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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 27, 2018 9:09:57 GMT -8
Can't go to his right, can't hit a three, plays out of control at times. Not sure how you become the best player in the Pac-12 with those attributes. Best player on OSU's team I agree. But not best in conference. He will make all-conference because he will get great stats playing on a .500 team with not many scoring options. 6th best scorer in the league last year 7th best RPG in the league last year 10th best APG in the league last year Even if he is the only guy on a garbage team, he is well rounded. Best in the league? who knows. He is undoubtedly top 10, and I would argue undoubtedly top 5. You left out 7th in steals per game, although he was only 25th in blocks per game.
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Post by ag87 on Aug 27, 2018 10:16:07 GMT -8
Stats and more stats - these are from Ken Pom's site. Take it for what you will. Tres Tinkle's conference only rankings: percentage of minutes, 4; offensive rating, 24; effective field goal percentage, 17; true shooting percentage, 11; offensive rebounding percentage, 20; defensive rebounding percentage, 21; assist rate, 10; block percentage and steal percentage, both 21; fouls drawn per 40 minutes, 17; free throw rate, 18; free throw %, 4; 2pt field goal %, 14. Seems to be like a jack of all trades.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 13:36:57 GMT -8
Stats and more stats - these are from Ken Pom's site. Take it for what you will. Tres Tinkle's conference only rankings: percentage of minutes, 4; offensive rating, 24; effective field goal percentage, 17; true shooting percentage, 11; offensive rebounding percentage, 20; defensive rebounding percentage, 21; assist rate, 10; block percentage and steal percentage, both 21; fouls drawn per 40 minutes, 17; free throw rate, 18; free throw %, 4; 2pt field goal %, 14. Seems to be like a jack of all trades. assist rate 10. So lets not hear an more of this ball hog nonsense.
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 27, 2018 14:05:26 GMT -8
Stats and more stats - these are from Ken Pom's site. Take it for what you will. Tres Tinkle's conference only rankings: percentage of minutes, 4; offensive rating, 24; effective field goal percentage, 17; true shooting percentage, 11; offensive rebounding percentage, 20; defensive rebounding percentage, 21; assist rate, 10; block percentage and steal percentage, both 21; fouls drawn per 40 minutes, 17; free throw rate, 18; free throw %, 4; 2pt field goal %, 14. Seems to be like a jack of all trades. assist rate 10. So lets not hear an more of this ball hog nonsense. First, not sure I've heard TT called a "ball hog". Second, stats can be "made" to day whatever you want. Assist "rate" is a completely fabricated ESTIMATE based on actual assists vs hoops made by teammates scaled by PT. Not hoops the player's assist accounted for, but every made basket then scaled for playing time. Hence, if you play a high % of team minutes and have a team that doesn't score particularly well your assist rate is inflated. 2.5/2.3 A to TO ratio is not good for a guy with the ball in his hands a bunch. That said OSU doesn't find a balance and better distribution TT is on pace to be a 1800+ point scorer and top 5 in that category in 129+ (hopefully) games or so.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 8:11:55 GMT -8
assist rate 10. So lets not hear an more of this ball hog nonsense. First, not sure I've heard TT called a "ball hog". Second, stats can be "made" to day whatever you want. Assist "rate" is a completely fabricated ESTIMATE based on actual assists vs hoops made by teammates scaled by PT. Not hoops the player's assist accounted for, but every made basket then scaled for playing time. Hence, if you play a high % of team minutes and have a team that doesn't score particularly well your assist rate is inflated. 2.5/2.3 A to TO ratio is not good for a guy with the ball in his hands a bunch. That said OSU doesn't find a balance and better distribution TT is on pace to be a 1800+ point scorer and top 5 in that category in 129+ (hopefully) games or so. bennyskid Freshman * bennyskid Avatar Posts: 613 Likes: 394Male Aug 17, 2018 at 1:55pm ag87 likes this QuotelikePost Options Post by bennyskid on Aug 17, 2018 at 1:55pm There's no way you can win with just two players accounting for 40% of the starts, either. I did a quick look of the bottom 10 teams in last year's RPI, and in every case their top two players had 40% of the starts. You would think that Coach Tinkle would spread it around better. Just scanning the Pac-12, it looks like on average over all the teams, the top two players typically account for 35-45% of FGA's. According to ESPN, our two ball-hogs took 45.6% of our shots, which is somewhat higher than average but hardly outrageously so.
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 28, 2018 8:20:40 GMT -8
First, not sure I've heard TT called a "ball hog". Second, stats can be "made" to day whatever you want. Assist "rate" is a completely fabricated ESTIMATE based on actual assists vs hoops made by teammates scaled by PT. Not hoops the player's assist accounted for, but every made basket then scaled for playing time. Hence, if you play a high % of team minutes and have a team that doesn't score particularly well your assist rate is inflated. 2.5/2.3 A to TO ratio is not good for a guy with the ball in his hands a bunch. That said OSU doesn't find a balance and better distribution TT is on pace to be a 1800+ point scorer and top 5 in that category in 129+ (hopefully) games or so. bennyskid Freshman * bennyskid Avatar Posts: 613 Likes: 394Male Aug 17, 2018 at 1:55pm ag87 likes this QuotelikePost Options Post by bennyskid on Aug 17, 2018 at 1:55pm There's no way you can win with just two players accounting for 40% of the starts, either. I did a quick look of the bottom 10 teams in last year's RPI, and in every case their top two players had 40% of the starts. You would think that Coach Tinkle would spread it around better. Just scanning the Pac-12, it looks like on average over all the teams, the top two players typically account for 35-45% of FGA's. According to ESPN, our two ball-hogs took 45.6% of our shots, which is somewhat higher than average but hardly outrageously so. Ha... implies WT needs to "spread it around"... not sure if "ball hog" was more on coaches rather than players??
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 8:31:21 GMT -8
bennyskid Freshman * bennyskid Avatar Posts: 613 Likes: 394Male Aug 17, 2018 at 1:55pm ag87 likes this QuotelikePost Options Post by bennyskid on Aug 17, 2018 at 1:55pm There's no way you can win with just two players accounting for 40% of the starts, either. I did a quick look of the bottom 10 teams in last year's RPI, and in every case their top two players had 40% of the starts. You would think that Coach Tinkle would spread it around better. Just scanning the Pac-12, it looks like on average over all the teams, the top two players typically account for 35-45% of FGA's. According to ESPN, our two ball-hogs took 45.6% of our shots, which is somewhat higher than average but hardly outrageously so. Ha... implies WT needs to "spread it around"... not sure if "ball hog" was more on coaches rather than players?? honestly what if the idea is to get TT to shoot it more? That's not a bad idea.
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 28, 2018 8:36:34 GMT -8
Ha... implies WT needs to "spread it around"... not sure if "ball hog" was more on coaches rather than players?? honestly what if the idea is to get TT to shoot it more? That's not a bad idea. Depends... if he ups his 3 pt% and overall while getting it in the flow of an "offense"... assuming there will be one?!
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