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Post by bvrbooster on Dec 30, 2023 21:48:18 GMT -8
So, tell us Judge. Precisely how do NIL contracts work? The ones that my hypothetical car dealer would enter into. You saying he can't make any stipulations? How, exactly, is what I've said wrong? They can’t have any playing implications. I’ve only said this 10 times. Reading is fundamental. I never said the kid had to play; I said he had to be a member of the team in good standing. Only this and nothing more. Does that pass muster with you? And you never addressed the question of when payments must be made. And what about either party canceling the agreement? |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 30, 2023 22:15:16 GMT -8
With all this crap I'm going to have to watch more high school football. Unfortunately nil has infected that level to Yes. Any fool that pays a HS athlete deserves to be separated from their money imo. Lol... yeah, NIL from a HS player gets how much more biz for a company? How many youngsters ask for the local HS star to show at their bday? And, at the basis of NIL is the $ being "made off" athletes. Show me where that happens in HS? |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 30, 2023 22:23:15 GMT -8
They can’t have any playing implications. I’ve only said this 10 times. Reading is fundamental. I never said the kid had to play; I said he had to be a member of the team in good standing. Only this and nothing more. Does that pass muster with you? And you never addressed the question of when payments must be made. And what about either party canceling the agreement? Who said there are "payments"? Every NIL deal is unique. As simple as $25 for a bday party. A free car lease for the school year... no money involved. A % of merch sales that's based on merch being sold whenever. A % of rent/lease for apartment complex built by the NIL. Each contract has it's own specifics and as stated most players do not have deals. |
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Post by bdc101 on Dec 30, 2023 22:41:27 GMT -8
Judge keeps saying "that's not how contracts work" because if it was written in the contract it was illegal. It must not be written in the contract which is submitted to the school. The NCAA says NIL deals can't require playing at a particular institution.
But it doesn't have to be written in the contract to be part of the deal.
Likewise, playing a certain number of games, plays, or minutes doesn't have to be written in the contract to be part of the deal.
You guys who think this isn't happening are delusional. These are the scummiest people on the planet - the people who were paying Reggie Bush, Cam Newton, etc under the table. They are just able to do it much easier now.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 30, 2023 22:50:11 GMT -8
Judge keeps saying "that's not how contracts work" because if it was written in the contract it was illegal. It must not be written in the contract which is submitted to the school. The NCAA says NIL deals can't require playing at a particular institution. But it doesn't have to be written in the contract to be part of the deal. Likewise, playing a certain number of games, plays, or minutes doesn't have to be written in the contract to be part of the deal. You guys who think this isn't happening are delusional. These are the scummiest people on the planet - the people who were paying Reggie Bush, Cam Newton, etc under the table. They are just able to do it much easier now. Lol... lots of stuff is "happening". But, if what you want to claim was on any regularity it'd come out as soon as any player decided not to. Plus, if it wasn't "in" the contract it's he said, she said... no way to ever prove. And, using your "logic" it'd be happening with the best players. Yet those are the ones opting out for whatever reason. And, at upper tier, elite schools with huge NIL organizations. Hmmm... so let us know when come across ONE, just one example. Rumors don't count. |
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Post by bdc101 on Dec 30, 2023 23:05:21 GMT -8
It's funny how you think that there would be gobs of examples floating around the internet with evidence of illegal 7-figure deals that would torpedo 9-figure football programs. I'm sure that the players and the boosters making illegal deals like this, like the programs tampering (contacting players before they enter the portal) are maybe a teensy bit concerned about losing their deals AND getting their program and the player sanctioned.
Just like the tampering, which everyone knows is happening, the pay-for-play is happening. Whether contracts include playing bowl games or not, well, when I get my first college NIL deal I will let you know.
On3 even rates all college athletes with a dollar amount based on their "performance index," or value to a roster, separately from their "brand value" or the value of an athlete in sponsorship deals. But I'm sure it's just a fantasy that people would ever cheat like that. I for one trust that the trustworthy Phil Knight, magnanimous employer of children in sweatshops all around the world, would never cheat that way.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 30, 2023 23:45:35 GMT -8
On3 even states their site has "valuations". They are not real values players get.
You actually think there are multitudes of "7 figure" deals? Lol
I've already cited actual, factual studies from several schools that reported school data.
But... hoops national champ, football bowl team, ranked VB team:
"...80 different Jayhawks have brokered more than 170 total NIL deals since July 1 through the end of January (2022). In addition, Goff said at least one athlete from all 17 of KU’s varsity sports had received an NIL opportunity and that the average transaction value per deal was $2,728.
“(That’s) heavily skewed by maybe the handful of five-figure men’s basketball deals,” Goff added. “Nothing in the six figures."
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"NCAA Division I athletes reportedly earned an average of $3,711 in the first year of NIL. Just over $4100 in year 2."
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"Apparel & Accessories accounted for more than 70% of total sponsorships in both 2021 and 2022 where merch was exchanged for athletes' endorsements on multiple media outlets. Snapchat, Twitter, Instagram being the leaders."
NIL is an issue. It's exaggerated by a few big deals (that actually involve multiple "deals"). And, regulation policies are wanted by all involved... and are being worked on.
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 31, 2023 19:55:42 GMT -8
This thread needs to say the words out loud.
Name. Image. Likeness. that is what NIL means. Players are allowed to earn money on their name, their image and their likeness. It doesn't even have to have anything to do with the sport they are playing at all! it can be for some complete other reason.
Just like everything else in the world, what makes a player's name, image and likeness worth more than other players entirely depends on a wide range of factors. Did anybody else notice how Oregon State just beat the s%#t out of USC in Basketball the other night but the only highlights you saw from ESPN, or on instagram was of two or three big plays from Bronny?
Bronny had 14 points in a blowout game to a profoundly medicore OSU basketball team... yet he is still all over media while 3 OSU players outscored him. He is certainly a pretty talented freshman basketball players, but he has zero of this attention if not for his dad.
Life ain't fair, and pretty women gymnasts can make bank in this system. it is what it is.
But what it isn't... is anything dependent on on-field performance or anything to do with the team itself. It is the player's NAME. the player's IMAGE and the player's LIKENESS.
All these withholds and contingencies people are talking about keep missing the fundamental point.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 31, 2023 20:53:19 GMT -8
This thread needs to say the words out loud. Name. Image. Likeness. that is what NIL means. Players are allowed to earn money on their name, their image and their likeness. It doesn't even have to have anything to do with the sport they are playing at all! it can be for some complete other reason. Just like everything else in the world, what makes a player's name, image and likeness worth more than other players entirely depends on a wide range of factors. Did anybody else notice how Oregon State just beat the s%#t out of USC in Basketball the other night but the only highlights you saw from ESPN, or on instagram was of two or three big plays from Bronny? Bronny had 14 points in a blowout game to a profoundly medicore OSU basketball team... yet he is still all over media while 3 OSU players outscored him. He is certainly a pretty talented freshman basketball players, but he has zero of this attention if not for his dad. Life ain't fair, and pretty women gymnasts can make bank in this system. it is what it is. But what it isn't... is anything dependent on on-field performance or anything to do with the team itself. It is the player's NAME. the player's IMAGE and the player's LIKENESS. All these withholds and contingencies people are talking about keep missing the fundamental point. Thank you. Exactly what I was saying, but I think your post was clearer. |
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Post by bdc101 on Jan 1, 2024 7:59:37 GMT -8
But what it isn't... is anything dependent on on-field performance or anything to do with the team itself. It is the player's NAME. the player's IMAGE and the player's LIKENESS. All these withholds and contingencies people are talking about keep missing the fundamental point. Sorry, are you saying players are not being paid to play for particular teams, and paid depending on how valuable they are to those teams? If so I've got a bridge in China I'd like to sell you.
Nobody is arguing that players are getting paid based on Name, Image, and Likeness. The problem is there are so many loopholes in the system that the vast majority of NIL contracts are given for players to play for particular teams.
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Post by ag87 on Jan 1, 2024 9:08:06 GMT -8
I agree with this. In my opinion NIL is primarily pay for play. Let's use a local example. Jordan Pope reportedly got an NIL deal to stay here and not transfer. We can argue about the amount whether it's 5k or 100k. But if it's for NIL uses, what is Pope doing? Is he on a local commercial? Is he on a Les Schwab (for example) billboard? Rgeorge says some of the NIL deals are $100 to show up at my kids birthday party. Has Pope arrived at a rich grass seed grower's grandson's b-day party and received fifty 100-dollar-bills? Again, in my opinion, but the Caleb Wiiliams tv commercial for the financial services company is the exception.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 1, 2024 10:10:57 GMT -8
But what it isn't... is anything dependent on on-field performance or anything to do with the team itself. It is the player's NAME. the player's IMAGE and the player's LIKENESS. All these withholds and contingencies people are talking about keep missing the fundamental point. Sorry, are you saying players are not being paid to play for particular teams, and paid depending on how valuable they are to those teams? If so I've got a bridge in China I'd like to sell you.
Nobody is arguing that players are getting paid based on Name, Image, and Likeness. The problem is there are so many loopholes in the system that the vast majority of NIL contracts are given for players to play for particular teams.
Not saying that at all. I am saying NIL is not a contract with the school or dependent on their performance which is the fundamental thing people are arguing it is and should be affected if a player opts out. NIL contracts are inequitable. Major programs have more deep pocketed sponsors that can pay for NIL deals. The school, however, is not doing anything other than continuing to win at football and do what their donors tell them. |
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Post by bdc101 on Jan 1, 2024 17:11:24 GMT -8
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Post by obf on Jan 3, 2024 10:12:48 GMT -8
Why is there 4 posts on this thread about Cooper declaring for the NFL (NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE) and then 3 and a half pages of somewhat inane argument of NIL (Name Image Likeness)  As for the original topic... I for one don't begrudge Cooper at all, either for going to the NFL, or for opting out of a meaningless bowl game to protect himself OR for taking the trip to El Paso (which, as far as I see, hasn't actually been confirmed that he was even there, and certainly didn't take a spot or time from any other player). Based on the twitter post he made, Oregon State Marketing clearly helped him make the image he posted, so they obviously knew, and knew for a while. If OSU, and the coaches didn't have a problem with him going, even though they knew he was opting for the NFL, then I don't. In fact I LIKE that he wanted to be with his teammates even though he wouldn't be playing. None of us know if he practiced at all and "took time" from others, all we know is that his timing of announcement was a little later than others. |
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 3, 2024 12:26:23 GMT -8
Why is there 4 posts on this thread about Cooper declaring for the NFL (NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE) and then 3 and a half pages of somewhat inane argument of NIL (Name Image Likeness) As for the original topic... I for one don't begrudge Cooper at all, either for going to the NFL, or for opting out of a meaningless bowl game to protect himself OR for taking the trip to El Paso (which, as far as I see, hasn't actually been confirmed that he was even there, and certainly didn't take a spot or time from any other player). Based on the twitter post he made, Oregon State Marketing clearly helped him make the image he posted, so they obviously knew, and knew for a while. If OSU, and the coaches didn't have a problem with him going, even though they knew he was opting for the NFL, then I don't. In fact I LIKE that he wanted to be with his teammates even though he wouldn't be playing. None of us know if he practiced at all and "took time" from others, all we know is that his timing of announcement was a little later than others. LOL come on man, you're not new to message boards. RARELY does a thread more than 10 posts long stay on topic, lol |
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