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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 8:00:27 GMT -8
Lots of player eval in this piece. The 7 newcomers is the largest group Tink has had, seems genuinely intriguing about their capability to step right in and provide quality minutes. The new post players, in particular, are making waves in the informal summer sessions. Dastrup might not be the only option at power forward, and since Tink is comparing him to Olaf Schaftenaar, that probably means he is more of a finesse player. Going to need Silva and Tucker to combine for some kind of replacement to the physical presence of Big Glig. I think it's too much to expect them to score efficiently like Glig but anything will help, even if it's just soaking up fouls and getting some rebounds. Tink has a theory about the rebounds- if Ethan and Tres don't have to rebound so much they can get out on the break more and take advantage of their transition game. What do you all think about that? Kerry Eggers Portland Tribune Article OS Basketball Summer Report |
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Post by beaverinohio on Aug 21, 2019 8:44:54 GMT -8
Well most coaches love their players in the summer, so not surprising that he speaks of them in glowing terms. And I like the idea of running more.
Few things I took away from the articleL
1. Might just be coach speak, but it sounds like he thinks the two new bigs will be able to contribute some. That will really make the team more versatile if true.
2. Mentioned D for several of the players, which I like to hear.
3. I've been saying Miller-Moore could be a difference maker with his athleticism he signed and was glad to hear Tinkle say good things about him in that regard. Hopefully his style of play can rub off on Hollins some and light a fire under him.
4. I like the coaching change. Good to get some young blood in there and he's got experience recruiting overseas, which could be a plus.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 15:02:59 GMT -8
Well most coaches love their players in the summer, so not surprising that he speaks of them in glowing terms. And I like the idea of running more. Few things I took away from the articleL 1. Might just be coach speak, but it sounds like he thinks the two new bigs will be able to contribute some. That will really make the team more versatile if true. 2. Mentioned D for several of the players, which I like to hear. 3. I've been saying Miller-Moore could be a difference maker with his athleticism he signed and was glad to hear Tinkle say good things about him in that regard. Hopefully his style of play can rub off on Hollins some and light a fire under him. 4. I like the coaching change. Good to get some young blood in there and he's got experience recruiting overseas, which could be a plus. Went back and read that again Miller-Moore most athletic player since GPII? Ok! Is this summer love? Or is this coach fling going to stalk us like an Olivia newton-john way into Decembrrr??? Can only Hope so. |
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Post by qbeaver on Aug 21, 2019 16:26:03 GMT -8
Lots of player eval in this piece. The 7 newcomers is the largest group Tink has had, seems genuinely intriguing about their capability to step right in and provide quality minutes. The new post players, in particular, are making waves in the informal summer sessions. Dastrup might not be the only option at power forward, and since Tink is comparing him to Olaf Schaftenaar, that probably means he is more of a finesse player. Going to need Silva and Tucker to combine for some kind of replacement to the physical presence of Big Glig. I think it's too much to expect them to score efficiently like Glig but anything will help, even if it's just soaking up fouls and getting some rebounds. Tink has a theory about the rebounds- if Ethan and Tres don't have to rebound so much they can get out on the break more and take advantage of their transition game. What do you all think about that? Jmo,but I think coach Tinkle had success in the past with hard nosed overachievers who think defense first with a chip on their shoulders. Outscrap your opponents...play cohesive offense unselfishly. Im optimistic that this group can meld together and make the tournament led by Tres,Ethan,and a defensive game changer in Kylor. The newcomers are talented,and I'm excited about the added athleticism on the perimeter and depth inside...especially Hunt and Miller-Moore. It all starts on the perimeter offensively and defensively. Both of those prospects are better defenders than Stevie who was not the lock down defender to say the least like Hunt and SM-M could be. Color me optimistic... Kerry Eggers Portland Tribune Article OS Basketball Summer Report |
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 21, 2019 17:00:15 GMT -8
Of course WT is high on these guys... not only does every coach say that type of "coach speak", but he almost has to hope to come close to the UNR type of "transfer success". The most recent recruiting classes have not panned out and the 75% significant recruits that have panned out are coaches' kids.
The roster has (5) transfers... NONE with any P5 experience of note (5th of course, KK, had last year)... (4) frosh that are rated in the bottom 3rd of the Pac12 classes... (3) under achievers that have yet to live up to the hype of "super athletic" (Hollins)... "great shooter" (Reichle)... "pure PG that could start" (Vernon)... and (2) known highly quality Pac12 players (3 counting KK). So... that means about 4-5 of these guys have to really turn the corner and become legit Pac12 contributors by league play for this team to competitive in the 6th year of WT's tenure.
More than the above roster question marks and the seemingly lack of a consistent offensive scheme (either taught or executed?) is the huge inroads that the Pac12 made in recruiting this year. Depending on which service you want to "believe", teams in the Pac12 signed 8, 9, or 10 of the Top 40 players. Zona, UW, ucks, SC, ASU really had great classes... and have great depth. The Pac12 could be frosh dominated, and have several very athletic and deep teams. OSU will not be overly athletic/deep.
OSU/WT will have to hit a 'jackpot" with 3-4 players truly excelling to keep pace with last year's 18-13/10-8. It will be a very intriguing season as newcomers typically have not fared particularly well in their 1st season under WT and he needs several to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 18:25:01 GMT -8
Of course WT is high on these guys... not only does every coach say that type of "coach speak", but he almost has to hope to come close to the UNR type of "transfer success". The most recent recruiting classes have not panned out and the 75% significant recruits that have panned out are coaches' kids. The roster has (5) transfers... NONE with any P5 experience of note (5th of course, KK, had last year)... (4) frosh that are rated in the bottom 3rd of the Pac12 classes... (3) under achievers that have yet to live up to the hype of "super athletic" (Hollins)... "great shooter" (Reichle)... "pure PG that could start" (Vernon)... and (2) known highly quality Pac12 players (3 counting KK). So... that means about 4-5 of these guys have to really turn the corner and become legit Pac12 contributors by league play for this team to competitive in the 6th year of WT's tenure. More than the above roster question marks and the seemingly lack of a consistent offensive scheme (either taught or executed?) is the huge inroads that the Pac12 made in recruiting this year. Depending on which service you want to "believe", teams in the Pac12 signed 8, 9, or 10 of the Top 40 players. Zona, UW, ucks, SC, ASU really had great classes... and have great depth. The Pac12 could be frosh dominated, and have several very athletic and deep teams. OSU will not be overly athletic/deep. OSU/WT will have to hit a 'jackpot" with 3-4 players truly excelling to keep pace with last year's 18-13/10-8. It will be a very intriguing season as newcomers typically have not fared particularly well in their 1st season under WT and he needs several to do so. I disagree I don't think you mean that Stevie and gleg were a jackpot last year so why would these need to replace them this year to equal the same amount of went if some of these newcomers can merely approximate that they will be closed also I think you overstate the eventual success of big recruiting classes with freshman |
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 21, 2019 18:54:55 GMT -8
Of course WT is high on these guys... not only does every coach say that type of "coach speak", but he almost has to hope to come close to the UNR type of "transfer success". The most recent recruiting classes have not panned out and the 75% significant recruits that have panned out are coaches' kids. The roster has (5) transfers... NONE with any P5 experience of note (5th of course, KK, had last year)... (4) frosh that are rated in the bottom 3rd of the Pac12 classes... (3) under achievers that have yet to live up to the hype of "super athletic" (Hollins)... "great shooter" (Reichle)... "pure PG that could start" (Vernon)... and (2) known highly quality Pac12 players (3 counting KK). So... that means about 4-5 of these guys have to really turn the corner and become legit Pac12 contributors by league play for this team to competitive in the 6th year of WT's tenure. More than the above roster question marks and the seemingly lack of a consistent offensive scheme (either taught or executed?) is the huge inroads that the Pac12 made in recruiting this year. Depending on which service you want to "believe", teams in the Pac12 signed 8, 9, or 10 of the Top 40 players. Zona, UW, ucks, SC, ASU really had great classes... and have great depth. The Pac12 could be frosh dominated, and have several very athletic and deep teams. OSU will not be overly athletic/deep. OSU/WT will have to hit a 'jackpot" with 3-4 players truly excelling to keep pace with last year's 18-13/10-8. It will be a very intriguing season as newcomers typically have not fared particularly well in their 1st season under WT and he needs several to do so. I disagree I don't think you mean that Stevie and gleg were a jackpot last year so why would these need to replace them this year to equal the same amount of went if some of these newcomers can merely approximate that they will be closed also I think you overstate the eventual success of big recruiting classes with freshman If I indeed overestimated the highly rated frosh classes, what does that mean for the class of (4) OSU signed? |
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Post by avidbeaver on Aug 21, 2019 20:16:25 GMT -8
I see in that article that Gottlieb is now director of player personnel/assistant to head coach. Is that a demotion or a promotion?
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Post by thetruebeav on Aug 21, 2019 20:56:38 GMT -8
I see Tres & Ethan being 2 of the better players on the floor in the PAC 12. Add growth of the returners & some solid minutes and a 20+ win season is not out of the question
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 22, 2019 6:28:04 GMT -8
I see Tres & Ethan being 2 of the better players on the floor in the PAC 12. Add growth of the returners & some solid minutes and a 20+ win season is not out of the question The thing I don’t see happening this year is having a player who’s having a terrible shooting day have to stay on the floor because we don’t have the depth. Stevie, Ethan, and Tres all had a bad day or two of shooting, some days they just don’t fall. I’m thinking/hoping that despite having a bunch of new kids, the team has better depth than it has had in quite some time. I hate seeing a player shoot 1-15 or 4-16 in a 3 point loss, that happened like 7 to 8 times last season, I think this year if a shooting streak goes south a player will get a bit of a break. |
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Post by bill82 on Aug 22, 2019 7:00:11 GMT -8
I see in that article that Gottlieb is now director of player personnel/assistant to head coach. Is that a demotion or a promotion? Demotion in title. Inserting "to" between assistant and coach makes it clear. |
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Post by bill82 on Aug 22, 2019 7:05:30 GMT -8
I like the optimism on defense and talk of point guards being able to run an offense. Missing is any mention of an emerging floor leader. This has been a big complaint of Tinkle at pressers. No one talks on defense. No one holds teammates accountable on the floor. Hence all the hysterics on the sideline by Big Tink. I imagine it will be difficult for a newcomer to tell the only kid with a Range Rover what to do on the court.
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 22, 2019 7:08:15 GMT -8
I see in that article that Gottlieb is now director of player personnel/assistant to head coach. Is that a demotion or a promotion? Demotion in title. Inserting "to" between assistant and coach makes it clear. It is not necessarily a demotion. He was never the "assistant head coach". He is moving from a coaching role to an administrative role. Sometimes that is a demotion and sometimes it is by choice. Coach Ely did the same thing with the women's team and it was not considered a demotion. He just wanted to move into more of an administrative role. |
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Post by qbeaver on Aug 22, 2019 7:11:14 GMT -8
I like the optimism on defense and talk of point guards being able to run an offense. Missing is any mention of an emerging floor leader. This has been a big complaint of Tinkle at pressers. No one talks on defense. No one holds teammates accountable on the floor. Hence all the hysterics on the sideline by Big Tink. I imagine it will be difficult for a newcomer to tell the only kid with a Range Rover what to do on the court. Range Rover? Young Tinkle drives a black Dodge Charger. Maybe you are talking about someone else. Yes there are schools with better recruiting classes in the Pac-12. Some of those top kids are one and done...not really interested in the team game per se...only looking to boost their own stock. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 22, 2019 9:07:30 GMT -8
I like the optimism on defense and talk of point guards being able to run an offense. Missing is any mention of an emerging floor leader. This has been a big complaint of Tinkle at pressers. No one talks on defense. No one holds teammates accountable on the floor. Hence all the hysterics on the sideline by Big Tink. I imagine it will be difficult for a newcomer to tell the only kid with a Range Rover what to do on the court. Range Rover? Young Tinkle drives a black Dodge Charger. Maybe you are talking about someone else. Yes there are schools with better recruiting classes in the Pac-12. Some of those top kids are one and done...not really interested in the team game per se...only looking to boost their own stock. I'm afraid you'd be singing a different tune if the said "one and dones" were in Black and Orange going to the tourney every year!? |
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