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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 9:16:21 GMT -8
Range Rover? Young Tinkle drives a black Dodge Charger. Maybe you are talking about someone else. Yes there are schools with better recruiting classes in the Pac-12. Some of those top kids are one and done...not really interested in the team game per se...only looking to boost their own stock. I'm afraid you'd be singing a different tune if the said "one and dones" were in Black and Orange going to the tourney every year!? Everybody wants to go to the tournament but having no continuity with players would add to the meh factor. If Tres and Ethan get back to the tourney this year its going to be all the much sweeter because it will have been their journey that the fans have been a part of too. I think you are mainly referring to hole when you say "every year". At least the beavs swept those fools last season. And yeah i was bitterly disappointed in the team and coaches when they flamed out at season's end so my optimism now is unfounded at best. I will cop to that.
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 22, 2019 9:31:02 GMT -8
I'm afraid you'd be singing a different tune if the said "one and dones" were in Black and Orange going to the tourney every year!? Everybody wants to go to the tournament but having no continuity with players would add to the meh factor. If Tres and Ethan get back to the tourney this year its going to be all the much sweeter because it will have been their journey that the fans have been a part of too. I think you are mainly referring to hole when you say "every year". At least the beavs swept those fools last season. And yeah i was bitterly disappointed in the team and coaches when they flamed out at season's end so my optimism now is unfounded at best. I will cop to that. How has the "continuity" of the last 5 years much different than one/a couple "one and done's" a year? The rest of the roster is still there and about as stable as all the defections we've had, BUT would be FAR and away more talented and exciting. Guarantee Gill would be sold out 50-60-70%+ with the talent level the ucks just added. I hate DA and what he represents, but not all elite programs are slime. But, it's never going to an issue as WT is never going to draw that type, nor am I sure he can coach that type of talent!? I will say... certain (maybe most) coaches can't handle elite talent, it becomes unrestricted rat ball with the tail wagging the dog. It can be a negative, but it's not like OSU has kept of the recruits here and coached up.
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 22, 2019 9:37:39 GMT -8
Everybody wants to go to the tournament but having no continuity with players would add to the meh factor. If Tres and Ethan get back to the tourney this year its going to be all the much sweeter because it will have been their journey that the fans have been a part of too. I think you are mainly referring to hole when you say "every year". At least the beavs swept those fools last season. And yeah i was bitterly disappointed in the team and coaches when they flamed out at season's end so my optimism now is unfounded at best. I will cop to that. How has the "continuity" of the last 5 years much different than one/a couple "one and done's" a year? The rest of the roster is still there and about as stable as all the defections we've had, BUT would be FAR and away more talented and exciting. Guarantee Gill would be sold out 50-60-70%+ with the talent level the ucks just added. I hate DA and what he represents, but not all elite programs are slime. But, it's never going to an issue as WT is never going to draw that type, nor am I sure he can coach that type of talent!? I will say... certain (maybe most) coaches can't handle elite talent, it becomes unrestricted rat ball with the tail wagging the dog. It can be a negative, but it's not like OSU has kept of the recruits here and coached up. Name one that hasn't had some accusations of illegal recruiting. The only one that I can think of off hand is maybe Virginia. I'm not sold on WT's recruiting, but it makes it even harder when the big boys are cheating and you're not.
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 22, 2019 10:07:32 GMT -8
How has the "continuity" of the last 5 years much different than one/a couple "one and done's" a year? The rest of the roster is still there and about as stable as all the defections we've had, BUT would be FAR and away more talented and exciting. Guarantee Gill would be sold out 50-60-70%+ with the talent level the ucks just added. I hate DA and what he represents, but not all elite programs are slime. But, it's never going to an issue as WT is never going to draw that type, nor am I sure he can coach that type of talent!? I will say... certain (maybe most) coaches can't handle elite talent, it becomes unrestricted rat ball with the tail wagging the dog. It can be a negative, but it's not like OSU has kept of the recruits here and coached up. Name one that hasn't had some accusations of illegal recruiting. The only one that I can think of off hand is maybe Virginia. I'm not sold on WT's recruiting, but it makes it even harder when the big boys are cheating and you're not. And which have had any proven? Or, better yet, had it effect their elite status? Hint... almost EVERY school breaks some rules... some actually get caught. No one is supporting becoming a "slime ball" school, but excusing away poor recruiting (or is it more poor player development?) because it takes a cheat to recruit better talent is a foolish premise. WT can't draw talent because the only talent he has been able to are son's. Players will gravitate to places where there is other talented players that also enable teams to be successful. One and done's are a different breed, they seek high profile teams to raise their draft stock, and coaches who have a proven track record of success and player development. Say what you will about how recruits land at certain schools, but there has to be a known history (word of mouth) of players liking the location and development of their games once there for it to sustain the pipeline. At this point WT has shown no ability to land recruits of substance, nor develop those he does into better players. This class could actually be the sign he is in trouble with recruiting and in a bit of a panic mode. Lots of transfers and late signings... (8) newbies, (2) walk on's... (3) under achievers up to this point, (1) proven Pac12 "star", (2) Pac12 mid-level players that show signs of more. Not really what I, or others, had hoped for going into year 6.
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Post by rafer on Aug 22, 2019 10:34:09 GMT -8
Name one that hasn't had some accusations of illegal recruiting. The only one that I can think of off hand is maybe Virginia. I'm not sold on WT's recruiting, but it makes it even harder when the big boys are cheating and you're not. And which have had any proven? Or, better yet, had it effect their elite status? Hint... almost EVERY school breaks some rules... some actually get caught. No one is supporting becoming a "slime ball" school, but excusing away poor recruiting (or is it more poor player development?) because it takes a cheat to recruit better talent is a foolish premise. WT can't draw talent because the only talent he has been able to are son's. Players will gravitate to places where there is other talented players that also enable teams to be successful. One and done's are a different breed, they seek high profile teams to raise their draft stock, and coaches who have a proven track record of success and player development. Say what you will about how recruits land at certain schools, but there has to be a known history (word of mouth) of players liking the location and development of their games once there for it to sustain the pipeline. At this point WT has shown no ability to land recruits of substance, nor develop those he does into better players. This class could actually be the sign he is in trouble with recruiting and in a bit of a panic mode. Lots of transfers and late signings... (8) newbies, (2) walk on's... (3) under achievers up to this point, (1) proven Pac12 "star", (2) Pac12 mid-level players that show signs of more. Not really what I, or others, had hoped for going into year 6. Riddle me this, would WT be getting the elite recruits if he were at uckville?? Hell yes, in a heart beat. Most of those kids area coming to tsdtr because it is tsdtr, period. They see Nike, unca fill, $$$, and glitz, which is what 90% of the elites are after, get me on tv, give me perks, I'll be there and gone in 1 or 2 years, and you'll pretend to be a great coach, win win....
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 22, 2019 10:43:54 GMT -8
And which have had any proven? Or, better yet, had it effect their elite status? Hint... almost EVERY school breaks some rules... some actually get caught. No one is supporting becoming a "slime ball" school, but excusing away poor recruiting (or is it more poor player development?) because it takes a cheat to recruit better talent is a foolish premise. WT can't draw talent because the only talent he has been able to are son's. Players will gravitate to places where there is other talented players that also enable teams to be successful. One and done's are a different breed, they seek high profile teams to raise their draft stock, and coaches who have a proven track record of success and player development. Say what you will about how recruits land at certain schools, but there has to be a known history (word of mouth) of players liking the location and development of their games once there for it to sustain the pipeline. At this point WT has shown no ability to land recruits of substance, nor develop those he does into better players. This class could actually be the sign he is in trouble with recruiting and in a bit of a panic mode. Lots of transfers and late signings... (8) newbies, (2) walk on's... (3) under achievers up to this point, (1) proven Pac12 "star", (2) Pac12 mid-level players that show signs of more. Not really what I, or others, had hoped for going into year 6. Riddle me this, would WT be getting the elite recruits if he were at uckville?? Hell yes, in a heart beat. Most of those kids area coming to tsdtr because it is tsdtr, period. They see Nike, unca fill, $$$, and glitz, which is what 90% of the elites are after, get me on tv, give me perks, I'll be there and gone in 1 or 2 years, and you'll pretend to be a great coach, win win.... NOPE... he'd have never even been interviewed there!
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 22, 2019 12:32:51 GMT -8
Name one that hasn't had some accusations of illegal recruiting. The only one that I can think of off hand is maybe Virginia. I'm not sold on WT's recruiting, but it makes it even harder when the big boys are cheating and you're not. And which have had any proven? Or, better yet, had it effect their elite status?Hint... almost EVERY school breaks some rules... some actually get caught. No one is supporting becoming a "slime ball" school, but excusing away poor recruiting (or is it more poor player development?) because it takes a cheat to recruit better talent is a foolish premise. WT can't draw talent because the only talent he has been able to are son's. Players will gravitate to places where there is other talented players that also enable teams to be successful. One and done's are a different breed, they seek high profile teams to raise their draft stock, and coaches who have a proven track record of success and player development. Say what you will about how recruits land at certain schools, but there has to be a known history (word of mouth) of players liking the location and development of their games once there for it to sustain the pipeline. At this point WT has shown no ability to land recruits of substance, nor develop those he does into better players. This class could actually be the sign he is in trouble with recruiting and in a bit of a panic mode. Lots of transfers and late signings... (8) newbies, (2) walk on's... (3) under achievers up to this point, (1) proven Pac12 "star", (2) Pac12 mid-level players that show signs of more. Not really what I, or others, had hoped for going into year 6. That's the problem. The NCAA has found things, but the punishments have been so minimal (especially in basketball) that it is not a deterrent for the elite programs that get caught.
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Post by bill82 on Aug 22, 2019 12:43:16 GMT -8
I like the optimism on defense and talk of point guards being able to run an offense. Missing is any mention of an emerging floor leader. This has been a big complaint of Tinkle at pressers. No one talks on defense. No one holds teammates accountable on the floor. Hence all the hysterics on the sideline by Big Tink. I imagine it will be difficult for a newcomer to tell the only kid with a Range Rover what to do on the court. Range Rover? Young Tinkle drives a black Dodge Charger. Maybe you are talking about someone else. Yes there are schools with better recruiting classes in the Pac-12. Some of those top kids are one and done...not really interested in the team game per se...only looking to boost their own stock. Bob Lundeberg tweeted about almost getting hit by TT driving a Range Rover. It's not up anymore or I'd post it. Maybe he was driving someone else's car.
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Post by bennyskid on Aug 22, 2019 12:52:10 GMT -8
Bob Lundeberg should not be tweeting while driving a Range Rover. Even if it is someone else's car.
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Post by ag87 on Aug 22, 2019 13:14:20 GMT -8
Bob Lundeberg should not be tweeting while driving a Range Rover. Even if it is someone else's car. I was almost hit by Laura Davies while she was driving a Cadillac courtesy car after she missed the cut at the US Open. I was a pedestrian and her mirror missed me by maybe 6-inches.
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 22, 2019 13:23:16 GMT -8
Bob Lundeberg should not be tweeting while driving a Range Rover. Even if it is someone else's car. I was almost hit by Laura Davies while she was driving a Cadillac courtesy car after she missed the cut at the US Open. I was a pedestrian and her mirror missed me by maybe 6-inches. Better the mirror than her! Oops...🙄
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 22, 2019 14:33:52 GMT -8
Bob or Bill Lundeberg
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Post by beaverbeliever on Aug 22, 2019 21:16:18 GMT -8
The 'one and dones' have not proven to be a guarantee to get to the tourney - as this conference continues to prove.
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Post by babeav on Aug 22, 2019 21:27:28 GMT -8
Craig Robinson was asked if he’d recruit a one and done.....his answer would I like an NBA player on our roster, you bet.
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Post by obf on Aug 23, 2019 13:38:40 GMT -8
"great shooter" (Reichle)... Spit my coffee out on that one I think after a couple years of proving that label wrong we can stop banding that about... Hopefully all this new found depth will keep Zach where he should be.... Bench warmer, cheer leader. (Now go prove me wrong, Zach.... PLEASE!) While I am not as optimistic as some about this coming year, I do have to say that it is an interesting novelty to not have 4-7 roster spots taken up by WESAPTPP (Wont Ever See Actual Playing Time, Practice Player). One of the big issues in past years (and WT addressed it in the article) is that the starters had to play such heavy minutes that they had to limit their running, transition, defensive pressure, etc. If we have an actual bench, a roster that actually is 10-12 players deep, that can all actually be on a Pac-12 floor for at least a few minutes.... well... that would be new
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