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Post by grackle on Dec 30, 2023 5:53:46 GMT -8
With Jonathan Smith as his likely role model, I'm surprised that Cooper didn't convince most of th rest of the team to quit just before the kickoff as well.
And yes, I'm still stewing over the WAY JS left. Without the opportunities afforded to JS as a walk-on player, he would never have been offered a job anywhere as an assistant coach. And, of course, who took a chance and gave him his first head coaching job??
So he repays OSU by surreptitiously taking another job. Even worse, he was undoubtedly recruiting current OSU players and assistant coaches to go with him to MSU while he was still on the OSU payroll. Who would ever have guessed that the guy has the loyalty of a streetwalker and the coaching morals of a cheap hooker??
What goes around, comes around. Sooner or later JS will pay the piper for the damage he's done to OSU athletics.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 30, 2023 6:05:53 GMT -8
That’s not how NIL works, so good luck with that. How does it work then? Is the vendor required to pay 100% of the money to the kid on the day the contract becomes effective? Can the vendor not stipulate certain things and pay the money over the 12 months that the contact is in effect for, as happens with a regular job? None of that would make sense. Since neither the NCAA nor the school is a party to the agreement, it would seem logical that the terms are agreed to by the athlete and the company he signs with. Uncle Phil no doubt pays a pretty penny to all the Duck football players. He's not going to pay some kid $100,000 for the full year on September 1, watch the kid quit the team on September 2, get arrested for rape on September 3, and just shrug his shoulders on September 4 and mutter, "Win some, lose some." NIL cannot be tied to performance on the field. The players are paid monthly for doing various things off the field. The contracts are not tied to number of games played. The players still play for the school, not the NIL collective, so the contracts could not specify that the players play in the bowl game.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Dec 30, 2023 11:18:59 GMT -8
How does it work then? Is the vendor required to pay 100% of the money to the kid on the day the contract becomes effective? Can the vendor not stipulate certain things and pay the money over the 12 months that the contact is in effect for, as happens with a regular job? None of that would make sense. Since neither the NCAA nor the school is a party to the agreement, it would seem logical that the terms are agreed to by the athlete and the company he signs with. Uncle Phil no doubt pays a pretty penny to all the Duck football players. He's not going to pay some kid $100,000 for the full year on September 1, watch the kid quit the team on September 2, get arrested for rape on September 3, and just shrug his shoulders on September 4 and mutter, "Win some, lose some." NIL cannot be tied to performance on the field. The players are paid monthly for doing various things off the field. The contracts are not tied to number of games played. The players still play for the school, not the NIL collective, so the contracts could not specify that the players play in the bowl game. Judge, could you pay them biweekly for as long as they are on the team with escalators for the final 2 weeks of December and the first 2 weeks of january?
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Post by gnawitall on Dec 30, 2023 11:30:58 GMT -8
With Jonathan Smith as his likely role model, I'm surprised that Cooper didn't convince most of th rest of the team to quit just before the kickoff as well. And yes, I'm still stewing over the WAY JS left. Without the opportunities afforded to JS as a walk-on player, he would never have been offered a job anywhere as an assistant coach. And, of course, who took a chance and gave him his first head coaching job?? So he repays OSU by surreptitiously taking another job. Even worse, he was undoubtedly recruiting current OSU players and assistant coaches to go with him to MSU while he was still on the OSU payroll. Who would ever have guessed that the guy has the loyalty of a streetwalker and the coaching morals of a cheap hooker?? What goes around, comes around. Sooner or later JS will pay the piper for the damage he's done to OSU athletics. From the recliner in his million(s) dollar home.
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Post by bvrbooster on Dec 30, 2023 13:27:21 GMT -8
How does it work then? Is the vendor required to pay 100% of the money to the kid on the day the contract becomes effective? Can the vendor not stipulate certain things and pay the money over the 12 months that the contact is in effect for, as happens with a regular job? None of that would make sense. Since neither the NCAA nor the school is a party to the agreement, it would seem logical that the terms are agreed to by the athlete and the company he signs with. Uncle Phil no doubt pays a pretty penny to all the Duck football players. He's not going to pay some kid $100,000 for the full year on September 1, watch the kid quit the team on September 2, get arrested for rape on September 3, and just shrug his shoulders on September 4 and mutter, "Win some, lose some." NIL cannot be tied to performance on the field. The players are paid monthly for doing various things off the field. The contracts are not tied to number of games played. The players still play for the school, not the NIL collective, so the contracts could not specify that the players play in the bowl game. Maybe can't be tied to playing, but it can certainly be tied to being on the team. That's what you're paying for - DJ the quarterback of OSU, not DJ the former OSU student and quarterback who will now be thousands of miles away. And, continuing to use DJ as an example, who the hell is going to continue to pay him in Oregon for 5 minutes after he announces he's leaving? Kids who are legitimately injured, or redshirted, or just never get playing time like Gulbranson are still very much a part of the team. Kids who enter the portal or opt out are not; they have quit the team. Just like many companies pay out the 'Christmas' bonus in May, those paying NIL can spread it out over the entire academic year or calendar year as they see fit. Those who wouldn't do that are fools.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 30, 2023 15:09:26 GMT -8
NIL cannot be tied to performance on the field. The players are paid monthly for doing various things off the field. The contracts are not tied to number of games played. The players still play for the school, not the NIL collective, so the contracts could not specify that the players play in the bowl game. Maybe can't be tied to playing, but it can certainly be tied to being on the team. That's what you're paying for - DJ the quarterback of OSU, not DJ the former OSU student and quarterback who will now be thousands of miles away. And, continuing to use DJ as an example, who the hell is going to continue to pay him in Oregon for 5 minutes after he announces he's leaving? Kids who are legitimately injured, or redshirted, or just never get playing time like Gulbranson are still very much a part of the team. Kids who enter the portal or opt out are not; they have quit the team. Just like many companies pay out the 'Christmas' bonus in May, those paying NIL can spread it out over the entire academic year or calendar year as they see fit. Those who wouldn't do that are fools. Nope. It has zero to do with being on the team. The NIL deals are paid for name, image and likeness, not anything to do with the team. Why do you think DJU still had a deal with Beats headphones after he left Clemson? He continued that deal when he came here. The deals cannot stipulate anything to do with the team. Why do you think Arch Manning has a huge NIL deal? He doesn’t even play and it has nothing to do with his deal. They can’t put any stipulations in regarding anything to do with the actual sport.
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Post by bdc101 on Dec 30, 2023 15:22:35 GMT -8
Maybe can't be tied to playing, but it can certainly be tied to being on the team. That's what you're paying for - DJ the quarterback of OSU, not DJ the former OSU student and quarterback who will now be thousands of miles away. And, continuing to use DJ as an example, who the hell is going to continue to pay him in Oregon for 5 minutes after he announces he's leaving? Kids who are legitimately injured, or redshirted, or just never get playing time like Gulbranson are still very much a part of the team. Kids who enter the portal or opt out are not; they have quit the team. Just like many companies pay out the 'Christmas' bonus in May, those paying NIL can spread it out over the entire academic year or calendar year as they see fit. Those who wouldn't do that are fools. Nope. It has zero to do with being on the team. The NIL deals are paid for name, image and likeness, not anything to do with the team. Why do you think DJU still had a deal with Beats headphones after he left Clemson? He continued that deal when he came here. The deals cannot stipulate anything to do with the team. Why do you think Arch Manning has a huge NIL deal? He doesn’t even play and it has nothing to do with his deal. They can’t put any stipulations in regarding anything to do with the actual sport. That's not true at all. An NIL collective pays players and if they don't play for the team anymore they will lose the NIL money. It's true that SOME contracts come from businesses unaffiliated with universities (and might stay with the athlete after they transfer) but how do you explain NIL collectives that ARE affiliated with universities? Do you really think they don't have a written and binding contract that says, if you transfer you don't get paid?
The problem is that it's called Name, Image, and Likeness, making people think that the money is for Name, Image, and Likeness, (i.e. the athlete receiving money to plug a product or service) but since it's completely unregulated, boosters use NIL deals for pay-for-play and that's probably what 99% of the NIL money is being effectively used for.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 30, 2023 15:30:34 GMT -8
Nope. It has zero to do with being on the team. The NIL deals are paid for name, image and likeness, not anything to do with the team. Why do you think DJU still had a deal with Beats headphones after he left Clemson? He continued that deal when he came here. The deals cannot stipulate anything to do with the team. Why do you think Arch Manning has a huge NIL deal? He doesn’t even play and it has nothing to do with his deal. They can’t put any stipulations in regarding anything to do with the actual sport. That's not true at all. An NIL collective pays players and if they don't play for the team anymore they will lose the NIL money. It's true that SOME contracts come from businesses unaffiliated with universities (and might stay with the athlete after they transfer) but how do you explain NIL collectives that ARE affiliated with universities? Do you really think they don't have a written and binding contract that says, if you transfer you don't get paid?
The problem is that it's called Name, Image, and Likeness, making people think that the money is for Name, Image, and Likeness, (i.e. the athlete receiving money to plug a product or service) but since it's completely unregulated, boosters use NIL deals for pay-for-play and that's probably what 99% of the NIL money is being effectively used for.
There are no NIL collectives that ARE affiliated with Universities. They are completely separate entities. They have to be. They can say they are the NIL collective for the university, but they have zero to do with the university. They cannot mandate anything in their contracts that has to do with playing at a specific university. Believe me, I know the guy that runs “ours” The NIL money is not for “playing”
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Post by speakthetruth on Dec 30, 2023 15:41:47 GMT -8
That's not true at all. An NIL collective pays players and if they don't play for the team anymore they will lose the NIL money. It's true that SOME contracts come from businesses unaffiliated with universities (and might stay with the athlete after they transfer) but how do you explain NIL collectives that ARE affiliated with universities? Do you really think they don't have a written and binding contract that says, if you transfer you don't get paid?
The problem is that it's called Name, Image, and Likeness, making people think that the money is for Name, Image, and Likeness, (i.e. the athlete receiving money to plug a product or service) but since it's completely unregulated, boosters use NIL deals for pay-for-play and that's probably what 99% of the NIL money is being effectively used for.
There are no NIL collectives that ARE affiliated with Universities. They are completely separate entities. They have to be. They can say they are the NIL collective for the university, but they have zero to do with the university. They cannot mandate anything in their contracts that has to do with playing at a specific university. Believe me, I know the guy that runs “ours” The NIL money is not for “playing” That's all fine legalese but if a coach wants a certain player and it takes big bucks from the NIL to get said player the coach is definitely telling the NIL what player to recruit with the money. Even though technically the coach isn't supposed to communicate with the NIL.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 30, 2023 15:46:10 GMT -8
There are no NIL collectives that ARE affiliated with Universities. They are completely separate entities. They have to be. They can say they are the NIL collective for the university, but they have zero to do with the university. They cannot mandate anything in their contracts that has to do with playing at a specific university. Believe me, I know the guy that runs “ours” The NIL money is not for “playing” That's all fine legalese but if a coach wants a certain player and it takes big bucks from the NIL to get said player the coach is definitely telling the NIL what player to recruit with the money. Even though technically the coach isn't supposed to communicate with the NIL. I know that. Just saying the “contracts” actually have zero to do with playing. And, the collective has to be a completely separate entity that is not affiliated with the school. Why do you think backup attractive female athletes that have 2 million followers on instagram get huge NIL deals? It has nothing to do with playing in their sport.
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Post by bdc101 on Dec 30, 2023 15:50:44 GMT -8
That's not true at all. An NIL collective pays players and if they don't play for the team anymore they will lose the NIL money. It's true that SOME contracts come from businesses unaffiliated with universities (and might stay with the athlete after they transfer) but how do you explain NIL collectives that ARE affiliated with universities? Do you really think they don't have a written and binding contract that says, if you transfer you don't get paid?
The problem is that it's called Name, Image, and Likeness, making people think that the money is for Name, Image, and Likeness, (i.e. the athlete receiving money to plug a product or service) but since it's completely unregulated, boosters use NIL deals for pay-for-play and that's probably what 99% of the NIL money is being effectively used for.
There are no NIL collectives that ARE affiliated with Universities. They are completely separate entities. They have to be. They can say they are the NIL collective for the university, but they have zero to do with the university. They cannot mandate anything in their contracts that has to do with playing at a specific university. Believe me, I know the guy that runs “ours” The NIL money is not for “playing” "This $1.2 million check is ... NOT... for playing for the UO, it's just because I want you to sign my shoes" - Phil Knight as he winks at Dante Moore and Dillon Gabriel
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Post by TheGlove on Dec 30, 2023 15:52:14 GMT -8
That's all fine legalese but if a coach wants a certain player and it takes big bucks from the NIL to get said player the coach is definitely telling the NIL what player to recruit with the money. Even though technically the coach isn't supposed to communicate with the NIL. Why do you think backup attractive female athletes that have 2 million followers on instagram get huge NIL deals? Links? 👀
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Post by bdc101 on Dec 30, 2023 15:52:48 GMT -8
Even websites like On3 rate athletes based on their value -- Brand value as well as performance value.
So while the OSU collective is not "affiliated" with OSU, they have no interest in using their money for anything other than getting the athletes they want to play at OSU to actually play at OSU. If you think there is any other reason you are completely delusional.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 30, 2023 15:54:13 GMT -8
There are no NIL collectives that ARE affiliated with Universities. They are completely separate entities. They have to be. They can say they are the NIL collective for the university, but they have zero to do with the university. They cannot mandate anything in their contracts that has to do with playing at a specific university. Believe me, I know the guy that runs “ours” The NIL money is not for “playing” "This $1.2 million check is ... NOT... for playing for the UO, it's just because I want you to sign my shoes" - Phil Knight as he winks at Dante Moore and Dillon Gabriel
Technically yes…..I’m just saying they can’t put stipulations for playing in bowl games or incentives for actually playing in games in the contracts. We know what the $$ is for, they just can’t state that in the documents.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 30, 2023 15:55:11 GMT -8
Even websites like On3 rate athletes based on their value -- Brand value as well as performance value. So while the OSU collective is not "affiliated" with OSU, they have no interest in using their money for anything other than getting the athletes they want to play at OSU to actually play at OSU. If you think there is any other reason you are completely delusional. I don’t, but the contracts can’t make them play in bowl games.
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