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Post by beavsteve on Oct 8, 2018 23:04:47 GMT -8
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Oct 9, 2018 6:53:54 GMT -8
It sounds like she has completed her transformation from a turtle to a beaver. I can't wait to see her on the court in orange and black.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 8:37:57 GMT -8
So would we ever have her play defense against Ionescu? Or is her height too great an impediment? Is her height a huge issue any time the opponent has tall guards? I really suspect we'd use our defensive ace, Jasmine, since Ionescu wouldn't be able to post up on Jasmine. (And yes, I know Jasmine hasn't shown us anything yet on the court, but I can see it very clearly in my own thick head.) I think Jazz would love the challenge.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Oct 9, 2018 10:09:43 GMT -8
Go point on point in which case Destiny would guard Cazorla.
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Post by lotrader on Oct 9, 2018 15:10:34 GMT -8
So would we ever have her play defense against Ionescu? Or is her height too great an impediment? Is her height a huge issue any time the opponent has tall guards? I really suspect we'd use our defensive ace, Jasmine, since Ionescu wouldn't be able to post up on Jasmine. (And yes, I know Jasmine hasn't shown us anything yet on the court, but I can see it very clearly in my own thick head.) I think Jazz would love the challenge. OSU has multiple defenders that can slow down Sabrina: Pivec, McWilliams, maybe Kat, and hopefully Jasmine Simmons. I'm sure Sabrina will see multiple OSU defenders during the course of our games with the WBB Ducks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 15:13:42 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 15:17:39 GMT -8
So would we ever have her play defense against Ionescu? Or is her height too great an impediment? Is her height a huge issue any time the opponent has tall guards? I really suspect we'd use our defensive ace, Jasmine, since Ionescu wouldn't be able to post up on Jasmine. (And yes, I know Jasmine hasn't shown us anything yet on the court, but I can see it very clearly in my own thick head.) I think Jazz would love the challenge. OSU has multiple defenders that can slow down Sabrina: Pivec, McWilliams, maybe Kat, and hopefully Jasmine Simmons. I'm sure Sabrina will see multiple OSU defenders during the course of our games with the WBB Ducks. The troops you mention didn't do it very well last year. 35 pts in the first game, 15 points and 11 assists in the second game. Figuring out how to stop Ionescu appears to be a work in progress.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Oct 9, 2018 15:45:35 GMT -8
OSU has multiple defenders that can slow down Sabrina: Pivec, McWilliams, maybe Kat, and hopefully Jasmine Simmons. I'm sure Sabrina will see multiple OSU defenders during the course of our games with the WBB Ducks. The troops you mention didn't do it very well last year. 35 pts in the first game, 15 points and 11 assists in the second game. Figuring out how to stop Ionescu appears to be a work in progress. Ionescu is a special talent and is projected by many to be taken #1 overall in the 2019 WBNA Draft if she remains healthy and opts to turn pro after her junior season in Eugene. Despite the 35 points that Sabrina dropped in the Ducks' loss to OSU in January in Corvallis, she had to take 27 shots from the field to generate that point total. She shot 11/27 (40.7%) from the field in that game, but her scoring was padded by an 11/12 performance from the free throw line that night. I remember watching that game and wondering how a sophomore from a visiting team was getting so many favorable calls at Gill Coliseum. The refs respect her talent and give her the benefit of the doubt on many palming/not palming calls as well as touch fouls when she flails. Ionescu was more efficient during the Ducks' win over the Beavs two nights later as she shot 6/11 from the field to produce her 15 points in that game. For the two games, Ionescu was a combined 17/38 (44.7%) from the field. The Beavs have to make Ionescu play defense and must attack her body this season. She is not as physically strong as Slocum and Pivec. Ionescu can be overpowered by stronger, more physical guards if/when the Ducks play man-to-man defense. I recommend that the Beavers attack Ionescu and make her play on both ends of the court. She is crafty and typically avoids foul trouble. However, I would love to see several Beavers attack her off the dribble when they have one-on-one opportunities this season. Several OSU players will have the opportunity to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 6:39:30 GMT -8
The troops you mention didn't do it very well last year. 35 pts in the first game, 15 points and 11 assists in the second game. Figuring out how to stop Ionescu appears to be a work in progress. Despite the 35 points that Sabrina dropped in the Ducks' loss to OSU in January in Corvallis, she had to take 27 shots from the field to generate that point total. She shot 11/27 (40.7%) from the field in that game, but her scoring was padded by an 11/12 performance from the free throw line that night. Her shooting might have been 11/27 because she was being fouled, accounting for her 11/12 free throw shooting. So I wouldn't say her "scoring was padded". IOW, you can't claim that it was great OSU defense that limited her to 40.7% when we achieved that by fouling her and then giving back the points on those missed shots at the free throw line. Simple fact is that our defense can't shut her down. Pivec and McWilliams are no match for her.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Oct 10, 2018 7:26:12 GMT -8
Despite the 35 points that Sabrina dropped in the Ducks' loss to OSU in January in Corvallis, she had to take 27 shots from the field to generate that point total. She shot 11/27 (40.7%) from the field in that game, but her scoring was padded by an 11/12 performance from the free throw line that night. Her shooting might have been 11/27 because she was being fouled, accounting for her 11/12 free throw shooting. So I wouldn't say her "scoring was padded". IOW, you can't claim that it was great OSU defense that limited her to 40.7% when we achieved that by fouling her and then giving back the points on those missed shots at the free throw line. Simple fact is that our defense can't shut her down. Pivec and McWilliams are no match for her. Apparently thickhead is not aware of the fact that missed shots while being fouled are not counted as official shots. If the basket is made on a shot attempt when being fouled, then the shot counts as an official shot. Ionescu missed 16 shots against the Beavs in the first game last season in which she wasn't fouled. Thickhead can look up the rules of official statistics and learn a little bit more about the game of basketball. The post above from thickhead shows some ignorance about the rules of the game. However, that typically doesn't stop thickhead from sharing his negative perceptions about specific players and what he chose to remember about that first OSU-Oregon game last season. That game was an overtime classic in which the Beavs (with Tudor and Gulich leading the way) pulled off a quality win against a Top 10 opponent. There was no claim in my post that "great" defense was played on Ionescu last season. That was thickhead's quote above. I simply try to fill in the gaps when thickhead puts his slants on revisionist history. I try to provide some often-needed balance and allow stats to help tell a more complete story. I noted in my post above that Ionescu's 35 points in the first game came on 27 shots and encouraged the Beavers to attack Ionescu more frequently this season on the offensive end so that she is forced to play on both ends of the court.
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Post by lotrader on Oct 10, 2018 8:19:06 GMT -8
When the OSU WBB plays "man-to-man" defense, it really is a modified man-to-man, when the opposing offensive player gets into the key (basket area). Rueck's defense is designed to bring the penetrating opposing player into the shot blocker's domain, where that opposing player,at a minimum, will have to change their shot arc or angle in order for that shot not to be blocked. Even when Gabbby Hanson was on the team, Gabby was very skillful at directing a penetrating guard to Ruth or Marie. Sabrina (and UO) are expert at setting high screens and Sabrina is expert at rubbing off those screens and creating enough space and time to get off a quality shot just outside of the OSU BIGs. I thought OSU did a wonderful job against Sabrina. Sabrina got a lot of calls from the ref, which sent her to the free throw line. This is where OSU has to be better, not fouling Sabrina when she penetrates. I have high hopes for OSU, if OSU's new BIGS, get schooled quickly at learning how "not to foul", and being effective of changing the penetrating player's shot.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 10, 2018 8:32:50 GMT -8
She is a career 43% shooter, which is her average in four games against OSU (30-69). Last year she shot 47%, but only 44% (17-38) against us.
She takes a TON of shots, she's the centerpiece of their offense. She also gets the benefit of the doubt on numerous calls, including a late foul called on McWilliams last year in the Corvallis game that was an obvious flop that gave her a 3-shot opportunity. The officials also overlook her constant carrying of the ball, which is especially blatant on her "crossover" (carryover) move.
For all her greatness, she is 1-3 vs. OSU in her career. We certainly recruited her, but she's the perfect fit for uo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 8:36:58 GMT -8
Her shooting might have been 11/27 because she was being fouled, accounting for her 11/12 free throw shooting. So I wouldn't say her "scoring was padded". IOW, you can't claim that it was great OSU defense that limited her to 40.7% when we achieved that by fouling her and then giving back the points on those missed shots at the free throw line. Simple fact is that our defense can't shut her down. Pivec and McWilliams are no match for her. Apparently thickhead is not aware of the fact that missed shots while being fouled are not counted as official shots. If the basket is made on a shot attempt when being fouled, then the shot counts as an official shot. Ionescu missed 16 shots against the Beavs in the first game last season in which she wasn't fouled. Thickhead can look up the rules of official statistics and learn a little bit more about the game of basketball. The post above from thickhead shows some ignorance about the rules of the game. However, that typically doesn't stop thickhead from sharing his negative perceptions about specific players and what he chose to remember about that first OSU-Oregon game last season. That game was an overtime classic in which the Beavs (with Tudor and Gulich leading the way) pulled off a quality win against a Top 10 opponent. There was no claim in my post that "great" defense was played on Ionescu last season. That was thickhead's quote above. I simply try to fill in the gaps when thickhead puts his slants on revisionist history. I try to provide some often-needed balance and allow stats to help tell a more complete story. I noted in my post above that Ionescu's 35 points in the first game came on 27 shots and encouraged the Beavers to attack Ionescu more frequently this season on the offensive end so that she is forced to play on both ends of the court. I was mistaken about counting shot attempts, true. However, probably the majority of the fouls against Ionescu were in her attempts to score and therefore prevented her from getting a shot off. Therefore, if the fouls had not occurred, she likely would have had more made shots, improving her shooting percentage. So her numerous free throw attempts are, to some extent, indicative of fouls that are pulling down her field goal percentage. Bottom line is that we can't shut her down. That is NOT a "negative perception about specific players". It's a simple fact that our players can't effectively keep her down. If I said player "B" should guard Ionescu because player "A" can't do it effectively, then you would presumably berate me for mentioning "A" by name because that indicates a negative view of her. I think you are being far too limiting in what you would allow to be discussed about our players' relative skills and limitations. Should we pretend that we're living in Lake Wobegon, where "all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are above average"?
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 10, 2018 9:05:25 GMT -8
Apparently thickhead is not aware of the fact that missed shots while being fouled are not counted as official shots. If the basket is made on a shot attempt when being fouled, then the shot counts as an official shot. Ionescu missed 16 shots against the Beavs in the first game last season in which she wasn't fouled. Thickhead can look up the rules of official statistics and learn a little bit more about the game of basketball. The post above from thickhead shows some ignorance about the rules of the game. However, that typically doesn't stop thickhead from sharing his negative perceptions about specific players and what he chose to remember about that first OSU-Oregon game last season. That game was an overtime classic in which the Beavs (with Tudor and Gulich leading the way) pulled off a quality win against a Top 10 opponent. There was no claim in my post that "great" defense was played on Ionescu last season. That was thickhead's quote above. I simply try to fill in the gaps when thickhead puts his slants on revisionist history. I try to provide some often-needed balance and allow stats to help tell a more complete story. I noted in my post above that Ionescu's 35 points in the first game came on 27 shots and encouraged the Beavers to attack Ionescu more frequently this season on the offensive end so that she is forced to play on both ends of the court. I was mistaken about counting shot attempts, true. However, probably the majority of the fouls against Ionescu were in her attempts to score and therefore prevented her from getting a shot off. Therefore, if the fouls had not occurred, she likely would have had more made shots, improving her shooting percentage. So her numerous free throw attempts are, to some extent, indicative of fouls that are pulling down her field goal percentage. Bottom line is that we can't shut her down. That is NOT a "negative perception about specific players". It's a simple fact that our players can't effectively keep her down. If I said player "B" should guard Ionescu because player "A" can't do it effectively, then you would presumably berate me for mentioning "A" by name because that indicates a negative view of her. I think you are being far too limiting in what you would allow to be discussed about our players' relative skills and limitations. Should we pretend that we're living in Lake Wobegon, where "all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are above average"? Dude... quit digging! Shooting more shots doesn't mean she'll make more shots. Her overall percentage is based on 100's of shots, four-six more attempts won't change that fact. She could have easily missed all of those attempts if not fouled. Again... being fouled doesn't "pull down" a FG % as explained... they do not count as attempts AND there is no correlation to being fouled and the shot being made. IN FACT... if you go by her shooting %, being fouled increases her scoring opportunities... she shoots a higher % from the line than the field. If she was fouled on (6) attempts... and shot 11/12 = 11 points. Her FG % of around 41% on those same (6) attempts would lead to 2.4 FGs = 4.8 possible points. So, the lack of fouls would not increase her FG% and at the same time decreases her scoring probability. And... winning the game is the ultimate "shut down". Forcing her to have to shoot 27 attempts and making only 11 is in a way shutting a "team" down. They are one dimensional and predictable. Many teams use the "let him/her get theirs" when facing an elite player and shutting down everyone else. The game is about the W, not the stat column. You think SR or any player in the locker room cares how many she scores if they get the W? Do you think SI thought she had a better first game with a loss?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 9:10:10 GMT -8
Dude... quit digging! Shooting more shots doesn't mean she'll make more shots. Her overall percentage is based on 100's of shots, four-six more attempts won't change that fact. She could have easily missed all of those attempts if not fouled. "Dude... quit digging!" Sounds like a good plan!
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