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Post by newduke2 on Apr 11, 2019 12:57:09 GMT -8
I thought about one possible way OSU might integrate all the bigs on next years team [as if I had any expertise or would know ANYTHING at all about what CR might be thinking  ]: Brown steps in immediately to replace and play the role of McWilliams. Aquino steps in as the backup to Corosdale because she can shoot the three and rebound? Jones backs up Morris or vice versa as the two rotate at the post. Mitrovic redshirts or gets limited time in at the post. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Apr 11, 2019 13:28:18 GMT -8
I think that Kat will be the replacement for Katie. If Kat is not ready then Aleah and Destiny will be could be splitting time at point and 3, kind of like they did some this season. Jazz will have to step up, we will need her coming off the bench.
The bigs are going to have to play where we need them which means KB or AA could end up at the 5 if they are the most ready. One thing for sure is that they will be getting a lot of practice against other tall players.
While we have an abundance of bigs, they are all very different in physical abilities and skills. I can't remember who but someone made the comment that CR is assembling the pieces for success, kind of like a chess match. This year he was able to show what can happen with two point guards that are as different as possible. Early in the season Destiny went crazy, when opponents made a point of stopping her he sent Aleah in. It was very difficult to prepare for both. Now with eight players who can play the two post positions he has a variety of options. The problem preparing will be that much harder.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Apr 11, 2019 15:34:05 GMT -8
I agree that Kat seems the obvious candidate to step in and take Katie's spot next season. Kat is obviously an extremely proven player in the system, the sole question is in regards to her rehab and recovery. Jazz is definitely going to have to step up next season and - after a year in the system - she should be ready to step in and give quality minutes off the bench. She has showed great upside in games, just needed experience and confidence which she should develop as her time at OSU prolongs. Mik's versatility allows Rueck to sub Aleah in first regardless of what guard is coming out, because she can play all the guard/wing spots.
There are so many options at the 4 and 5 slots that it will be really exciting to see what combinations Rueck uses. Brown and Jones are both extremely versatile. Aquino is - for the second season in a row - the obvious wild card. At least their trip to Italy will give us something to look forward too before November!
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Post by newduke2 on Apr 11, 2019 15:47:47 GMT -8
I agree that Kat seems the obvious candidate to step in and take Katie's spot next season. Kat is obviously an extremely proven player in the system, the sole question is in regards to her rehab and recovery. Jazz is definitely going to have to step up next season and - after a year in the system - she should be ready to step in and give quality minutes off the bench. She has showed great upside in games, just needed experience and confidence which she should develop as her time at OSU prolongs. Mik's versatility allows Rueck to sub Aleah in first regardless of what guard is coming out, because she can play all the guard/wing spots. There are so many options at the 4 and 5 slots that it will be really exciting to see what combinations Rueck uses. Brown and Jones are both extremely versatile. Aquino is - for the second season in a row - the obvious wild card. At least their trip to Italy will give us something to look forward too before November! One could argue that all 5 of the newest/newer bigs are wild cards or "X" factors at this point, since Morris did not play much but could improve a lot in the off-season and the other 4 gals have not played a minute of USA D1 women's basketball. |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Apr 11, 2019 16:02:07 GMT -8
I agree that Kat seems the obvious candidate to step in and take Katie's spot next season. Kat is obviously an extremely proven player in the system, the sole question is in regards to her rehab and recovery. Jazz is definitely going to have to step up next season and - after a year in the system - she should be ready to step in and give quality minutes off the bench. She has showed great upside in games, just needed experience and confidence which she should develop as her time at OSU prolongs. Mik's versatility allows Rueck to sub Aleah in first regardless of what guard is coming out, because she can play all the guard/wing spots. There are so many options at the 4 and 5 slots that it will be really exciting to see what combinations Rueck uses. Brown and Jones are both extremely versatile. Aquino is - for the second season in a row - the obvious wild card. At least their trip to Italy will give us something to look forward too before November! One could argue that all 5 of the newest/newer bigs are wild cards or "X" factors at this point, since Morris did play much but could improve a lot in the off-season and the other 4 gals have not played a minute of USA D1 women's basketball. Morris certainly has a high ceiling and could make a huge jump this season. She showed promise as a freshman, obviously just came in very raw and inexperienced, but I thought she was light years ahead at the end of the season from where she was at the beginning. |
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Post by beavheart on Apr 11, 2019 18:33:40 GMT -8
The possibilities next year are definitely intriguing. It would be nice to have more film on the new recruits. I haven't seen anything on Taylor Jones, and the Mitrovic stuff is tough to judge knowing little about the level of play in Serbia. What I've seen from KB looks fantastic, but I don't know if she has the quickness to play at the 3 yet.
Just off the cuff, I could see a depth chart that looks something like this,
1) Slocum, Goodman, Pivec
2) Pivec, Tudor, Goodman, Simmons
3) Corosdale, Simmons, Jones, Tudor
4) Washington, Corosdale, AA, Brown, Jones
5) PM, Mitrovic, Washington, AA, Brown
The possible line-ups there boggle the mind. Spoil of riches. I bet Rueck is enjoying his new chess set. Having to find playing time for everybody is a far cry from the days when he was scrambling to fill needs.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Apr 11, 2019 18:55:39 GMT -8
The possibilities next year are definitely intriguing. It would be nice to have more film on the new recruits. I haven't seen anything on Taylor Jones, and the Mitrovic stuff is tough to judge knowing little about the level of play in Serbia. What I've seen from KB looks fantastic, but I don't know if she has the quickness to play at the 3 yet. Just off the cuff, I could see a depth chart that looks something like this, 1) Slocum, Goodman, Pivec 2) Pivec, Tudor, Goodman, Simmons 3) Corosdale, Simmons, Jones, Tudor 4) Washington, Corosdale, AA, Brown, Jones 5) PM, Mitrovic, Washington, AA, Brown The possible line-ups there boggle the mind. Spoil of riches. I bet Rueck is enjoying his new chess set. Having to find playing time for everybody is a far cry from the days when he was scrambling to fill needs. No Janessa? |
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 11, 2019 19:08:16 GMT -8
The possibilities next year are definitely intriguing. It would be nice to have more film on the new recruits. I haven't seen anything on Taylor Jones, and the Mitrovic stuff is tough to judge knowing little about the level of play in Serbia. What I've seen from KB looks fantastic, but I don't know if she has the quickness to play at the 3 yet. Just off the cuff, I could see a depth chart that looks something like this, 1) Slocum, Goodman, Pivec 2) Pivec, Tudor, Goodman, Simmons 3) Corosdale, Simmons, Jones, Tudor 4) Washington, Corosdale, AA, Brown, Jones 5) PM, Mitrovic, Washington, AA, Brown The possible line-ups there boggle the mind. Spoil of riches. I bet Rueck is enjoying his new chess set. Having to find playing time for everybody is a far cry from the days when he was scrambling to fill needs. No Janessa? It's not "riches" if those are your starting 4 and 5. OSU is in trouble and the incoming class is worse than the last class of non contributors. From the tape I see and trying to extrapolate to Pac12 type play, there are players better than any progress PM will make. She is very weak, slender, and maybe as slow of foot as what just graduated. MW is a energizer sub/part time starter at most for a top level Pac12 team. If a top 3 in the Pac12 is going to happen... the incoming class best be ready to contribute far far more than last years frosh. |
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Post by rmancarl on Apr 11, 2019 20:22:49 GMT -8
Definitely want to look back at this thread as next season progresses.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Apr 12, 2019 8:48:30 GMT -8
I would hope that a McDonald's AA (Kennedy Brown) may not come in Pac-12 ready, but that she would represent the talent and headroom to become Pac-12 ready given enough early playing time. If KB gets the playing time that PM got this past season, she would need to be considered "overrated".
Now PM may have gotten the limited playing time that she did due to SR thinking that he needed to get Jo as ready as possible, and when he wasn't getting Jo ready he needed to get Maddie ready (and JT, though her injury derailed that). So there is still a question on the trajectory of PM that will hopefully get a clearer answer in Italy.....
I believe we might see a shift in SR's distribution of PT this coming season, at least in the front court, and at least early in the season. I think he knows what he has in Maddie and Janessa. But he won't succeed day in and day out in the Pac-12 unless his 5* recruits contribute (note our last few 5*s, namely Mik and Taya, played significant roles in their first seasons with the Beavers). He needs to get Andrea, Taylor and Kennedy playing similar contributory roles for us to set up well next season. How quickly the newbies ramp is going to decide our success (where success is how far we go in the tournament, which is also a function of seeding, which is a function of our finish in the Pac-12). And I believe that while the 5*'s may not be starting at the beginning of the season, I am hopeful they will be by the beginning of the Pac-12. If that is not the case, then I sure hope Maddie and JT have made the "Kolbie Leap"........which will be a very pleasant surprise. But I believe a McDs AA has a higher liklihood of making a "Kolbie Leap" from HS level play to Pac-12 level play than Maddie/JT doing so, but SR has an eye for talent, and we can't rule it out.
Go Beavers!
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Post by lotrader on Apr 12, 2019 12:42:52 GMT -8
Agree with 2ndGenBeav, that Rueck will have his post rotation defined by start of PAC-12 play. If not, it will be difficult for OSU front court to be impactful in PAC-12 play, PAC-12 Tournament Play, NCAA Tournament Play. Critical for Rueck to define his post rotation quickly.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Apr 12, 2019 14:03:02 GMT -8
With Andrea out last season, the options at the 5 were pretty limited. Pretty much everyone knew Trish was coming in as a project - but a few of us had hoped she would be more developed, but it was a little unrealistic. Jo improved a lot, but Jo is Jo, and there are certain things that she just physically is incapable of. Maddie and Janessa both are extremely hard workers and talented young ladies, but not true posts like Rueck prefers.
There are more choices this season, and the hope that one plus of Jelena, Kenndy, Taylor, or Jelena will be ready to compete in the Pac-12 by the time it starts, and also the chance that Trish has improved many facets of her game greatly. Maddie and Janessa will still be options of course.
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Post by beavheart on Apr 12, 2019 14:52:16 GMT -8
The possibilities next year are definitely intriguing. It would be nice to have more film on the new recruits. I haven't seen anything on Taylor Jones, and the Mitrovic stuff is tough to judge knowing little about the level of play in Serbia. What I've seen from KB looks fantastic, but I don't know if she has the quickness to play at the 3 yet. Just off the cuff, I could see a depth chart that looks something like this, 1) Slocum, Goodman, Pivec 2) Pivec, Tudor, Goodman, Simmons 3) Corosdale, Simmons, Jones, Tudor 4) Washington, Corosdale, AA, Brown, Jones 5) PM, Mitrovic, Washington, AA, Brown The possible line-ups there boggle the mind. Spoil of riches. I bet Rueck is enjoying his new chess set. Having to find playing time for everybody is a far cry from the days when he was scrambling to fill needs. No Janessa? Indeed. I had honestly forgotten about Janessa. Unfortunately, I'm not sure what to expect from her. She seems limited on offense and her position is going to be a lot more crowded next season. Where does a senior with holes in her game and limited gametime experience fit with a bunch of talented, younger players? I don't know, but if she can make the Kolby leap that some are talking about then I suppose you could pencil her somewhere in to the 4-5 slots. Just add her to the tool kit that Rueck will have next year. |
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Post by ricke71 on Apr 12, 2019 15:22:59 GMT -8
Indeed. I had honestly forgotten about Janessa. Unfortunately, I'm not sure what to expect from her. She seems limited on offense and her position is going to be a lot more crowded next season. Where does a senior with holes in her game and limited gametime experience fit with a bunch of talented, younger players? I don't know, but if she can make the Kolbie leap that some are talking about then I suppose you could pencil her somewhere in to the 4-5 slots. Just add her to the tool kit that Rueck will have next year. Janessa is a battler and plays with intensity, but I have seen little in 3 seasons to justify any hopes for a “Kolbie leap”. Kolbie had a natural fluidity and genuine physical gifts. Janessa often plays with what I’d call staccato uncertainty. Unless she matures to the point that the game ‘slows down’ to her senses/court-awareness, her making a ‘leap’ is a long shot. That’s not to say that she isn’t a great Beav and a valuable part of the program. |
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Post by beavheart on Apr 12, 2019 15:25:52 GMT -8
It's not "riches" if those are your starting 4 and 5. OSU is in trouble and the incoming class is worse than the last class of non contributors. From the tape I see and trying to extrapolate to Pac12 type play, there are players better than any progress PM will make. She is very weak, slender, and maybe as slow of foot as what just graduated. MW is a energizer sub/part time starter at most for a top level Pac12 team. If a top 3 in the Pac12 is going to happen... the incoming class best be ready to contribute far far more than last years frosh. I don't know how you can say that this incoming class is somehow worse than last years class. We won't know that until well into next season, at least. Considering that the best player in that class, AA, was a scratch I have serious doubts that this incoming class will not prove to be better. I also disagree that PM is as slow and weak as you say. Yes she looked lost and slow at the beginning of the season, but she was playing much faster by the end. She was bringing down rebounds with authority and making crisp outlet passes by the end of the year. And was showing the ability to finish around the basket. That, from a player that was a clear project coming in. Kind of like a few other players Rueck has coached. I think you are discounting what Scott and his staff can do with a player like PM. Nobody saw coming what Gulich did as a senior. Ruth was as big a project as a frosh, if not more than PM. Don't count Patricia out just yet. At any rate, I agree with 2ndGen and WBB Fan, that with the options Rueck has going in to next year that the rotation at the 4 and 5 will likely be settled by the time conference play starts. The point I was trying to illustrate was that there are about 50 different possible starting line-ups next year. We are pretty much set at the 1 and 2, but I could see Rueck using a number of players at the 3, 4 and 5 depending on the situation. For instance, I think Maddie would be more effective at the 4 than the 5. She has a nice mid-range game, and could crash the boards from the weak side. She had to play the 5 this year because of how limited we were there. That will not be a problem next year. With AA hopefully coming on board, and the incoming class I do believe we will be living with "riches" relative to last year, and frankly probably unlike any other time in the history of this program. |
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