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Post by jbjam on Dec 16, 2018 16:41:38 GMT -8
All I feel is bitter apathy. I don't think that makes me a bad fan. I can't watch the games anymore, rag on me all you want. I had season tickets through the JJ era; man those were painful to watch. There were rumors of a lot of solid coaches Bob De Careless passed on. He and Ray deserve a chunk of the blame. I know my view on our former AD is not a popular one here. Other than Champagne Larry I struggle to think of someone who has done less with more.
I don't expect Tinkle to build a solid program. I'd love to be wrong.
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Post by bdudbeaver on Dec 16, 2018 20:10:46 GMT -8
I saw the team in person for the first time this year last night. My impressions: Tres hasn't improved in 3 years In fact, probably less effective. Teams seem to know how to defend him. Stevie hasn't improved either. Shoots well when he is set, and at those times really shoots a set shot. When he is defended, he shoots a "jumper" and is erratic. Though he's made plenty of those in his career at OSU. They still could use a point guard. Lots of dribbling. Unfortunately, it is sometimes rewarded by breaking down the defender, so coach never throws a fit. Team doesn't know how to run a pick and roll. Even when they tried, the pass was late, or too low. If you have a 7 footer rolling to the basket, don't throw it around his knees. When Vernon shoots, it looks good leaving his hands. And it was going in. I miss the days when players could actually take and make a 15 footer. Sure makes the high-low offense more effective.
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Post by jdogge on Dec 17, 2018 0:04:37 GMT -8
true fact: ooc schedule isn't even done yet. It's not impossible the team will improve enough to get a winning season in Pac 12. Yes that seems far fetched and would have to reverse a long trend, but there is enough scoring and shooting and rebounding on the team to make it happen. Major changes need to occur however, in a short term span. The current paradigm is clearly not working. Losses to inferior teams is just the clue. The actual problem is the way the team is losing. The team is playing to it's weaknesses and ignoring it's strengths. For example, Good shooters (Tres and Stevie) are passing up threes to penetrate, neither guy has the athletic ability or handle to be a penetrator. Ethan Thompson is clearly the best player on the team. Can Tres and Stevie defer to this fact and screen for him instead of going on solo missions? Tres needs to either stay out on the arc and wait for a pass or crash the boards. If he puts the ball on the floor he needs to be pulled out of the game. Stevie: same thing. Set up on the arc and be a sniper. You are not a penetrator.
Kylor Kelley: You got two fouls yesterday because you jumped to block a shot. All of your blocks come with feet on the ground. Don't jump on D! You have to stay in the game to be effective. Hollins: you need to calm down and let the game come to you. 1 turnover quickly becomes 5 when you lose your head. Quick leash. Reichle: why do you have a scholarship when you don't play hard? Look up scrappy in the dictionary. It's not a sometimes thing. Above all this team needs to stop dribbling and start passing the ball with intention. Although i hated Wayne' excuse about inexperienced players (Wayne your three experienced players accounted for 14 turnovers yesterday) i did like him recognizing they are not doing simple things like "meeting the pass. " Time to bench guys who don't do that, even if they are coach's sons. Oh FFS! People need to get a grip. Or smoke some loco weed and mellow out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 6:35:32 GMT -8
Here's the recap from eggers. He thinks post season play is still a possibility ( if KK doesn't leave his feet to get dumb fouls).
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Post by TheGlove on Dec 17, 2018 8:23:01 GMT -8
it's too late, my s%#t's been lost. the season is over.
there's no chance to make the ncaa's which should be the minimum goal for this program, every year.
we have enough evidence right now to show there is no improvement in the overall team performance since last year.
i will let you all parse every detail, stat, poll, article, etc. but its clear to me that this team will not make the big dance.
i hope they prove me wrong.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 17, 2018 9:13:22 GMT -8
it's too late, my s%#t's been lost. the season is over. there's no chance to make the ncaa's which should be the minimum goal for this program, every year. we have enough evidence right now to show there is no improvement in the overall team performance since last year. i will let you all parse every detail, stat, poll, article, etc. but its clear to me that this team will not make the big dance. i hope they prove me wrong. You better find another team considering we've made it once in the last 28 or so years.
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Post by TheGlove on Dec 17, 2018 9:48:18 GMT -8
it's too late, my s%#t's been lost. the season is over. there's no chance to make the ncaa's which should be the minimum goal for this program, every year. we have enough evidence right now to show there is no improvement in the overall team performance since last year. i will let you all parse every detail, stat, poll, article, etc. but its clear to me that this team will not make the big dance. i hope they prove me wrong. You better find another team considering we've made it once in the last 28 or so years. You'd think I would, but I hate myself too much.
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Post by ochobeavo on Dec 17, 2018 10:09:52 GMT -8
Here's the recap from eggers. He thinks post season play is still a possibility ( if KK doesn't leave his feet to get dumb fouls). KK leaving his feet should be about 20th on the list of issues (if on the list at all) and about 18 spots behind “perimeter defenders who are completely unathletic, soft, slow and can’t stay in front of their man”. We get some guys who can play D and suddenly KK isn’t alone on an island. Exact same thing that’s been going on for a few years now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 10:23:37 GMT -8
Here's the recap from eggers. He thinks post season play is still a possibility ( if KK doesn't leave his feet to get dumb fouls). KK leaving his feet should be about 20th on the list of issues (if on the list at all) and about 18 spots behind “perimeter defenders who are completely unathletic, soft, slow and can’t stay in front of their man”. We get some guys who can play D and suddenly KK isn’t alone on an island. Exact same thing that’s been going on for a few years now. Of course there is other sh!t going wrong too but KK getting in foul trouble is a very real factor in the two recent losses. The very moment when KK leaves the game (usually early when he gets his second foul) the other team starts scoring. Beavs got off to a decent start and were playing very good D. Then pffffffffffffffft. He simply needs to stay in the game. OS hasn't had a shot blocker/shot alterer like him since xxxxx xxxxxxx in the late x0's.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 10:38:17 GMT -8
it's too late, my s%#t's been lost. the season is over. there's no chance to make the ncaa's which should be the minimum goal for this program, every year. we have enough evidence right now to show there is no improvement in the overall team performance since last year. i will let you all parse every detail, stat, poll, article, etc. but its clear to me that this team will not make the big dance. i hope they prove me wrong. You better find another team considering we've made it once in the last 28 or so years. hey remember who that coach was.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 17, 2018 10:45:06 GMT -8
You better find another team considering we've made it once in the last 28 or so years. hey remember who that coach was. And towards the end there were people calling for him to be canned because he was a "dinosaur".
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Post by OSUprof on Dec 17, 2018 10:50:08 GMT -8
Here's another way to look at the current state of the program and the fan indifference toward the sport.
In the last 28 seasons from 1990-91 to last season OSU has had: 4 seasons > 0.500 4 seasons at 0.500 20 seasons < 0.500 1 NCAA appearance 1 NIT appearance
In the 28 seasons from 1962-63 to 1989-90 OSU had: 21 seasons > 0.500 2 seasons at 0.500 5 seasons < 0.500 12 NCAA appearances 3 NIT appearances
After having more than a generation of excellence in the sport, OSU fans have experienced a generation of ineptitude in men's basketball. You can't blame coaches, athletic directors, presidents, players, and the litany of other excuses for multiple decades of failure. They all changed over time but the results are the same.
The biggest impediment holding back OSU's athletics and the fan base is the attitude that "we can't.” This is our program and we need to demand more than we’re getting and until fans realize this, we'll get more of the same. If you want better accountability from your sports programs, you're going to have to ask for it - over and over again.
And stop listening to the folks that are making excuses for the status quo. Tinkle's seat should be smoking hot right now - it's time for him to prove that he's got the right stuff, right now.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 17, 2018 10:56:45 GMT -8
hey remember who that coach was. And towards the end there were people calling for him to be canned because he was a "dinosaur". Tinkle is a dinosaur? I was not aware of that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 11:10:51 GMT -8
Here's another way to look at the current state of the program and the fan indifference toward the sport.
In the last 28 seasons from 1990-91 to last season OSU has had: 4 seasons > 0.500 4 seasons at 0.500 20 seasons < 0.500 1 NCAA appearance 1 NIT appearance
In the 28 seasons from 1962-63 to 1989-90 OSU had: 21 seasons > 0.500 2 seasons at 0.500 5 seasons < 0.500 12 NCAA appearances 3 NIT appearances
After having more than a generation of excellence in the sport, OSU fans have experienced a generation of ineptitude in men's basketball. You can't blame coaches, athletic directors, presidents, players, and the litany of other excuses for multiple decades of failure. They all changed over time but the results are the same.
The biggest impediment holding back OSU's athletics and the fan base is the attitude that "we can't.” This is our program and we need to demand more than we’re getting and until fans realize this, we'll get more of the same. If you want better accountability from your sports programs, you're going to have to ask for it - over and over again.
And stop listening to the folks that are making excuses for the status quo. Tinkle's seat should be smoking hot right now - it's time for him to prove that he's got the right stuff, right now.
all props to you and your research and to your sudden demands for a smoking hot seat. But what is that going to do exactly right now? Doubt Barnes walking in to Tinkle's office and saying hey everybody's yelling at me because you aren't making progress- doubt that is going to get the coaches coaching better or the team playing better. It might but that kind of in season tough talk doesn't usually achieve those ends. That's an end of season discussion isn't it?
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Post by messi on Dec 17, 2018 11:30:27 GMT -8
Here's another way to look at the current state of the program and the fan indifference toward the sport.
In the last 28 seasons from 1990-91 to last season OSU has had: 4 seasons > 0.500 4 seasons at 0.500 20 seasons < 0.500 1 NCAA appearance 1 NIT appearance
In the 28 seasons from 1962-63 to 1989-90 OSU had: 21 seasons > 0.500 2 seasons at 0.500 5 seasons < 0.500 12 NCAA appearances 3 NIT appearances
After having more than a generation of excellence in the sport, OSU fans have experienced a generation of ineptitude in men's basketball. You can't blame coaches, athletic directors, presidents, players, and the litany of other excuses for multiple decades of failure. They all changed over time but the results are the same.
The biggest impediment holding back OSU's athletics and the fan base is the attitude that "we can't.” This is our program and we need to demand more than we’re getting and until fans realize this, we'll get more of the same. If you want better accountability from your sports programs, you're going to have to ask for it - over and over again.
And stop listening to the folks that are making excuses for the status quo. Tinkle's seat should be smoking hot right now - it's time for him to prove that he's got the right stuff, right now.
all props to you and your research and to your sudden demands for a smoking hot seat. But what is that going to do exactly right now? Doubt Barnes walking in to Tinkle's office and saying hey everybody's yelling at me because you aren't making progress- doubt that is going to get the coaches coaching better or the team playing better. It might but that kind of in season tough talk doesn't usually achieve those ends. That's an end of season discussion isn't it? He wouldn't need to say anything. Just print out a sheet that lists the record for each season after GPII departed, and have two columns underneath. One titled, "Coaches' Sons" and the other "Rest of Team", and list all the averages per game.
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