a really good year. There are definitely 4-5 games that could likely be losses and make the article's predicted finish look very realistic.
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Post by obf on Oct 14, 2019 11:08:57 GMT -8
The closing to the article made me spit out my morning coffee. Twice. "Even if the Beavs don’t get back to the Big Dance – and even if Tres Tinkle doesn’t bring home that Player of the Year trophy – fans of the team should still be able to sit back and enjoy the final season watching their beloved father-son duo.
Wayne and Tres have helped the Beavers regain respectability on the national scene after a long stretch as a laughingstock. That kind of legacy doesn’t go away quickly. Still, you can bet that the Tinkles (and their competitive spirit) and the rest of the Oregon State team won’t be resting on their laurels in 2019-20."
So what part made you guffaw??? The part where and OUTSIDE OBSERVER said that his impression of Beaver Basketball went from laughing stock to respectable? Whether it is earned, or true, or good enough for the hard core fans, or if CR got a bad rap, or if we are all just racists with daddy issues and can't see past the hallmark card qualities of the Tinkes, or if you know more about basketball and can see past it all, does it matter?? What could possibly be bad or wrong about a media member outside of Oregon thinking Wayne has taken the Beavs from laughing stick to respectable?
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Post by bill82 on Oct 16, 2019 10:31:14 GMT -8
The closing to the article made me spit out my morning coffee. Twice. "Even if the Beavs don’t get back to the Big Dance – and even if Tres Tinkle doesn’t bring home that Player of the Year trophy – fans of the team should still be able to sit back and enjoy the final season watching their beloved father-son duo.
Wayne and Tres have helped the Beavers regain respectability on the national scene after a long stretch as a laughingstock. That kind of legacy doesn’t go away quickly. Still, you can bet that the Tinkles (and their competitive spirit) and the rest of the Oregon State team won’t be resting on their laurels in 2019-20."
So what part made you guffaw??? The part where and OUTSIDE OBSERVER said that his impression of Beaver Basketball went from laughing stock to respectable? Whether it is earned, or true, or good enough for the hard core fans, or if CR got a bad rap, or if we are all just racists with daddy issues and can't see past the hallmark card qualities of the Tinkes, or if you know more about basketball and can see past it all, does it matter?? What could possibly be bad or wrong about a media member outside of Oregon thinking Wayne has taken the Beavs from laughing stick to respectable? beloved legacy laurels Not necessarily in that order.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Oct 16, 2019 13:13:52 GMT -8
I will confess to occasionally feeling like an ingrate about WT - he checks all the boxes for appearing to care for his players (note, I am on the outside as an observer, so I will say "appearing to" without meaning anything negative), the players stay out of trouble, are academic standouts, he is articulate and well-spoken, etc. etc. He also has won at a rate equal to or better than his predecessors going back to Ralph (long debates on this board notwithstanding, nor relevant to my main point). But I too take umbrage (with bill82) at the "beloved", "legacy" and "laurels" bits of the writeup. What is missing for me is the appearance of a coherent and obvious "system", on court leadership and leadership development, what appears to me as different standards for coaches sons, and the maddeningly obvious results of poor discipline and fundamentals (I can casually think of more than one game last year that we win if some of our seniors or juniors simply blocked out on a rebound). What I am having difficulty reconciling is a coach who is by all appearances really good, but the product on the court is not, and the issues I have with the product on the court are fundamentals and discipline issues, not subtle nuanced things.....I get that we are not necessarily going to win every game, or even the majority of them, its how we are losing them that bugs me. And you could say "hmmmm, sounds like a personal problem that you are of the opinion we are not steeped in fundamentals...". And perhaps you would be right. But where this starts mattering to OSU is when fans like me with the wherewithal (dollars and location) to attend and passion around the Beavers start to tune out or take a "wait and see" attitude, we start down a slippery slope. And I have detected, on this board and the football board, much "wait and see" sentiment, and therein lies the problem for the athletic department. And this sentiment is being generated in part with the disconnect between the coach on the sideline and the product on the floor, which would suggest that the coach has something to do with the issue...... Go Beavers!
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 16, 2019 13:25:48 GMT -8
I will confess to occasionally feeling like an ingrate about WT - he checks all the boxes for appearing to care for his players (note, I am on the outside as an observer, so I will say "appearing to" without meaning anything negative), the players stay out of trouble, are academic standouts, he is articulate and well-spoken, etc. etc. He also has won at a rate equal to or better than his predecessors going back to Ralph (long debates on this board notwithstanding, nor relevant to my main point). But I too take umbrage (with bill82) at the "beloved", "legacy" and "laurels" bits of the writeup. What is missing for me is the appearance of a coherent and obvious "system", on court leadership and leadership development, what appears to me as different standards for coaches sons, and the maddeningly obvious results of poor discipline and fundamentals (I can casually think of more than one game last year that we win if some of our seniors or juniors simply blocked out on a rebound). What I am having difficulty reconciling is a coach who is by all appearances really good, but the product on the court is not, and the issues I have with the product on the court are fundamentals and discipline issues, not subtle nuanced things.....I get that we are not necessarily going to win every game, or even the majority of them, its how we are losing them that bugs me. And you could say "hmmmm, sounds like a personal problem that you are of the opinion we are not steeped in fundamentals...". And perhaps you would be right. But where this starts mattering to OSU is when fans like me with the wherewithal (dollars and location) to attend and passion around the Beavers start to tune out or take a "wait and see" attitude, we start down a slippery slope. And I have detected, on this board and the football board, much "wait and see" sentiment, and therein lies the problem for the athletic department. And this sentiment is being generated in part with the disconnect between the coach on the sideline and the product on the floor, which would suggest that the coach has something to do with the issue...... Go Beavers! Excellently put... great "manager/administrator" of young men... but, the coaching x's and o's of what is seen on the court doesn't match.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 16, 2019 13:51:43 GMT -8
My hope is he has an actual point guard this year. I thought the offense did better when Antoine was in. Perhaps with a true point guard the offense would look more like it had a plan and some leadership.
I'm not trying to knock the Thompson kids, who've been running the point the last few years, I think they are both better fits for the two spot.
I'm hoping Antoine, or Gianni IF he's actually better, get the bulk of the time at the point. It seems to me for a long time we've had a lot of "tweeners" on the roster for years now, power forwards playing center, small forwards playing the 4 spot, big off guards playing small forward, off guards playing point. This year's roster looks to me like they could actually play everyone at what would appear to be their natural position for a change.
I defend Tinkle a lot, but one of my long term complaints about Tinkle so far has been the lack of a cohesive offense, but it has been getting ever so slowly somewhat better the last two years. The first three years it was burn the clock until there were 5-7 seconds left then 1 or zero passes later shoot it. At least they've been running some obvious pays part time the last two seasons, although they've reverted to the slow the play down then shoot tactic a lot still. I think a solid point guard could make a big difference here. Hopefully we've got one.
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Post by bill82 on Oct 16, 2019 14:42:56 GMT -8
I will confess to occasionally feeling like an ingrate about WT - he checks all the boxes for appearing to care for his players (note, I am on the outside as an observer, so I will say "appearing to" without meaning anything negative), the players stay out of trouble, are academic standouts, he is articulate and well-spoken, etc. etc. He also has won at a rate equal to or better than his predecessors going back to Ralph (long debates on this board notwithstanding, nor relevant to my main point). But I too take umbrage (with bill82 ) at the "beloved", "legacy" and "laurels" bits of the writeup. What is missing for me is the appearance of a coherent and obvious "system", on court leadership and leadership development, what appears to me as different standards for coaches sons, and the maddeningly obvious results of poor discipline and fundamentals (I can casually think of more than one game last year that we win if some of our seniors or juniors simply blocked out on a rebound). What I am having difficulty reconciling is a coach who is by all appearances really good, but the product on the court is not, and the issues I have with the product on the court are fundamentals and discipline issues, not subtle nuanced things.....I get that we are not necessarily going to win every game, or even the majority of them, its how we are losing them that bugs me. And you could say "hmmmm, sounds like a personal problem that you are of the opinion we are not steeped in fundamentals...". And perhaps you would be right. But where this starts mattering to OSU is when fans like me with the wherewithal (dollars and location) to attend and passion around the Beavers start to tune out or take a "wait and see" attitude, we start down a slippery slope. And I have detected, on this board and the football board, much "wait and see" sentiment, and therein lies the problem for the athletic department. And this sentiment is being generated in part with the disconnect between the coach on the sideline and the product on the floor, which would suggest that the coach has something to do with the issue...... Go Beavers! Excellently put... great "manager/administrator" of young men... but, the coaching x's and o's of what is seen on the court doesn't match. I'm not convinced he is necessarily great for the students on all fronts. I'm still bothered by how he handled Reid's tripping of the referee. I thought for sure Reid would be off the team after that incident. Instead, he missed just four games and no practices. I played club soccer at OSU and follow the sport as a fan, so I draw from that experience. Verbal threats against a ref get you a three month suspension. Touching a ref's jersey can get you a six month suspension, and tripping a ref gets you a year out of the sport.
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Post by bill82 on Mar 1, 2020 7:01:18 GMT -8
I know the season is not over, but just checking back to see if everyone felt this way during the season so far....
"Even if the Beavs don’t get back to the Big Dance – and even if Tres Tinkle doesn’t bring home that Player of the Year trophy – fans of the team should still be able to sit back and enjoy the final season watching their beloved father-son duo."
Seriously though, one of the worst pre-season lines I've ever read for any team in any sport.
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