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Post by beaveragain on Aug 30, 2019 10:44:04 GMT -8
On AA, if she is on a medical DNP then a doc has to clear her. If I were advising her I'd tell her to wait until the season was about to start and then see if the doc can clear her. More time means better chance whatever problem is will have cleared up. So my guess is we (and AA a couple days before) won't know until the first game of the season. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Aug 30, 2019 10:50:07 GMT -8
It "appears" that we can assume that AA will never play for the Beavs. Sad deal indeed for the team and really a bummer for her I'm sure. Can the Beavs keep her on scholly AND use that as a hardship to add one more?? I was thinking the same thing today. I went back and watched some old clips and highlights of her, and boy will it be exciting to watch her if she is ever able to play. She just moves and runs the floor so well and her stroke is so smooth and, oh, she’s 6’9. It is so sad that it has come to the point where her name rarely pops up in depth and starting conversations, but of course that is the sensible thing to do until otherwise. I’m still hopeful! And about the 15 schollies - Rueck doesn’t need all 15. |
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Post by 411500 on Aug 30, 2019 11:05:23 GMT -8
Much of my feed was blurry so I will ask: did Kennedy Brown actually bank two 3-point shots today?
To me it looked like it...But not sure....
On more important matters - the game itself...Once again the Italian team was totally gassed in the last 10 minutes of the 2nd half....
I think they were outscored 29 - 6 in the 4th quarter....They had some good perimeter shooters, but they were simply no match for the Beavs conditioning-wise. They made numerous fouls on the dribbler which indicates tiredness, slowness or both...
It was nice to see our Bigs run the floor so well...Brown & Jones were quite impressive (to me) in their full court speed...
Both Jones & Brown were rough around the edges today - but I think everyone agrees that they are both for real and they both can be expected to make major contributions this season....The math majors on the board will soon be calculating whose minutes they are going to take....but it looks obvious that they will both get floor time this season and lots of it....
Jas again looked good - boards well and runs the floor very well....
Thropay looks right at home out there....Not sure what to expect from her....But, at least to me, she looks better now than she ever did previously...
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by ricke71 on Aug 30, 2019 11:21:07 GMT -8
Much of my feed was blurry so I will ask: did Kennedy Brown actually bank two 3 point shots today? To me it looked like it...But not sure.... On more important matters - the game itself...Once again the Italian team was totally gassed in the last 10 minutes of the 2nd half.... I think they were outscored 29 - 6 in the 4th quarter....They had some good perimeter shooters, but they were simply no match for the Beavs conditioning-wise. They made numerous fouls on the dribbler which indicates tiredness, slowness or both... It was nice to see our Bigs run the floor so well...Brown & Jones were quite impressive (to me) in their full court speed... Both Jones & Brown were rough around the edges today - but I think everyone agrees that they are both for real and they both can be expected to make major contributions this season....The math majors on the board will soon be calculating whose minutes they are going to take....but it looks obvious that they will both get floor time this season and lots of it.... Jas again looked good - boards well and runs the floor very well.... Thropay looks right at home out there....Not sure what to expect from her....But, at least to me, she looks better now than she ever did previously... GO BEAVS !! Again about Thropay: Her movements are looking much more like a confident-quickness, as opposed to jittery and uncertain. She has really been a trooper through be Beaver years. Wouldn't it be great if, in 2022 we are wondering which player might make the 'Janessa Leap' ? |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Aug 30, 2019 11:24:43 GMT -8
I’m no math major, but I’m one of the few (probably) who thinks that Jones and Brown will see a lot of their minutes at the 5.
Taya played about 31.5 MPG last year in what was a little bit of a down year shooting-wise. She does a lot of things that are extremely valuable to the team outside of scoring (defense, screens, rebounding, etc.), that will make it hard for Jones and Brown to get many of Taya’s minutes at the 4, especially if she can return her percentages to what they were her freshman year.
The 5 is much more open in terms of what we have there and what minutes are available there. I think a combination of Jones and Brown at the 5 is our best bet, noting the uncertain of Jelena (who I’m pretty sure will be good to go) and Andrea. No, they don’t have the experience, but they have size, athleticism, and skill. To me, their biggest issues were finishing through contact, which is typically a big adjustment at the college level.
Side note: if Jelena is actually anything like the film on her (and film can be deceiving due to the level of competition), she will likely be ahead of Trish on the depth chart and perhaps be an impact player at the 5 as a frosh. Doesn’t quite have Taylor and Kennedy’s athleticism, but she is BIG and strong, but has solid skill.
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Post by wbosh15 on Aug 30, 2019 12:38:35 GMT -8
I’m no math major, but I’m one of the few (probably) who thinks that Jones and Brown will see a lot of their minutes at the 5. Taya played about 31.5 MPG last year in what was a little bit of a down year shooting-wise. She does a lot of things that are extremely valuable to the team outside of scoring (defense, screens, rebounding, etc.), that will make it hard for Jones and Brown to get many of Taya’s minutes at the 4, especially if she can return her percentages to what they were her freshman year. The 5 is much more open in terms of what we have there and what minutes are available there. I think a combination of Jones and Brown at the 5 is our best bet, noting the uncertain of Jelena (who I’m pretty sure will be good to go) and Andrea. No, they don’t have the experience, but they have size, athleticism, and skill. To me, their biggest issues were finishing through contact, which is typically a big adjustment at the college level. Side note: if Jelena is actually anything like the film on her (and film can be deceiving due to the level of competition), she will likely be ahead of Trish on the depth chart and perhaps be an impact player at the 5 as a frosh. Doesn’t quite have Taylor and Kennedy’s athleticism, but she is BIG and strong, but has solid skill. From what I've see so far, and this is without Jelena, I think Jones will end up starting at the 5 once we get to conference play. However, I think the big benefit that will happen for Taya, is they actually will take some of her minutes. I see Kennedy getting her time at back up 4, and letting Taya not have to play 35+ minutes a game against the best competition. I think this will have her MUCH fresher for the tournament, and fresher legs should have her shooting better. This will be very important if the 3/4 court pressure we say so much this trip continues into the season. But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. Go Beavs! |
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Post by rmancarl on Aug 30, 2019 13:43:53 GMT -8
Actually, beaverwbb, if we took a poll, I'm guessing most of us would expect Jones and Brown to get their minutes in the post, Jones in particular, but perhaps I am wrong. Brown may have a bit more options as she has more the skill set to slide to other positions. Jones is very good in the post, but I'm sure she could back up Taya too.
I don't think anybody is trying to do this, but it almost sounds like everyone is writing off Maddie. Maddie has skills, knows the system, and is used to playing with these guards. As much as I like the talent of the newbies, I don't think SR is going to be in a rush to give them Maddie's minutes, especially as a backup to Taya.
I was pretty sure Trish or Maddie would start at center, and that Trish would win the job by conference play....now I'm leaning toward Jones playing a much larger role in the post, and possibly winning that job at some point this season. I'm still looking for a Jelena redshirt, but if she is well enough to play, and good enough to get minutes, then that would be great too.
Coaches are really going to have their work cut out for them dividing up the minutes, and putting players on the floor in the right matchups. Fun speculation on our part, but guessing the breakdown on minutes this season may be tougher than ever for Beaver wbb.
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Post by beavsteve on Aug 30, 2019 14:15:34 GMT -8
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Post by beavsteve on Aug 30, 2019 17:45:33 GMT -8
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Post by nwhoopfan on Aug 30, 2019 17:49:29 GMT -8
Kat might not be ready to play yet, but her air guitar game is on point. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Aug 30, 2019 22:22:16 GMT -8
There are 120 minutes per game available at the 3, 4, and 5 spots. Taya's going to get about 28 of those, and it looks like Andrea is going to get none. Let's assume that Kat is ready very early in the season, so she will also get about 28 of them. That leaves 64 minutes to divide among Maddie, Janessa, Kennedy, Taylor. and Jelena, which averages to 13 each. My guess would be that Janessa sees very few of them, maybe 6 to 8, and Jelena about the same. So now we're down to about 50 minutes.
I'm thinking that Scott will begin by starting Maddie, and she gets about 20 of them, with Kennedy and Taylor getting 15 each. I would expect one, and very possibly both, of them, however, to assert superiority by January, and get more minutes at the expense of Janessa and Maddie. That's just the way it is; they're bigger and better, and the freshmen will come on as the year progresses.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 23:30:45 GMT -8
There are 120 minutes per game available at the 3, 4, and 5 spots. Taya's going to get about 28 of those, and it looks like Andrea is going to get none. Let's assume that Kat is ready very early in the season, so she will also get about 28 of them. That leaves 64 minutes to divide among Maddie, Janessa, Kennedy, Taylor. and Jelena, which averages to 13 each. My guess would be that Janessa sees very few of them, maybe 6 to 8, and Jelena about the same. So now we're down to about 50 minutes. I'm thinking that Scott will begin by starting Maddie, and she gets about 20 of them, with Kennedy and Taylor getting 15 each. I would expect one, and very possibly both, of them, however, to assert superiority by January, and get more minutes at the expense of Janessa and Maddie. That's just the way it is; they're bigger and better, and the freshmen will come on as the year progresses. We have just recruited 2 x 5 star bigs, with another at 6'9" and a Soph at 6'7" we need to get as much game time into them in our pre-season "easy" games and find out who has the goods to go deeper in the season. With Mik in her final season and maybe Destiny we don't have the luxury of experimenting with the post - we need it to work as soon as possible to maximize our chances later in the season. That will mean Taya in 3 spot maybe the 4 and will need to give us some 3's. Maddie should not go near the 5 and pushing the 4 and maybe 3, but i have not seen a lot of outside shooting from her so that puts her in a conundrum. We have to expose the frosh early and heavy and not worry about winning the junk games by 60+ but be happy with a W and time in their legs. When Kat returns she will take minutes from everyone once she is hitting her range. I think our chances of running deep this year rely on our post position dominating, as the tallest team in the competition we have options - we must use them while we have Mik and Des. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Sept 2, 2019 7:25:42 GMT -8
It was interesting to note that incoming freshman Taylor Jones started the fourth and final game in Italy with Maddie Washington coming off the bench to record her most productive game of the four. Both Jones and Brown will provide a shotblocking presence when they are in the game and will allow our guards to play the opposition tighter out top and on the wings with the knowledge that the 4s and 5s can help protect the paint.
Both Jones and Brown did not play like typical incoming freshmen during the Italian trip. They took the shots that other freshmen often pass up while deferring to older teammates when they are attempting to find their way and determine their roles in the lineup. That showed me that both Jones and Brown expected to earn extensive playing time and play significant roles on this year's squad. And I believe that they will and perhaps do so sooner rather than later. Both Corosdale and Pivec did not start immediately during their freshmen seasons as the OSU coaches initially went with returning veterans during the '16-'17 and '17-'18 seasons. It may be difficult for the OSU coaches to keep Jones or Brown out of the starting line-up in November.
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 2, 2019 8:22:57 GMT -8
It's weird that most are making so many specific projections from four games vs far inferior talent. Those teams lose to AAU and upper level US high school teams.
It remains to be seen if the "knowns" will exceed or equal past production, and how Kat returns. But, this season is much like last and every other... the need for a multi dimensional team. Even without Kat and superior post play this team went further than some expected.
I believe the top of the Pac12 is deeper and stronger than last year, hence equal (better if Kat returns to form) production from the outside and better post play is a must. The frosh combined will have to give at OSU more than last season's post play. At this point the soph posts are a "bust" in terms of expecting quality contributions. Anything PM gives will be a huge plus. But having 3 bigs, 15 fouls, different skill sets will help the interior game.
MW has never been a threat outside if 8ft, I don't care where she played in HS. Thropay is not a Pac12 post. Both will have limited successes in short spurts, but neither are the key to a top 3 Pac12 finish.
It's the same story, different cast... can OSU find an interior game to compliment their exterior presence?
Italy was an "excuse" for team building, and better than scrimmaging vs themselves. But no answers will be had until mid December.
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Post by beaveragain on Sept 2, 2019 9:45:39 GMT -8
" At this point the soph posts are a "bust"" Ummm, there's only one soph post and she hasn't really played yet, to give SR a chance to see what the Frosh have. And the team wasn't playing Beav offense or defense. So it may be a tad bit early to condemn Trish to the trash heap. KB and Jones are better players than Trish was at this point last season, but they haven't played a second of Beav style of play in a game. Try not to be stunned if Trish ends up being the starter after Maddie heads it up for a while, just as Maddie did last season for Jo.
And one last defense of Jo. Jo last season had the 13th highest shooting % in the country. She was 3rd in the Pac-12 in blocks when in the first 2/3rds of the season she was playing back up until she had built up her stamina. In the first game vs Oregon Jo outscored Hebard 12 to 10 when they were playing head to head. The season ended up a "disappointment" (the word used by three Beav players) because Aleah, Taya, and Destiny went into a shooting slump at the end of the season. Blaming Jo because the team couldn't hit an open jumper is absurd.
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