BeaverNut23
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Post by BeaverNut23 on Dec 15, 2018 13:30:04 GMT -8
Unlv's stadium would be a good Site to host it, so would the Las Vegas Raiders stadium. But I'd prefer the Las Vegas UNLV Stadium since not many people will show up on a Friday or a saturday to see a pac12 football championship game in early December.
Or maybe the new rams/chargers Stadium could host the pac12 championship game?
I hate the idea of a pac12 team hosting the championship game, cuz it give the home team leverage and even gives them a chance "influence" the refs.
The Big 10 has a neutral championship site
SEC (sorta, if Georgia is in the championship game) has a neutral championship site.
ACC has a neutral championship site
The pac12 should always keep the championship game neutral along with the other power5 conferences
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 15, 2018 16:58:09 GMT -8
Unlv's stadium would be a good Site to host it, so would the Las Vegas Raiders stadium. But I'd prefer the Las Vegas UNLV Stadium since not many people will show up on a Friday or a saturday to see a pac12 football championship game in early December. Or maybe the new rams/chargers Stadium could host the pac12 championship game? I hate the idea of a pac12 team hosting the championship game, cuz it give the home team leverage and even gives them a chance "influence" the refs. The Big 10 has a neutral championship site SEC (sorta, if Georgia is in the championship game) has a neutral championship site. ACC has a neutral championship site The pac12 should always keep the championship game neutral along with the other power5 conferences UNLV’s stadium is awful. 10 miles from the strip in the middle of nowhere. The new stadium would be fine, but you would have to wait a couple of years |
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Post by seastape on Dec 15, 2018 22:35:40 GMT -8
The Pac 12 Championship game should be played at the higher seeded team's home stadium.
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Post by ag87 on Dec 16, 2018 20:04:37 GMT -8
Unlv's stadium would be a good Site to host it, so would the Las Vegas Raiders stadium. But I'd prefer the Las Vegas UNLV Stadium since not many people will show up on a Friday or a saturday to see a pac12 football championship game in early December. Or maybe the new rams/chargers Stadium could host the pac12 championship game? I hate the idea of a pac12 team hosting the championship game, cuz it give the home team leverage and even gives them a chance "influence" the refs. The Big 10 has a neutral championship site SEC (sorta, if Georgia is in the championship game) has a neutral championship site. ACC has a neutral championship site The pac12 should always keep the championship game neutral along with the other power5 conferences Agree with Smails below above. You need to attend a game at Sam Boyd Stadium. I'm 100% sure you'd change your opinion. |
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Post by nabeav on Dec 18, 2018 7:55:49 GMT -8
Las Vegas makes a lot of sense. Already play the hoops tourney there.
Can’t believe I’m going to say this, but I agree with BeaverNut. Play it at a neutral site. On campus may sell more tickets, but when you’re already facing a “small time conference” perception, you can’t make a move that makes you look small time.
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 18, 2018 9:17:49 GMT -8
Las Vegas makes a lot of sense. Already play the hoops tourney there. Can’t believe I’m going to say this, but I agree with BeaverNut. Play it at a neutral site. On campus may sell more tickets, but when you’re already facing a “small time conference” perception, you can’t make a move that makes you look small time. What makes you look MORE small time? Playing in a stadium that's 1/3 full, or playing a game at a home field? I don't have the answers, but clearly, neither does Larry Scott. |
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Post by nabeav on Dec 18, 2018 10:42:28 GMT -8
kersting13 - presently, I'm not sure what the answer is either....but I doubt you'd sell out half the stadiums in the conference for a home P12 championship at the moment either. I think the best bet is to lock up the venue then start investing in the teams to make them worthy of filling a stadium in Vegas. You can tarp off the upper decks and force everyone down low if you have to so it looks decent on TV. Sure there will be some sportswriters snarkily taking photos of the tarps and posting them online, but the general perception will be better.
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Post by ochobeavo on Dec 18, 2018 11:22:54 GMT -8
kersting13 - presently, I'm not sure what the answer is either....but I doubt you'd sell out half the stadiums in the conference for a home P12 championship at the moment either. I think the best bet is to lock up the venue then start investing in the teams to make them worthy of filling a stadium in Vegas. You can tarp off the upper decks and force everyone down low if you have to so it looks decent on TV. Sure there will be some sportswriters snarkily taking photos of the tarps and posting them online, but the general perception will be better. I think Vegas make great sense (look at all of us agreeing with Beavernut!). Pac-12 schools are just geographically located too far apart, it's never going to be easy to draw for the championship game. I believe the SEC championship game is less than a 5 hour drive for maybe 9 or 10 of the 14 schools, just a couple hours from Athens, Tuscaloosa and Auburn. Certainly a lot easier for a family to make that road trip than paying to fly. So with that said, having somewhere like Vegas where there's also a tourism draw/reasonably priced flights can't really hurt IMO. Also, Sam Boyd is terrible and a P12 championship game being held at a Mountain West Stadium does sound very Larry Scott. The LV Raiders stadium is just across the overpass from Mandalay Bay. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 18, 2018 11:41:00 GMT -8
kersting13 - presently, I'm not sure what the answer is either....but I doubt you'd sell out half the stadiums in the conference for a home P12 championship at the moment either. I think the best bet is to lock up the venue then start investing in the teams to make them worthy of filling a stadium in Vegas. You can tarp off the upper decks and force everyone down low if you have to so it looks decent on TV. Sure there will be some sportswriters snarkily taking photos of the tarps and posting them online, but the general perception will be better. I think Vegas make great sense (look at all of us agreeing with Beavernut!). Pac-12 schools are just geographically located too far apart, it's never going to be easy to draw for the championship game.I believe the SEC championship game is less than a 5 hour drive for maybe 9 or 10 of the 14 schools, just a couple hours from Athens, Tuscaloosa and Auburn. Certainly a lot easier for a family to make that road trip than paying to fly. So with that said, having somewhere like Vegas where there's also a tourism draw/reasonably priced flights can't really hurt IMO. Also, Sam Boyd is terrible and a P12 championship game being held at a Mountain West Stadium does sound very Larry Scott. The LV Raiders stadium is just across the overpass from Mandalay Bay. Well, history seems to show the opposite, excluding Stanford. No surprise there really with that "fan" base. Only USC Stanford has come close to drawing as many in Levi Stadium as at Whoregon or Tempe. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-12_Football_Championship_Game |
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Post by ochobeavo on Dec 18, 2018 11:46:02 GMT -8
I think Vegas make great sense (look at all of us agreeing with Beavernut!). Pac-12 schools are just geographically located too far apart, it's never going to be easy to draw for the championship game.I believe the SEC championship game is less than a 5 hour drive for maybe 9 or 10 of the 14 schools, just a couple hours from Athens, Tuscaloosa and Auburn. Certainly a lot easier for a family to make that road trip than paying to fly. So with that said, having somewhere like Vegas where there's also a tourism draw/reasonably priced flights can't really hurt IMO. Also, Sam Boyd is terrible and a P12 championship game being held at a Mountain West Stadium does sound very Larry Scott. The LV Raiders stadium is just across the overpass from Mandalay Bay. Well, history seems to show the opposite, excluding Stanford. No surprise there really with that "fan" base. Only USC Stanford has come close to drawing as many in Levi Stadium as at Whoregon or Tempe. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-12_Football_Championship_GameNever say never, eh? DOH! That's interesting. I had no idea that they once drew 69K. Either way, I'm gonna double down on the Vegas idea though. Pun intended! |
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Post by nabeav on Dec 18, 2018 13:54:26 GMT -8
I think Vegas make great sense (look at all of us agreeing with Beavernut!). Pac-12 schools are just geographically located too far apart, it's never going to be easy to draw for the championship game.I believe the SEC championship game is less than a 5 hour drive for maybe 9 or 10 of the 14 schools, just a couple hours from Athens, Tuscaloosa and Auburn. Certainly a lot easier for a family to make that road trip than paying to fly. So with that said, having somewhere like Vegas where there's also a tourism draw/reasonably priced flights can't really hurt IMO. Also, Sam Boyd is terrible and a P12 championship game being held at a Mountain West Stadium does sound very Larry Scott. The LV Raiders stadium is just across the overpass from Mandalay Bay. Well, history seems to show the opposite, excluding Stanford. No surprise there really with that "fan" base. Only USC Stanford has come close to drawing as many in Levi Stadium as at Whoregon or Tempe. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-12_Football_Championship_GameIn none of the three years that the P12FCG was played on campus was it the most attended game of the season. In 2011, there were 3 games at Autzen that outdrew the FCG. In 2012, it was the lowest attended game at Stanford Stadium by 10,000 fans. In 2013, ASU had 3K fewer at the FCG than they did for the Territorial Cup the week before against an unranked 7-4 Arizona squad. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 18, 2018 14:47:50 GMT -8
In none of the three years that the P12FCG was played on campus was it the most attended game of the season. In 2011, there were 3 games at Autzen that outdrew the FCG. In 2012, it was the lowest attended game at Stanford Stadium by 10,000 fans. In 2013, ASU had 3K fewer at the FCG than they did for the Territorial Cup the week before against an unranked 7-4 Arizona squad. Um, great! Thanks...but that wasn't the question. |
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Post by TheGlove on Dec 18, 2018 15:43:15 GMT -8
Neutral site is the way to go.
Easier to plan versus trying to organize the week before.
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Post by nabeav on Dec 18, 2018 16:07:36 GMT -8
In none of the three years that the P12FCG was played on campus was it the most attended game of the season. In 2011, there were 3 games at Autzen that outdrew the FCG. In 2012, it was the lowest attended game at Stanford Stadium by 10,000 fans. In 2013, ASU had 3K fewer at the FCG than they did for the Territorial Cup the week before against an unranked 7-4 Arizona squad. Um, great! Thanks...but that wasn't the question. I was mostly posting in agreement with the person that said it's never going to be easy to draw for the championship game. I would say that the fact that they were all outdrawn the previous week in a game with far lower stakes at the home venue, that seems to be true. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 18, 2018 16:43:12 GMT -8
Um, great! Thanks...but that wasn't the question. I was mostly posting in agreement with the person that said it's never going to be easy to draw for the championship game. I would say that the fact that they were all outdrawn the previous week in a game with far lower stakes at the home venue, that seems to be true. Oregon, Stanford and ASU had larger regular-season crowds than the Pac-12 championship game they hosted because more time to plan to attend those games was available. Still, 2 of the 3 on-campus games easily outdrew this year's game and the Stanford game was a push. No way were there 35K at this year's game, even with a first-time competitor (Utah) and a fan base that generally travels well (UW). On-campus draws better, and rewards the team that earned home-field advantage in the regular season. It's the way to go, if the Pac-12 wants to put some life back in the game. |
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