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Jan 8, 2019 11:31:16 GMT -8
Post by mbabeav on Jan 8, 2019 11:31:16 GMT -8
My vote is still for OSU to win the Pac-12. Losing Kat for the season is a big loss, but this team has the depth to cover. I walk with Scott and the team right into the Final 4 again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 12:49:24 GMT -8
What are you smoking? Without an interior presence for rebounding, shot-blocking, and scoring we have very little chance of even getting in the top 2 of the conference. Next year should be a different story, but this year it would take gigantic performances from Destiny and/or Pivec to do that. We have consistently displayed a real vulnerability to defenses that put pressure on our outside shooters, so without that interior presence or an exceptional performance by Destiny, we can be shut down offensively. Yeah, if Destiny (as the one individual on our team who can effectively create her own shot) can take the team on her shoulders game after game after game, then it's not impossible that we get into the top 2. However, that's not likely and without Kat we could very well be knocked out of the top 4 in the conference. My hopes this year rested on 6'7" and/or 6'9" filling in for Gulich, but that never happened and that's that.
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Jan 8, 2019 12:57:49 GMT -8
Post by Werebeaver on Jan 8, 2019 12:57:49 GMT -8
What are you smoking? Without an interior presence for rebounding, shot-blocking, and scoring we have very little chance of even getting in the top 2 of the conference. Next year should be a different story, but this year it would take gigantic performances from Destiny and/or Pivec to do that. We have consistently displayed a real vulnerability to defenses that put pressure on our outside shooters, so without that interior presence or an exceptional performance by Destiny, we can be shut down offensively. Yeah, if Destiny (as the one individual on our team who can effectively create her own shot) can take the team on her shoulders game after game after game, then it's not impossible that we get into the top 2. However, that's not likely and without Kat we could very well be knocked out of the top 4 in the conference. My hopes this year rested on 6'7" and/or 6'9" filling in for Gulich, but that never happened and that's that. Deleting your first sentence would actually strengthen your argument/observation. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Jan 8, 2019 13:27:18 GMT -8
This team will go as far as 3 point field goals and solid defense takes it. The defense was never going to be as good as in years past, simply because there's no 'force' in the middle when the perimeter defense gets beat. And, since there's also no great interior scoring threat, defenses can pressure the perimeter more. At the end of the day, we manage to go 10 for 23 on three point shots, we win; 6 for 23, we lose. We're much more one dimensional than we have been, and that's not going to change.
This team will also go as far as Destiny carries it, just as previous teams went as far as Sidney carried them. That woman had an amazing capacity to deliver the key bucket time after time, to just bury a dagger in the opponent's belly. Destiny is going to need to become more selfish, and have a steady stream of games like she did on Sunday.
We shall see. Don't lose heart; this team is still immensely talented, and I certainly expect them no lower than 3rd in conference.
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Jan 8, 2019 13:59:44 GMT -8
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jan 8, 2019 13:59:44 GMT -8
We are definitely going to need more offensively from Katie with Kat out. Sure you can make the argument that Kat didn’t even start, but she was our third-leading scorer. Katie’s shooting percentages have dropped a little since the beginning of the season of course with the exception of the Texas A&M game. We will need more performances like that from her to go as far as we want to. That was one prime example of her putting us on her back and nearly pulling us to the win. We should be better next year, Trish will keep progressing and Andrea, Taylor, and Kennedy are ready to come right in and give us some big post minutes.
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Jan 8, 2019 15:47:51 GMT -8
Post by lotrader on Jan 8, 2019 15:47:51 GMT -8
I agree with the majority view here. Kat was not only our 3rd leading scorer, but also getting 3rd most minutes. Kat's defense gets overlooked because she is such instant offense when she is in the game. Kat's perimeter defense and defensive rebounding will be sorely missed.
Maddie played well defensively Sunday (and on on Friday), but Maddie's offense is hit and miss. JG is still a major work in progress, and not sure OSU is going to get JG to the point where she can contribute significantly in the offense. JG is still very unsure of herself in our offense.
KT MAC needs to put up more 3-pointers and mid-range jumpers...but in the flow of the offense. KT MAC is not a premier one-on-one scorer. KT MAC is terrific if she scores in the flow of the offense. She just needs to shoot when open.
Sunday's game was interesting. I have watched so many WCBB games this season, and, have yet to see a point guard play as well as Destiny did on Sunday vs UW. Can Destiny play at this level consistently, meaning massive production in scoring and assists with few turnovers? Also, Destiny was awesome on defense. Destiny was working extremely hard on defense, keeping in front of her player, moving her feet, anticipating screens, just a great defensive performance. On Friday, Destiny had 2 blocks and 7 rebounds!
Aleah had a poor shooting game Sunday, but I have no doubt Aleah will be a solid performer, only getting better.
This Friday evening will be a great test for OSU, going up against a solid defensive and rebounding team in UCLA. We will know much more about our Lady Beavs after this game. I'm excited to see how they perform in their 1st real road test this weekend. GO BEAVS!
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Jan 8, 2019 16:27:03 GMT -8
Post by thomasg86 on Jan 8, 2019 16:27:03 GMT -8
This team will go as far as 3 point field goals and solid defense takes it. The defense was never going to be as good as in years past, simply because there's no 'force' in the middle when the perimeter defense gets beat. And, since there's also no great interior scoring threat, defenses can pressure the perimeter more. At the end of the day, we manage to go 10 for 23 on three point shots, we win; 6 for 23, we lose. We're much more one dimensional than we have been, and that's not going to change. This team will also go as far as Destiny carries it, just as previous teams went as far as Sidney carried them. That woman had an amazing capacity to deliver the key bucket time after time, to just bury a dagger in the opponent's belly. Destiny is going to need to become more selfish, and have a steady stream of games like she did on Sunday. We shall see. Don't lose heart; this team is still immensely talented, and I certainly expect them no lower than 3rd in conference. Yup, the big difference this year is a true difference maker inside. We have some solid players but they are not Marie or Ruth caliber, and its most glaring on the offensive side of the ball. We are definitely more one dimensional there this year. Should still be a fun season and a top 20 team! |
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Post by beavs6 on Jan 8, 2019 16:34:22 GMT -8
What are you smoking? Without an interior presence for rebounding, shot-blocking, and scoring we have very little chance of even getting in the top 2 of the conference. Next year should be a different story, but this year it would take gigantic performances from Destiny and/or Pivec to do that. We have consistently displayed a real vulnerability to defenses that put pressure on our outside shooters, so without that interior presence or an exceptional performance by Destiny, we can be shut down offensively. Yeah, if Destiny (as the one individual on our team who can effectively create her own shot) can take the team on her shoulders game after game after game, then it's not impossible that we get into the top 2. However, that's not likely and without Kat we could very well be knocked out of the top 4 in the conference. My hopes this year rested on 6'7" and/or 6'9" filling in for Gulich, but that never happened and that's that. Cohibas...in celebration after we win the PAC-12. Smoke 'em if you got 'em |
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Jan 8, 2019 17:00:01 GMT -8
Post by ricke71 on Jan 8, 2019 17:00:01 GMT -8
Agreed, third place in PAC would be a satisfactory result.
HOWEVER, if just one key player happens to make huge strides in the next month (candidates are Freshman Simmons, or Sophomores Goodman or Corosdale), I think the Beav women could challenge for first place. I believe that NOW is that point in a season when a break-out performance is most likely to occur.
Feb. 8 at Palo Alto & Feb. 15/18 home & home v. tsdtr will tell the tale.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 8, 2019 17:17:06 GMT -8
Agreed, third place in PAC would be a satisfactory result. HOWEVER, if just one key player happens to make huge strides in the next month (candidates are Freshman Simmons, or Sophomores Goodman or Corosdale), I think the Beav women could challenge for first place. I believe that NOW is that point in a season when a break-out performance is most likely to occur. Feb. 8 at Palo Alto & Feb. 15/18 home & home v. tsdtr will tell the tale. IMHO... the only player that could make a significant difference in OSU's fortunes is Morris. As of now she's on the floor(literally... sprawled) more than filling the stat sheet, so honestly don't see her being a factor until her Jr season (if she is still here... she'll get passed up by future recruits!). Maddy plays hard, has improved but has the body of a wing, game of a 5. She can't guard quality bigs. JT was never really going to be a factor. When AA was deemed a RS it truly changed the season. Destiny can't "carry" a team. It's counterproductive to how OSU operates and is one reason Katie is struggling. There is far far too much dribbling at times, the offense looks out of sync on too many possessions. The ladies should be 2-0, but, didn't look all that good overall being on their home court vs two teams that will likely win 8-12 conference games between them. Unless this team is getting 36+points from 3 on a consistent basis I'm not sure a purely one dimensional team will hold up. I'm not sure the D can win games when the offense does have that inside presence. I've never liked the chances of teams that live by the three/ outside game. When they're falling it's fun, but.... |
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 8, 2019 17:59:00 GMT -8
Agreed, third place in PAC would be a satisfactory result. HOWEVER, if just one key player happens to make huge strides in the next month (candidates are Freshman Simmons, or Sophomores Goodman or Corosdale), I think the Beav women could challenge for first place. I believe that NOW is that point in a season when a break-out performance is most likely to occur. Feb. 8 at Palo Alto & Feb. 15/18 home & home v. tsdtr will tell the tale. IMHO... the only player that could make a significant difference in OSU's fortunes is Morris. As of now she's on the floor(literally... sprawled) more than filling the stat sheet, so honestly don't see her being a factor until her Jr season (if she is still here... she'll get passed up by future recruits!). Maddy plays hard, has improved but has the body of a wing, game of a 5. She can't guard quality bigs. JT was never really going to be a factor. When AA was deemed a RS it truly changed the season. Destiny can't "carry" a team. It's counterproductive to how OSU operates and is one reason Katie is struggling. There is far far too much dribbling at times, the offense looks out of sync on too many possessions. The ladies should be 2-0, but, didn't look all that good overall being on their home court vs two teams that will likely win 8-12 conference games between them. Unless this team is getting 36+points from 3 on a consistent basis I'm not sure a purely one dimensional team will hold up. I'm not sure the D can win games when the offense does have that inside presence. I've never liked the chances of teams that live by the three/ outside game. When they're falling it's fun, but.... Agreed. Of course - ALL of the opinions expressed here are "humble". I'm just (orange-colored glasses afflicted) thinking that somewhere from this roster there might be a Kolbie Orum/Devan Hunter type 'break-out' at some position on the court, be it a 1 or a 3/4. Maybe it might not be Jasmine or Aleah or Taya...Maybe it's Maddie! (I don't think it will be Janessa or Grymek). p.s. I live in a world where there is no ceiling for either a Scott Rueck, or a Pat Casey, Magical Mystery Occurrence . |
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Jan 8, 2019 18:04:58 GMT -8
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 8, 2019 18:04:58 GMT -8
IMHO... the only player that could make a significant difference in OSU's fortunes is Morris. As of now she's on the floor(literally... sprawled) more than filling the stat sheet, so honestly don't see her being a factor until her Jr season (if she is still here... she'll get passed up by future recruits!). Maddy plays hard, has improved but has the body of a wing, game of a 5. She can't guard quality bigs. JT was never really going to be a factor. When AA was deemed a RS it truly changed the season. Destiny can't "carry" a team. It's counterproductive to how OSU operates and is one reason Katie is struggling. There is far far too much dribbling at times, the offense looks out of sync on too many possessions. The ladies should be 2-0, but, didn't look all that good overall being on their home court vs two teams that will likely win 8-12 conference games between them. Unless this team is getting 36+points from 3 on a consistent basis I'm not sure a purely one dimensional team will hold up. I'm not sure the D can win games when the offense does have that inside presence. I've never liked the chances of teams that live by the three/ outside game. When they're falling it's fun, but.... Agreed. Of course - ALL of the opinions expressed here are "humble". I'm just (orange-colored glasses afflicted) thinking that somewhere from this roster there might be a Kolbie Orum/Devan Hunter type 'break-out' at some position on the court, be it a 1 or a 3/4. Maybe it might not be Jasmine or Aleah or Taya...Maybe it's Maddie! (I don't think it will be Janessa or Grymek). p.s. I live in a world where there is no ceiling for either a Scott Rueck, or a Pat Casey, Magical Mystery Occurrence . Pat Bailey? |
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Jan 8, 2019 18:30:22 GMT -8
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jan 8, 2019 18:30:22 GMT -8
I think that at this point, Taya needs to be both an inside and outside threat. It was fine a season ago when Marie could score 15-20 a game inside. Taya is a great shooter, no doubt there. 7 of her 8 attempts against UW came from behind the arc. She is often the tallest or seco d tallest on the floor. She isn’t a back to the basket player, but can face-up and drive.
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Jan 8, 2019 18:32:57 GMT -8
Post by cageybeav on Jan 8, 2019 18:32:57 GMT -8
This past w-e we saw 2 Destinys. Friday she dished off, got everybody involved. She didn't shoot until the 4th quarter and only scored 5. Sunday (when news about Kat surfaced) she took over from the first possession and looked to score first. It's what her team needed and I would suspect what her Coach ask from her. If Destiny can hold up playing the way she did on Sunday we'll be fine. I won't predict where we finish, because the tournament (NCAA) is where we shine. Ricke, I think I have the house next door.
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Jan 8, 2019 19:32:38 GMT -8
Post by osu82 on Jan 8, 2019 19:32:38 GMT -8
3rd in the Pac12 would be a solid finish for this team. I don't see them challenging for a conference title, and they could well finish down in the middle of the conference too, depending on how the road games go. Realtime has them dropping all road games except the two Washington schools, and that was before the Tudor injury. I'm not sure beating the Washington schools on the road is all that likely either now.
I agree with some of the other posts regarding success this year hinging on the two freshman bigs having some impact on the court and helping shore up the post after Gulich graduated. As Thickhead points out, that didn't happen. We'll go as far as the 3 ball takes us. But, one has to play the games and there are always unexpected outcomes which is what makes basketball such a great sport.
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