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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 9, 2019 18:23:39 GMT -8
My first post in this thread was just the facts. Now I'll share my opinions... I don't want to watch any football game on my phone, let alone one I really care about. I don't have nor do I want to have a modern tablet. I have satellite TV because it's more reliable than my internet at home. I subscribe to channels that give me the best chance of watching the Beaver football games. I watch football games on my DVR when I can. Even if I've seen it live. I WANT the games on my DVR. My laptop at home is not a reliable streaming option. For people who only knew that the game was "on Facebook", going to Facebook and using their search led you to a pirated/scammer feed. As of right now, I would not be in favor of "televised" Beaver games being done via Facebook. I don't have the proper technology at home and the game does not end up on my DVR (and I'm 99.9999% sure will not be available even as a "Pac-12 in 60" replay). With a choice between televised and Facebook I'd take televised over Facebook any day. I am assuming Facebook doesn't pay, or pay much, for this service. If anything, Facebook did us fans a service by making an unavailable game available. If the league could make a deal with Facebook to delay carry all of our games without jeopardizing TV contracts and revenues, I'd be all for it. It could put the games in front of peoplewho otherwise wouldn't watch them.⁹ We can gripe all we want, but Facebook was not the bad guy for providing this game to those who chose to jump through a few minimal hoops to view it. 15-30k feeds/users (not people, probably way more people) who otherwise couldn't watch it got to see it.
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Post by obf on Sept 9, 2019 18:56:26 GMT -8
My first post in this thread was just the facts. Now I'll share my opinions... I don't want to watch any football game on my phone, let alone one I really care about. I don't have nor do I want to have a modern tablet. I have satellite TV because it's more reliable than my internet at home. I subscribe to channels that give me the best chance of watching the Beaver football games. I watch football games on my DVR when I can. Even if I've seen it live. I WANT the games on my DVR. My laptop at home is not a reliable streaming option. For people who only knew that the game was "on Facebook", going to Facebook and using their search led you to a pirated/scammer feed. As of right now, I would not be in favor of "televised" Beaver games being done via Facebook. I don't have the proper technology at home and the game does not end up on my DVR (and I'm 99.9999% sure will not be available even as a "Pac-12 in 60" replay). You clearly have put time, effort and money into being able to get beaver games on your TV. As technology and innovation continues to push us towards streaming as a way of life and ala carte content is the new purchasing model, and away from traditional markets, you will change your set up and, IMHO, be happier for it in the end. Just like Tivo for live TV, there is already some software only solutions for "Tivoing" live streams, they aren't great yet, but someone will perfect it, make money off it, and people will use that or force the providers to provide a DVR like media player (just like Tivo forced Cables hand). People don't like change, it messes with their routines and thier comforts, but, this change at least will settle in quickly and people will love once they get past the hatred for Facebook. I suspect Hulu (we have live sports!) will be the company that brings it to the fore.
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Post by obf on Sept 9, 2019 18:58:27 GMT -8
I am just wondering too, the video stream peaked out at around 25,000? Would like to see normal tv ratings for a televised Beaver game, especially one expected to be competitive. Found that viewership for Oregon State vs USC was 420,000 last season, and the Civil War drew 940,000. While those numbers may be 100% accurate (although TV viewership numbers are notoriously shaky). This is not a fair comparison. Conference games against a priemer team or the big in state rival in prime time is a watermelon to a late late late game against Hawaii for a team projected to win 1 game total's raisin.
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Post by caladin on Sept 9, 2019 19:59:55 GMT -8
You do not have the option I used in your poll. I cast from Chrome on my laptop to the Chromecast hooked to my TV. The Chromecast then took over and made its own connection. I turned off my laptop and it worked fine. Great signal all game long. I got this setup for watching the baseball games this year that were only shown on Facebook. I am surprised by all the football fans that apparently do not watch our national champion beaver baseball team every chance they get. I was able to watch practically all the baseball games this season between Facebook, Pac-12 Streaming or TV.
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Post by mbabeav on Sept 9, 2019 20:29:02 GMT -8
You do not have the option I used in your poll. I cast from Chrome on my laptop to the Chromecast hooked to my TV. The Chromecast then took over and made its own connection. I turned off my laptop and it worked fine. Great signal all game long. I got this setup for watching the baseball games this year that were only shown on Facebook. I am surprised by all the football fans that apparently do not watch our national champion beaver baseball team every chance they get. I was able to watch practically all the baseball games this season between Facebook, Pac-12 Streaming or TV. I was in a hotel room without an option to tap into the television, shaky internet, and no place else to go to watch the game. I watch all the Beaver Baseball and was even watching the Corvallis Knights on Facebook feed but this specific feed required software that I did not want to load on my system. I could watch the knights on my tablet with Facebook through my browser, but not the OSU football. I'm in the computer Biz I know all the different methods of connecting to the internet via a wide variety of Hardware but the way this was set up kept me from being able to view the game under my circumstances
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Post by Mike84 on Sept 9, 2019 20:41:39 GMT -8
My first post in this thread was just the facts. Now I'll share my opinions... I don't want to watch any football game on my phone, let alone one I really care about. I don't have nor do I want to have a modern tablet. I have satellite TV because it's more reliable than my internet at home. I subscribe to channels that give me the best chance of watching the Beaver football games. I watch football games on my DVR when I can. Even if I've seen it live. I WANT the games on my DVR. My laptop at home is not a reliable streaming option. For people who only knew that the game was "on Facebook", going to Facebook and using their search led you to a pirated/scammer feed. As of right now, I would not be in favor of "televised" Beaver games being done via Facebook. I don't have the proper technology at home and the game does not end up on my DVR (and I'm 99.9999% sure will not be available even as a "Pac-12 in 60" replay). You clearly have put time, effort and money into being able to get beaver games on your TV. As technology and innovation continues to push us towards streaming as a way of life and ala carte content is the new purchasing model, and away from traditional markets, you will change your set up and, IMHO, be happier for it in the end. Just like Tivo for live TV, there is already some software only solutions for "Tivoing" live streams, they aren't great yet, but someone will perfect it, make money off it, and people will use that or force the providers to provide a DVR like media player (just like Tivo forced Cables hand). People don't like change, it messes with their routines and thier comforts, but, this change at least will settle in quickly and people will love once they get past the hatred for Facebook. I suspect Hulu (we have live sports!) will be the company that brings it to the fore. I may have come across as more of a Luddite about streaming than I actually am. There are just inconveniences *right now* that make Facebook a less-than-desirable option for me and others. When it gets done right then it will be as desirable as any other option. In fact, it will become transparent that it's coming over the Internet from Facebook (or whoever). It is not there yet.
First of all, before we go any further, I have to point out that "streaming" has been around for a lot longer than mobile data, HDMI dongles, and even the Internet has been a factor. The first streaming home media devices were the digital cable set-top boxes and the digital satellite receivers. Both of these were streaming digital data streams and using a device in the home to turn it into something that could be displayed on a screen. Streaming is not new.
I understand why streaming over the Internet has taken over. Prior to this, you had to use cable, satellite, and digital television transmitters to send sport, shows, and movies to the viewers. Now we can utilize the Internet infrastructure to send video from just about anyplace to just about anyplace. Just about everybody has a device of some kind that can receive it and just about everybody has some sort of Internet connection.
It is my opinion, however, that the main reason that video streaming via all the various services like youtube, amazon, netflix, hulu, etc. has grown so rapidly and changed the "TV" landscape is the CONVENIENCE of streaming ON DEMAND. Nobody has to be tied down to a TV schedule. They watch (and binge) what they want when they want.
Live sports, broadcast once live and then gone forever, does not take advantage of this main advantage of today's streaming entertainment. This has to be addressed. A lot of us want our games on DVR (or other easy method of recording and re-viewing).
Also, a lot of people have big screen TVs mostly for watching sports. They didn't get the big screen in order to watch "Stranger Things" season 1. Watching some shows on your phone or tablet doesn't really change the experience. But people want sports on their big screens. Yes, there are ways to do this. But it's not like everybody had/has that at their fingertips. My smart TV is only 4 years old but it does not natively support the Facebook Live app or browsing to the Facebook site. The fact that I *could have* gotten some more technology and gotten it hooked up in order to try to watch this game (live) (one time) on my TV, does not change the fact that it is not my preferred method.
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Post by obf on Sept 10, 2019 6:46:47 GMT -8
You clearly have put time, effort and money into being able to get beaver games on your TV. As technology and innovation continues to push us towards streaming as a way of life and ala carte content is the new purchasing model, and away from traditional markets, you will change your set up and, IMHO, be happier for it in the end. Just like Tivo for live TV, there is already some software only solutions for "Tivoing" live streams, they aren't great yet, but someone will perfect it, make money off it, and people will use that or force the providers to provide a DVR like media player (just like Tivo forced Cables hand). People don't like change, it messes with their routines and thier comforts, but, this change at least will settle in quickly and people will love once they get past the hatred for Facebook. I suspect Hulu (we have live sports!) will be the company that brings it to the fore. I may have come across as more of a Luddite about streaming than I actually am. There are just inconveniences *right now* that make Facebook a less-than-desirable option for me and others. When it gets done right then it will be as desirable as any other option. In fact, it will become transparent that it's coming over the Internet from Facebook (or whoever). It is not there yet.
First of all, before we go any further, I have to point out that "streaming" has been around for a lot longer than mobile data, HDMI dongles, and even the Internet has been a factor. The first streaming home media devices were the digital cable set-top boxes and the digital satellite receivers. Both of these were streaming digital data streams and using a device in the home to turn it into something that could be displayed on a screen. Streaming is not new.
I understand why streaming over the Internet has taken over. Prior to this, you had to use cable, satellite, and digital television transmitters to send sport, shows, and movies to the viewers. Now we can utilize the Internet infrastructure to send video from just about anyplace to just about anyplace. Just about everybody has a device of some kind that can receive it and just about everybody has some sort of Internet connection.
It is my opinion, however, that the main reason that video streaming via all the various services like youtube, amazon, netflix, hulu, etc. has grown so rapidly and changed the "TV" landscape is the CONVENIENCE of streaming ON DEMAND. Nobody has to be tied down to a TV schedule. They watch (and binge) what they want when they want.
Live sports, broadcast once live and then gone forever, does not take advantage of this main advantage of today's streaming entertainment. This has to be addressed. A lot of us want our games on DVR (or other easy method of recording and re-viewing).
Also, a lot of people have big screen TVs mostly for watching sports. They didn't get the big screen in order to watch "Stranger Things" season 1. Watching some shows on your phone or tablet doesn't really change the experience. But people want sports on their big screens. Yes, there are ways to do this. But it's not like everybody had/has that at their fingertips. My smart TV is only 4 years old but it does not natively support the Facebook Live app or browsing to the Facebook site. The fact that I *could have* gotten some more technology and gotten it hooked up in order to try to watch this game (live) (one time) on my TV, does not change the fact that it is not my preferred method.
Totally agree that the technology still has lots of kinks to work out, just like netflix and hulu took years to get their setups correct. Three quick thinkgs... 1.) In terms of "DVR" capability, that is totally missing. The ability to pause, rewind, fastforward the live stream during the live stream. However, one of the neat things about Facebook live is that the live stream immediately becomes a regular posted video on your feed afterwards. So, if you go here ( www.facebook.com/StadiumCollegeFootball/videos/234362120784755/ **TRIGGER WARNING** You need a FB account to click this link **TRIGGER WARNING**), right now you can watch the OSU vs. Hawaii game, in it's entirity, all 4 hours and 15 minutes of it, with (and I think this is cool, many do not) the live commenting coming up as they were during, so you can read the comments as if it was live again, and you can see peoples reactions in the right spots even though it is days later now. What level of subscription to the Pac-12 network would I need to be able to go back and watch the Oklahoma State game again, right now, with built in rewind, pause, fastforward, jump (built in meaning I don't need to re-record a replay of it with my DVR)? Correct me if i am wrong, I haven't had a Pac-12 subscription in a while, but I don't think you can? 2.) I have watched (and paid the ridiculous cable subscription fees) so many Beaver games that were broadcast in "HD", yet on my 50 inch TV couldn't even make out the jersey numbers on zoomed in replays, smh. Maybe for some people on some connections the Hawaii game was poor quality, but, at least for me, it was one of the better quality pictures / video of a Beaver game I have personally gotten in a while. But, I had it drop a couple times, or get pixelated a couple times, in general it was great, but certainly not perfect. There is always room for improvement. Having it be live *should* (granted I am unsure the exact technology FB uses) in theory be just as high quality as Stranger things, so if you can stream Stranger Things in 4K on your 85 inch TV, then you should be able to stream live sports. The winning technology here (IMHO) will be the first live streaming technology that basically comes with a DVR built in. You wont actually be "live", but let the stream buffer up a bit and then play it in full quality. Don't play something that is pixelated or downrated, just play when you have at least several minutes of full images. I mean, that is what Netflix does to get Stranger things to play in that glorious 4K resolution 3.) It's, funny. I have a nice TV and it *IS* hooked up so I could have watched FB live fullscreen on it, but.... I wasn't home! And often when I am someone else is using the TV. Streaming on ones phone or tablet is the way things are going. A family of four with four devices watching four different shows is the way things are going. Maybe that is bad, maybe that is ruining our families, but it is what people want. I was blown away with how awesome it was to have the BEAVER GAME IN MY POCKET as I enjoyed my saturday night doing other things. I saw more of this game than any other away game in recent memory! For me carving out 4 hours for a game is a bigger problem, so being able to carry the game with me was a huge boon. Also, it seems like watching on a dinky phone is a huge down grade, but in the Human Factors world (fancy way of saying UI) resolution and raw pixel count is important, but equally so is viewing distance. Watching your phone from arms length away, can often be a better experince than watching a giant TV screen or projector from across the room (say at Buffalo Wild Wings, which is where I will have to go to watch any away Beaver games NOT on facebook ). In the end, as always, GO BEAVS!
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Post by Mike84 on Sept 10, 2019 7:48:18 GMT -8
1.) In terms of "DVR" capability, that is totally missing. The ability to pause, rewind, fastforward the live stream during the live stream. However, one of the neat things about Facebook live is that the live stream immediately becomes a regular posted video on your feed afterwards. So, if you go here ( www.facebook.com/StadiumCollegeFootball/videos/234362120784755/ **TRIGGER WARNING** You need a FB account to click this link **TRIGGER WARNING**), right now you can watch the OSU vs. Hawaii game, in it's entirity, all 4 hours and 15 minutes of it, with (and I think this is cool, many do not) the live commenting coming up as they were during, so you can read the comments as if it was live again, and you can see peoples reactions in the right spots even though it is days later now. Thank you for that! I had heard that videos would become available afterward but I wasn't sure if it applied to me since I was only able to watch part of it live. Now that I'm somewhere with better connectivity, I can go back and watch the saved version. That's what I wanted.
However, the only reason I know how to access the video is because you posted the exact link here. What am I missing here as far as being able to find legit links to Facebook Live broadcasts/recordings? I don't see it on my feed, but even if I did it would eventually get hard to find. Is there not a legit Facebook page with a list or other searchable way to find a particular game? If I go to *Facebook's* search box and try to type in various things to find the game, I find pages with links to things like "Ncaaf TV" (bad quality stream that doesn't even start at the beginning), with suspiciously obfuscated links to the "live stream", that I'm definitely not clicking on. What is the foolproof way to see what games are available (live and as recordings) from Facebook Live?
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Post by kersting13 on Sept 10, 2019 14:54:42 GMT -8
You do not have the option I used in your poll. I cast from Chrome on my laptop to the Chromecast hooked to my TV. The Chromecast then took over and made its own connection. I turned off my laptop and it worked fine. Great signal all game long. I got this setup for watching the baseball games this year that were only shown on Facebook. I am surprised by all the football fans that apparently do not watch our national champion beaver baseball team every chance they get. I was able to watch practically all the baseball games this season between Facebook, Pac-12 Streaming or TV. I watched a ton of Pac-12 streamed baseball games last year. Didn't need a chromecast or anything to do it. I'd pop it up on the imac in the back room if it was during dinner time, or bring it up through my TV's internet connection otherwise. Easy Peasy.
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