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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 3, 2020 18:27:30 GMT -8
Wow do you realize the pre conference schedule was one of the easiest in the Country. The question should be- Does playing these cupcake teams help get the team ready for PAC 12 Conference Scheduled? I'm pretty sure a couple of those "cupcakes" were coming off of recent tournaments and expected to do better. The schedule strength can cange between the day games are scheduled and the day they're played. I'm not sure which you are talking? Coming off tournaments most likely means losses of key players... which in two specific cases happened. They two biggest draws to some here were never picked much above the middle of their conferences... to the lower levels. We were expected to do better even with that 10-2 start... so there's that.
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Post by stonecrest1 on Mar 3, 2020 19:05:43 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure a couple of those "cupcakes" were coming off of recent tournaments and expected to do better. The schedule strength can cange between the day games are scheduled and the day they're played. I'm not sure which you are talking? Coming off tournaments most likely means losses of key players... which in two specific cases happened. They two biggest draws to some here were never picked much above the middle of their conferences... to the lower levels. We were expected to do better even with that 10-2 start... so there's that. Non Conference SOS was listed... OSU is at 330+
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 3, 2020 19:22:58 GMT -8
I'm not sure which you are talking? Coming off tournaments most likely means losses of key players... which in two specific cases happened. They two biggest draws to some here were never picked much above the middle of their conferences... to the lower levels. We were expected to do better even with that 10-2 start... so there's that. Non Conference SOS was listed... OSU is at 330+ I'm trying to figure out what you are talking about. The article at the start of this thread said the non-conference schedule was much more difficult than in the past. It didn't turn out to be that way. You are jumping on me for a comment I made in September before play started. No way were we at 330+ then. Things change over the course of a season.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 3, 2020 19:25:14 GMT -8
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 3, 2020 19:48:19 GMT -8
I'm trying to figure out what you are talking about. The article at the start of this thread said the non-conference schedule was much more difficult than in the past. It didn't turn out to be that way. It didn't turn out to be that way. You are jumping on me for a comment I made in September before play started. No way were we at 330+ then. Things change over the course of a season. Stone is 3 posts in... he'll figure out the sequencing and quote function. But, I hear you. Though even at its prime there was a lot of tough competition, and that's ok IF... you use it to develop quality minutes for those positions that will be crucial in Pac12 play. I was seriously hopeful that ET would be a 2 where I thought he had some big advantages in Pac12 play... not guarding PGs and being able to take others off the dribble or from distance. But, those 12 games were literally wasted in the time committed to creating a PG (or PG depth) not only with confidence, but the team confidence in them, before Pac12 play began. That and not finding a real serviceable BIG (maybe no one wanted to show here with the likes of Silva's late arrival?) as Dastrup never, EVER looked the part of a Pac12 player. I'm not sure he survives a rough pick up game at Dixon!?
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Mar 3, 2020 20:15:10 GMT -8
Looked up ZR’s conference averages just now to make sure I wasn't exaggerating: 29 minutes 7.7 pts 2.8 reb 1.7 ast .5 steals/zero blocks 40.9% FG 36.5% 3’s Just not sure how any objective person would find those numbers as productive and worthy of being a full time starter. This from someone who’s not a particular effective or versatile defender either. His numbers last year were much worse, so it’s good he’s improving. Not good that he’s starting though Per 40 minutes: Reichle: 10.6 points 3.8 rebounds 2.3 assists 2.3 steals 2.0 turnovers 2.8 fouls Hunt: 8.1 points 3.6 rebounds 2.5 assists 1.4 steals 2.7 turnovers 5.6 fouls Vernon: 5.3 points 3.9 rebounds 3.9 assists 1.1 steals 0.7 turnovers 4.6 fouls Hunt's turnovers and fouls really stand out, way too many fouls, and the number of turnovers does not really fit into the offensive game plan. Vernon fouls too often, as well, and is not as sound defensively. Reichle is scoring at twice the rate of Vernon, and Vernon's other offensive statistics do not outweigh Reichle's points advantage. And Reichle's better defense helps to offset any perceived deficit on offense. Well let ZR get completely inconsistent playing time game to game and sit LONG periods of time and THEN see how much worse his numbers are. On the contrary, give Vernon or Hunt CONSISTENT playing time and see how their numbers improve. A fairly one dimensional ‘scorer’ only getting about 10 points for ever 40 minutes just isn’t good at all. And in what way have you seen him as a good defender? Maybe against fellow slow small forwards? I’m just asking because I can’t remember anyone on here ever thinking he did much for us on D.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 3, 2020 20:56:15 GMT -8
Per 40 minutes: Reichle: 10.6 points 3.8 rebounds 2.3 assists 2.3 steals 2.0 turnovers 2.8 fouls Hunt: 8.1 points 3.6 rebounds 2.5 assists 1.4 steals 2.7 turnovers 5.6 fouls Vernon: 5.3 points 3.9 rebounds 3.9 assists 1.1 steals 0.7 turnovers 4.6 fouls Hunt's turnovers and fouls really stand out, way too many fouls, and the number of turnovers does not really fit into the offensive game plan. Vernon fouls too often, as well, and is not as sound defensively. Reichle is scoring at twice the rate of Vernon, and Vernon's other offensive statistics do not outweigh Reichle's points advantage. And Reichle's better defense helps to offset any perceived deficit on offense. Well let ZR get completely inconsistent playing time game to game and sit LONG periods of time and THEN see how much worse his numbers are. On the contrary, give Vernon or Hunt CONSISTENT playing time and see how their numbers improve. A fairly one dimensional ‘scorer’ only getting about 10 points for ever 40 minutes just isn’t good at all. And in what way have you seen him as a good defender? Maybe against fellow slow small forwards? I’m just asking because I can’t remember anyone on here ever thinking he did much for us on D. ZR has shown good hustle, and he has a good head for defense. He is a minus defender, but, from what I have seen, Hunt and Vernon are minus minus defenders. Hunt and Vernon may show something down the line, but, from what I have seen, their playing time is currently commensurate with their ability. Oregon State is still hampered by the lack of a 4. There is insufficient depth in 5s to make up for the lack of a 4. Neither of the 1s can play anything approaching consistent defense.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Mar 3, 2020 21:03:42 GMT -8
That’s a good point. A power forward does seem to be lacking. If Dastrup would just lay off of the twinkies lol.....
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Post by seastape on Mar 4, 2020 0:18:09 GMT -8
I'm trying to figure out what you are talking about. The article at the start of this thread said the non-conference schedule was much more difficult than in the past. It didn't turn out to be that way. It didn't turn out to be that way. You are jumping on me for a comment I made in September before play started. No way were we at 330+ then. Things change over the course of a season. Stone is 3 posts in... he'll figure out the sequencing and quote function. But, I hear you. Though even at its prime there was a lot of tough competition, and that's ok IF... you use it to develop quality minutes for those positions that will be crucial in Pac12 play. I was seriously hopeful that ET would be a 2 where I thought he had some big advantages in Pac12 play... not guarding PGs and being able to take others off the dribble or from distance. But, those 12 games were literally wasted in the time committed to creating a PG (or PG depth) not only with confidence, but the team confidence in them, before Pac12 play began. That and not finding a real serviceable BIG (maybe no one wanted to show here with the likes of Silva's late arrival?) as Dastrup never, EVER looked the part of a Pac12 player. I'm not sure he survives a rough pick up game at Dixon!? Agreed on many things here...but if I had to pick one, and only one, area in which Coach Tinkle has been a consistent failure over his tenure here is his inability to substitute and thus develop back ups.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 4, 2020 9:18:45 GMT -8
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 4, 2020 10:10:58 GMT -8
That’s a good point. A power forward does seem to be lacking. If Dastrup would just lay off of the twinkies lol..... He has been very disappointing this year. He has some skills, but he's in worse shape than some of the guys I play city league with.
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 4, 2020 10:18:36 GMT -8
Dastrup is basically stealing money by getting a scholarship.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 4, 2020 11:09:13 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 4, 2020 12:52:43 GMT -8
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 4, 2020 13:00:01 GMT -8
All that stuff is nice to look at and toy with, but as asked here recently, what are the numbers that actually matter? Unfortunately for Beaver men's hoops fans they have not been good for quite a while. And, in the next 30 years I would love to see MBB, WBB, baseball, wrestling, FB, SB, gymnastics to all have consistent winning seasons with regular postseason invites. I WANT it to be even more so for sports that draw OSU the most $$ and positive attention/student athletes... FB, MBB, WBB, baseball, SB... everything else will benefit from their successes, especially of the first 3!
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