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Post by Tigardbeav on Feb 23, 2019 14:53:50 GMT -8
I'm eating peanuts right now. u ded...yet? |
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Post by mbabeav on Feb 23, 2019 17:49:37 GMT -8
I am fortunately only allergic to hard work, but know a few people that have to manage their lives and be very, very careful due to food allergies. Heck, was playing ball in high school against a club with a catcher who was allergic to bee stings and guess who got stung. Sometimes you can live as carefully as you can, but the rest of the world exists and must be navigated regardless of your circumstances.
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Post by mrazz on Feb 23, 2019 20:54:54 GMT -8
I will step right into the bear trap because I know that this is not the vaccination forum...but I am for mandatory vaccines. Had to have them when I went to school back in the Stone age. Hell, we had to have a record of them to register at OSU. Just like, "don't drive on the railroad tracks," mandatory vaccinations are one of the rules I agree with!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 23, 2019 22:10:39 GMT -8
I'm eating peanuts right now. u ded...yet? |
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Post by elmirabeaver on Feb 24, 2019 17:29:10 GMT -8
That's odd, it keeps leaving out the quote. "But this is a problem that is growing, for some weird reason, in our culture today."Speaking from a purely logical, not emotional, frame of reference... For the same reason so many people wear glasses, are born diabetic, etc. We have developed a means of saving the lives of these people, which allows them to live and pass on the genes that result in these conditions. In the past people with an allergy as serious as Lauren would have died from it at a young age. Now we have Epi-pens (That are outrageously priced, but that's a Porch discussion...) that keep them alive and they perpetuate the condition. 5,000 years ago someone with as bad of eyesight as I have would have starved ages ago. Our science saves us, and in some aspects, weakens us. There are likely environmental issues that contribute, but I haven't seen anything that convinced me of that so far. I believe there are, I just haven't seen data to validate my belief. Kinda' like extra-terrestrial life. With billions of galaxies each having billions of stars, I believe there are other beings out there. But I have yet to come across data that validates my belief. The Elmira Beaver Still waiting for ET to stop by... |
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Post by elmirabeaver on Feb 24, 2019 17:32:43 GMT -8
I am fortunately only allergic to hard work, You and me both, brother! <GGG> |
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Post by abureid on Feb 24, 2019 18:51:33 GMT -8
Kinda' like extra-terrestrial life. With billions of galaxies each having billions of stars, I believe there are other beings out there. But I have yet to come across data that validates my belief. The Elmira Beaver Still waiting for ET to stop by... If ET is out there, I hope he can play on the defensive line, Coach Smith could use him |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 24, 2019 22:10:39 GMT -8
That's odd, it keeps leaving out the quote. "But this is a problem that is growing, for some weird reason, in our culture today."Speaking from a purely logical, not emotional, frame of reference... For the same reason so many people wear glasses, are born diabetic, etc. We have developed a means of saving the lives of these people, which allows them to live and pass on the genes that result in these conditions. In the past people with an allergy as serious as Lauren would have died from it at a young age. Now we have Epi-pens (That are outrageously priced, but that's a Porch discussion...) that keep them alive and they perpetuate the condition. 5,000 years ago someone with as bad of eyesight as I have would have starved ages ago. Our science saves us, and in some aspects, weakens us. There are likely environmental issues that contribute, but I haven't seen anything that convinced me of that so far. I believe there are, I just haven't seen data to validate my belief. Kinda' like extra-terrestrial life. With billions of galaxies each having billions of stars, I believe there are other beings out there. But I have yet to come across data that validates my belief. The Elmira Beaver Still waiting for ET to stop by... Peanut allergies have increased by roughly 700% in the past 25 years. The four main theories as to why people are allergic to peanuts are as follows: 1. Overactive immune systems. This is a theory that peanut allergies are similar to other allergies. Our immune systems are designed to quickly destroy common and catastrophic threats to our body. However, through science and technology, we have eliminated most of these. Our immune systems, which are not able to identify the catastrophic threats that are supposed to be common in the environment misidentify peanuts as a common and catastrophic threat and cause an allergic reaction. This helps to explain why peanut allergies are prevalent in industrialized Western democracies but are not prevalent in developing nations. #1 also may be amplified by #2 and #3.
2. The way we cook and consume peanuts is different than most of the rest of the world. In America, most peanuts are roasted. In Asia, most peanuts are boiled. Boiling tends to be less disruptive to the proteins within the peanut. This, in turn, decreases the possibility of the immune system misidentifying a peanut as a common and catastrophic threat to our body, which simultaneously decreases the likelihood of an allergic reaction.
3. A lack of vitamin D. Vitamin D is critical to enable the immune system to properly identify common and catastrophic threats to our body. Children, who do not get enough sunlight or vitamin D from other sources are increasingly likely to have strong allergic reactions.
4. Contamination. Peanuts are often grown near cotton. Cotton, which is not a food source, tends to receive a lot more and different types of pesticides than peanuts or other food sources do.
There are a lot of very uninformed and misinformed literature by otherwise smart people on this subject #4. It is a theory, but a lazy, illogical, and generally anti-science theory. It is more probable that #1, #2, #3, two of those, or all three are responsible for the current increase in peanut allergies that we are seeing. It is also worth noting that approximately 80% of children with peanut allergies were first exposed to peanuts in the womb or while breastfeeding. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 24, 2019 23:05:47 GMT -8
That's odd, it keeps leaving out the quote. "But this is a problem that is growing, for some weird reason, in our culture today."Speaking from a purely logical, not emotional, frame of reference... For the same reason so many people wear glasses, are born diabetic, etc. We have developed a means of saving the lives of these people, which allows them to live and pass on the genes that result in these conditions. In the past people with an allergy as serious as Lauren would have died from it at a young age. Now we have Epi-pens (That are outrageously priced, but that's a Porch discussion...) that keep them alive and they perpetuate the condition. 5,000 years ago someone with as bad of eyesight as I have would have starved ages ago. Our science saves us, and in some aspects, weakens us. There are likely environmental issues that contribute, but I haven't seen anything that convinced me of that so far. I believe there are, I just haven't seen data to validate my belief. Kinda' like extra-terrestrial life. With billions of galaxies each having billions of stars, I believe there are other beings out there. But I have yet to come across data that validates my belief.
The Elmira Beaver Still waiting for ET to stop by... As for extra-terrestrial life, there is a theory that we may be the first, that it would have taken the 13 billion years to create a solar system like ours with the abundance of heavy metals and the like and to provide the species on a planet like ours with sufficient time to evolve to this point. (Also, it is interesting to note that even newer stars than our sun have a lot lower abundance of heavy metals.) Additionally, we can talk about billions of billions, but the chances that a species would have developed the technology to travel from one galaxy to another is remote. There are approximately 100-400 billion stars in the Milky Way. Only about 10% are the right general size to generate life as we know it. Of those approximately 2/3 are either too close or too far away from the galactic center to really be favorable to generate life. Approximately 5.5% of those stars have planets. At this point, we are talking about a couple of million stars spread out over 8 trillion cubic light years. Even if 10% of every planet orbiting those stars produced life as we know it, assuming that life-sustaining stars were equally distributed about the galaxy, the closest ET would be approximately 451 light years away. Heinrich Hertz developed the radio wave in 1887, which means that, unless ET just stumbles by our solar system, ET will not know that we are here until 2338. At that point, it would take at least another 451 years to visit Earth, unless ET has developed a workaround to the Theory of Relativity. Now, having said the foregoing, humans have come up with some great ideas recently, the Cannae Drive and the EM Drive for example, so maybe ET is not too far behind/ahead? |
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Post by elmirabeaver on Feb 25, 2019 0:08:53 GMT -8
That's odd, it keeps leaving out the quote. "But this is a problem that is growing, for some weird reason, in our culture today."Speaking from a purely logical, not emotional, frame of reference... For the same reason so many people wear glasses, are born diabetic, etc. We have developed a means of saving the lives of these people, which allows them to live and pass on the genes that result in these conditions. In the past people with an allergy as serious as Lauren would have died from it at a young age. Now we have Epi-pens (That are outrageously priced, but that's a Porch discussion...) that keep them alive and they perpetuate the condition. 5,000 years ago someone with as bad of eyesight as I have would have starved ages ago. Our science saves us, and in some aspects, weakens us. There are likely environmental issues that contribute, but I haven't seen anything that convinced me of that so far. I believe there are, I just haven't seen data to validate my belief. Kinda' like extra-terrestrial life. With billions of galaxies each having billions of stars, I believe there are other beings out there. But I have yet to come across data that validates my belief.
The Elmira Beaver Still waiting for ET to stop by... As for extra-terrestrial life, there is a theory that we may be the first, that it would have taken the 13 billion years to create a solar system like ours with the abundance of heavy metals and the like and to provide the species on a planet like ours with sufficient time to evolve to this point. (Also, it is interesting to note that even newer stars than our sun have a lot lower abundance of heavy metals.) Additionally, we can talk about billions of billions, but the chances that a species would have developed the technology to travel from one galaxy to another is remote. There are approximately 100-400 billion stars in the Milky Way. Only about 10% are the right general size to generate life as we know it. Of those approximately 2/3 are either too close or too far away from the galactic center to really be favorable to generate life. Approximately 5.5% of those stars have planets. At this point, we are talking about a couple of million stars spread out over 8 trillion cubic light years. Even if 10% of every planet orbiting those stars produced life as we know it, assuming that life-sustaining stars were equally distributed about the galaxy, the closest ET would be approximately 451 light years away. Heinrich Hertz developed the radio wave in 1887, which means that, unless ET just stumbles by our solar system, ET will not know that we are here until 2338. At that point, it would take at least another 451 years to visit Earth, unless ET has developed a workaround to the Theory of Relativity. Now, having said the foregoing, humans have come up with some great ideas recently, the Cannae Drive and the EM Drive for example, so maybe ET is not too far behind/ahead? The thing is, when you're dealing with numbers that big, billions of galaxies each with billions of stars, even a tiny fraction of a number, say .00001%, is still a really big number. Hence my belief, without empirical proof, that ET does exist out there somewhere. I also believe that it is vanity to think we are the first planet with life. I'm no statistician, but I'm thinking that's a pretty low percentage bet. I have beliefs, and I trust science/data. They're different animals and I acknowledge that. In my mind, they are not mutually exclusive. The Elmira Beaver Hoping we win the Rose Bowl before ET shows up... |
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Post by mbabeav on Feb 25, 2019 12:16:06 GMT -8
The Sun is a stage 3 star, meaning that it is comprised primarily of the remnants of two prior supernova - neutron star mergings (the two primary ways that elements heavier than iron can be created). There are billions of such stars in the Milky Way, as well as billions of newer stars whose planetary nebula would not have the needed elements.
We are discovering that a great percentage of the stars we can observe have planets, and many have earth-like characteristics - rocky, atmospheres, etc. But most are not in good places to have life form. They are too close to their parent stars and have more radiation risks (no idea how strong their shielding magnetic fields are or if they have an ozone layer in the atmosphere). Not sure about water being present, or if they have a few big brothers like Jupiter and Saturn to deflect comets and meteors, or how old they are.
I would say that the possibility of life on at least one other planet is high, but the probability of human scale intelligence is much lower - we've only been around on this planet for a few 100,000 years, and have only had the ability to contact other planets with light speed radio waves for maybe 120 years - blips that don't even show up on galactic time scales. Even if we were around 10,000 years from now, our ability to detect similarly advanced life forms would involve only a small portion of the galaxy.
I expect, however, that we will find some basic form of life on another planet or large moon in our solar system tho, and that will be enough to confirm in my own mind that somewhere there is another culture, has been another culture or will be another culture wondering about ET.
What this has to do with bringing peanuts into a baseball park I am not sure, but hey, it's Monday and the coffee's kicking in.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 25, 2019 20:43:42 GMT -8
The Sun is a stage 3 star, meaning that it is comprised primarily of the remnants of two prior supernova - neutron star mergings (the two primary ways that elements heavier than iron can be created). There are billions of such stars in the Milky Way, as well as billions of newer stars whose planetary nebula would not have the needed elements. We are discovering that a great percentage of the stars we can observe have planets, and many have earth-like characteristics - rocky, atmospheres, etc. But most are not in good places to have life form. They are too close to their parent stars and have more radiation risks (no idea how strong their shielding magnetic fields are or if they have an ozone layer in the atmosphere). Not sure about water being present, or if they have a few big brothers like Jupiter and Saturn to deflect comets and meteors, or how old they are. I would say that the possibility of life on at least one other planet is high, but the probability of human scale intelligence is much lower - we've only been around on this planet for a few 100,000 years, and have only had the ability to contact other planets with light speed radio waves for maybe 120 years - blips that don't even show up on galactic time scales. Even if we were around 10,000 years from now, our ability to detect similarly advanced life forms would involve only a small portion of the galaxy. I expect, however, that we will find some basic form of life on another planet or large moon in our solar system tho, and that will be enough to confirm in my own mind that somewhere there is another culture, has been another culture or will be another culture wondering about ET. What this has to do with bringing peanuts into a baseball park I am not sure, but hey, it's Monday and the coffee's kicking in. There is some great stuff about stage three stars. In order to have a star like the Sun, you have to have had the leftover over detritus of a previous supernova congeal into a second star and then supernova. You can look at a star like Epsilon Eridani, which is a newer star than the Sun, but which has less heavy elements than our solar system. In order for life to exist as we know it, it would be helpful if it had a moon, which is roughly 1% or larger, when compared to the size of its planet. Having said that, life could certainly exist in a different form on a moon like Europa or Titan. And life could similarly exist on another moon or planet like Europa or Titan in another solar system. However, it would probably be like nothing that we could imagine. I personally think that we are squandering a lot of energy on Mars, when it probably would be better to expend funds exploring the Galilean Moons. |
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