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Post by rmancarl on Mar 9, 2019 22:28:17 GMT -8
Saw a tweet from Jordan Canada regarding UCLA after their defeat by Oregon tonight. Jordan commented that UCLA is playing their best basketball of the year and was pretty excited about what UCLA may do in the NCAA tourney. Oregon State just defeated UCLA and Oregon a couple weeks ago, but some here have already given up on winning any games in the tourney. I think some are giving up to early.
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Post by osu82 on Mar 9, 2019 23:55:21 GMT -8
Saw a tweet from Jordan Canada regarding UCLA after their defeat by Oregon tonight. Jordan commented that UCLA is playing their best basketball of the year and was pretty excited about what UCLA may do in the NCAA tourney. Oregon State just defeated UCLA and Oregon a couple weeks ago, but some here have already given up on winning any games in the tourney. I think some are giving up to early. I don't think "giving up" is quite right. If OSU hosts in GIll, then there's a pretty good chance they make the Sweet 16. Beavs are always a tough out in Gill. The Gonzaga game is the only one they've lost there. However, they haven't been playing great of late. Their "forte"--the 3 ball--has disappeared, and they've struggled defensively. You want to see a team building steam at this time of year, which is why the UW game was disconcerting. I have to think Rueck was pretty bummed, though he would never say it. If they go on the road probably the round of 32 will be a good outcome. I'll watch regardless and hope they surprise some folks. Gulich switched into "Beast Mode" last tourney run, maybe Slocum or Pivec will do that this year.
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Post by rmancarl on Mar 10, 2019 11:18:34 GMT -8
osu82, I'm not saying you are giving up, but when some of the comments about the Beavs are "their done", it kind of sounds like some fans are giving up. I'm only saying the Beavs were good enough to beat UCLA (twice), and play the ducks tough twice, with one being a win, and there are some among us that think the team has no chance in the tournament, while UCLA fans think their team is ready for a run despite losing to OSU, and to Oregon last night. Just a different perspective from two different fan groups.
With that said, I think we as fans, and I am definitely including myself, think the team is better than they are when there is a big win, and think they are worse than they are when they lose.
As for comments I've seen about 3pt shooting. After Kat went down, the Beavs only had 2 or 3 "good" 3pt shooting games. Take a look back at the stats. This has not been the 3pt shooting game of years past, yet, this team still only lost 4 in conference games. The team was impressive despite not being good at the triple. Had Kat been around this team may have only lost a game or two, but all teams have to deal with injury.
Whatever we may all say and think, I believe this team will be ready for the next game, and whoever they are playing better be on top of their game, or they will lose to the Beavs.
One more comment, Washington played a very good game, and hit their 3's just enough to win that game. I'm not sure I watched a team play as hard as Washington did, and I give them credit for coming out on top....despite hating the outcome.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Mar 10, 2019 18:04:47 GMT -8
Hey! We weren’t the only team from Oregon to lose to a team we beat by 40 points earlier in the season!
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Post by bvrbooster on Mar 10, 2019 20:08:59 GMT -8
While this loss was a definite downer, count me in the camp that thinks, (a) we're still going to host, and, (b) we'll win them both.
As somebody else pointed out, all the other teams ranked in the 11 to 16 range also lost, so who, and, more importantly, how many, can leapfrog over us? We might well still be a 3 seed, but I think a 4 definitely.
I recognize that we just lost to a Washington team that that isn't very good, but Washington plays very, very tough PAC 12 competition every night. They're used to playing the best. The 13 or 14 seed we'll play in the first round will be from a much weaker conference, and they'll never have played in an atmosphere like Gill.
Admittedly, the 5 or 6 seed we'll play after that will be tougher, but no tougher than the steady diet of UCLA, Cal, Oregon, Arizona state ... that we play all the time. And I would remind you we were 15 - 1 at Gill this year, with the one loss being double overtime. So I expect a another sweet sixteen.
With respect to next year, my guess is that the 5 position will, at the beginning of the season, contribute about what it has this year, and, by the end of the season when whoever plays it is more seasoned, much more than this year. And the wing? Much as I like Katie Mac, I'd rather have Kat playing it anyway. If nothing else, you don't have to beg for her to take a shot. So I have extremely high hopes for next year. This year we had to wonder who can fill Marie's shoes, and the answer was nobody. We don't have that question at any position next year.
One other note. Prior to the start of the PAC 12 tourney, I opined that we couldn't win 3 games unless Taya woke up offensively. Well, she did so, and I think Scott will build on that in the game against the 14 seed. Look for them to call Taya's number a lot, so she'll have 2 very solid games, and her confidence back, as we move deeper into the tournament.
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Post by lotrader on Mar 11, 2019 9:18:53 GMT -8
Playing at home is a HUGE Bonus for OSU. Rueck needs to put the best defensive team on the court first & foremost. Rueck also needs to be able to make in game player changes much quicker than he has been in the past few games. JG was a defensive liability in the UW Game. When you have a mobile center who can shoot 3's, mobile forwards that can get a lay-in on you at will, JG is not the right option. MW was a much better option in the UW game. JG is the right option in certain match ups, but the Beavs have to focus on defense first, offense from defense second.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Mar 11, 2019 9:35:46 GMT -8
Playing at home is a HUGE Bonus for OSU. Rueck needs to put the best defensive team on the court first & foremost. Rueck also needs to be able to make in game player changes much quicker than he has been in the past few games. JG was a defensive liability in the UW Game. When you have a mobile center who can shoot 3's, mobile forwards that can get a lay-in on you at will, JG is not the right option. MW was a much better option in the UW game. JG is the right option in certain match ups, but the Beavs have to focus on defense first, offense from defense second. SR tends to play the odds - the mobile center had the hot hand and she did not cool off like her season statistics suggested she would (I think the announcers said she was having the game of her lifetime) - statistics are great, but anomalies happen. I notice there are other schools that tend to try to shut down the hot hand (i.e. ASU chasing Goodman all over the court), but we tend to assume the hot hand will cool. Works most games, UW game sadly it did not......we also don't have much by way of defensive stoppers of the Gabbie Hanson mold on the outside this year.....that said, JG was not willing to step much outside of the key, and the UW player was beyond the arc, which created the instant mismatch (and did nothing to accelerate the hot hand cooling). Go Beavers!
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Post by wbosh15 on Mar 11, 2019 10:06:53 GMT -8
Playing at home is a HUGE Bonus for OSU. Rueck needs to put the best defensive team on the court first & foremost. Rueck also needs to be able to make in game player changes much quicker than he has been in the past few games. JG was a defensive liability in the UW Game. When you have a mobile center who can shoot 3's, mobile forwards that can get a lay-in on you at will, JG is not the right option. MW was a much better option in the UW game. JG is the right option in certain match ups, but the Beavs have to focus on defense first, offense from defense second. SR tends to play the odds - the mobile center had the hot hand and she did not cool off like her season statistics suggested she would (I think the announcers said she was having the game of her lifetime) - statistics are great, but anomalies happen. I notice there are other schools that tend to try to shut down the hot hand (i.e. ASU chasing Goodman all over the court), but we tend to assume the hot hand will cool. Works most games, UW game sadly it did not......we also don't have much by way of defensive stoppers of the Gabbie Hanson mold on the outside this year.....that said, JG was not willing to step much outside of the key, and the UW player was beyond the arc, which created the instant mismatch (and did nothing to accelerate the hot hand cooling). Go Beavers! Scott did play the odds and they worked out. The big that hit a few threes in the first half, ( Rees) ended up 4-13 from 3 and 6-20 overall. That’s not very efficient at all. The biggest issue in the game was going scoreless the last 4:44 of the first half. Make open shots and you win the game.
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Post by willtalk on Mar 11, 2019 14:01:42 GMT -8
Jo was not the problem in this game. People tend to focus on her because she was considered to be the weak link so when they lose the focus on what she does not do rather than what she adds. The center position is a trade off, there are definitely areas that Jo is weak in, but she compensates by her presence in the middle. When the team plays a small line up the other team attacks the center which the do not do with Jo in. I certainly felt that the team should have given Morris more court time. Perhaps Scott feels she does not know the offense enough, but again it's a trade off. they would not attack the center with her in the paint like they do when they play the small lineup.
I also feel the passes in to Jo are not as good or consistent as they could be. Granted her hands are not that good, but watching where the ball ends up in relation to her hands they certainly could have made it easier on her. Not naming names but certain players are just hesitate even pass her the ball even when she has her defender at a real disadvantage.
The ball handlers do make good passes to their open teammates, but are very inconsistent in that area. It seems to me that when they see an open team mate they think before making the pass. They do that not only in respect to Jo. When a player is open you just pass the ball and do not hesitate and decide first if you are going to make the pass. That is what negates offensive flow. The game should be instinctive and second nature and less about decision making. It is that hesitation that allows the defenders to react and negate any offensive advantage. Earlier in the season there were games ( or at least parts of games) when that ball went quickly from one player to the other until it found the open player. If a player does not have an open shot or an open lane-- pass the dang ball. The defense is not suddenly going to create an opening for you if you hold the ball long enough. When the shot clock is running down then you have to make something happen and even force a shot, but not with plenty of time left. Just pass the ball. Especially if a team mate is making an effort to move without the ball. Reward the effort by getting them the ball every now and then. Often players just quit moving without the ball because their efforts are never rewarded. It can often become a " catch 22 " cycle.
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Post by lotrader on Mar 12, 2019 16:07:31 GMT -8
Hi willtalk, the coaches refusal to make in game player personnel changes was the problem. In the UW Game, Jo was not a "plus" match up with the UW Center, or, any of the UW Post Players. When you get into a 1 and done tournament, you have to be able to get stops, meaning, you have to have the correct defensive personnel on the floor to match up with the opposition's personnel. Now if Jo was an automatic 2 points every time she touched the ball, we could have lived with her inability to defend UW post players, and, inability to rebound. But JG is not an "automatic" 2 points. Again, JG has her moments in the correct match ups, but that evening the OSU coaching staff should have made in game personnel adjustments much sooner.
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Post by beaveragain on Mar 12, 2019 16:21:19 GMT -8
Ah, so Reese going 4/13 from the 3 cost the Beav's the game? Really? But Aleah/McWilliams going 1/14 had no effect? Anything to make it Jo's fault huh?
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Mar 12, 2019 16:57:13 GMT -8
That is a big reason I hope Taylor Jones and Kennedy Brown are at least semi-game ready next season. Both have the ability to guard the three ball without getting beat to the hooper (like Jo and Trish likely would) or give up size (like Maddie and Janessa do).
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Mar 12, 2019 18:57:29 GMT -8
Wow. Just watched #1 Gonzaga MBB go down to SMC, and saw some striking similarities to OSU WBB go down to UW. Gonzaga had already destroyed SMC once, but the other game was closer. Gonzaga shot TERRIBLY in their loss. Crazy things can happen in March.
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