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Post by bdc101 on Dec 30, 2023 15:55:21 GMT -8
Why do you think backup attractive female athletes that have 2 million followers on instagram get huge NIL deals? Links? đź‘€
I think this website is all "estimated" numbers, but there are only two women in the top ten. And the top woman is the most followed athlete on social media (a gymnast who actually has sponsorship deals with actual businesses).
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Post by bdc101 on Dec 30, 2023 15:56:20 GMT -8
"This $1.2 million check is ... NOT... for playing for the UO, it's just because I want you to sign my shoes" - Phil Knight as he winks at Dante Moore and Dillon Gabriel
Technically yes…..I’m just saying they can’t put stipulations for playing in bowl games or incentives for actually playing in games in the contracts. We know what the $$ is for, they just can’t state that in the documents. Again, since NIL is completely unregulated and the contracts are entirely private and not required to be reported or made public, there are ABSOLUTELY pay-for-play contracts in many NIL contracts. Even if there are rules to the contrary, which I'm not aware of.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 30, 2023 16:00:01 GMT -8
I think this website is all "estimated" numbers, but there are only two women in the top ten. And the top woman is the most followed athlete on social media (a gymnast who actually has sponsorship deals with actual businesses).
If you look at #10 on the womens list, you will see that she averages a whopping 4 pts per game at Cal. Wonder why she’s getting paid,
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 30, 2023 16:03:09 GMT -8
Technically yes…..I’m just saying they can’t put stipulations for playing in bowl games or incentives for actually playing in games in the contracts. We know what the $$ is for, they just can’t state that in the documents. Again, since NIL is completely unregulated and the contracts are entirely private and not required to be reported or made public, there are ABSOLUTELY pay-for-play contracts in many NIL contracts. Even if there are rules to the contrary, which I'm not aware of. There are rules to the contrary……but, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. However, good luck if you’re an NIL collective and you try to claw back money from a player if they opt out of a bowl game. It wouldn’t be legal according to the rules.
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Post by bvrbooster on Dec 30, 2023 16:59:35 GMT -8
We're talking apples and oranges here, Judge. Beats and Nike are national brands. Beats signs a DJ to try to sell their product ; Nike signs Bo Nix to be at Oregon, and perhaps sell the occasional shoe. Collectives, and regional businesses owned by alums, pay athletes to be on the team at their school, and hopefully play, and play well.
Beats doesn't care where DJ plays, and perhaps even relishes all the press he's getting for transferring again. They have perhaps given him a multiyear deal, hoping he makes it big in the NFL.
Nike damn sure cares where some kid at the U of O plays, and they're going to cut him off in a New York minute if enters the portal.
The successful OSU alum who owns 6 car dealerships in Oregon absolutely, positively cares about the kid he's paying being on the team, and, if the kid quits the team, the gravy train is going to stop - right now. And I would hope a collective would do the same thing.
Claw back money from a kid who opts out of a bowl game? Can't claw back what hasn't been paid, and, if you've paid the full year in advance, you're (as previously stated) a fool.
It's very simple. You give a kid a 12 month contract, paid on the last day of the month. He continues to get paid for as long as he's a member in good standing of the team. In the case of football, you begin the contract on August 1 to include training camp. Kid stays on the team through November, he gets paid for 4 months. Announces on December 6 he's entering the portal or not going to make himself available for any more practices or games, he gets paid for 6/31 of December, and forfeits the payments for the 7 months January thru July.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 30, 2023 17:16:59 GMT -8
Technically yes…..I’m just saying they can’t put stipulations for playing in bowl games or incentives for actually playing in games in the contracts. We know what the $$ is for, they just can’t state that in the documents. Again, since NIL is completely unregulated and the contracts are entirely private and not required to be reported or made public, there are ABSOLUTELY pay-for-play contracts in many NIL contracts. Even if there are rules to the contrary, which I'm not aware of. You actually need to do research. Contracts are indeed regulated and filed with the NCAA. They are not public record. OSU has what amounts to compliance official that over sees every NIL reported by an athlete. If not reported the athlete is done. I'm not finding and reposting an earlier report, but a small % of athletes even get deals. Most are simple service contracts, like $50 for appearing at bday party. The average NIL deal at OSU is close to $5600... total. And that is skewed by Jade's $280k that has zero to do with her being at OSU. BUT... EVERY SINGLE NIL deal is reported and ok'd by the university, then on to the NCAA. Some States have laws that also require disclosure to the Dept Ed. And, most of this discussion that Smails has reiterated has been on this site multiple times. As much as someone wants to make up stuff, #s, or believe sites making up #s... NIL deals aren't completely unregulated. Still not enough control, but not pay to play and not the huge #s folks like to toss around.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 30, 2023 17:19:32 GMT -8
We're talking apples and oranges here, Judge. Beats and Nike are national brands. Beats signs a DJ to try to sell their product ; Nike signs Bo Nix to be at Oregon, and perhaps sell the occasional shoe. Collectives, and regional businesses owned by alums, pay athletes to be on the team at their school, and hopefully play, and play well. Beats doesn't care where DJ plays, and perhaps even relishes all the press he's getting for transferring again. They have perhaps given him a multiyear deal, hoping he makes it big in the NFL. Nike damn sure cares where some kid at the U of O plays, and they're going to cut him off in a New York minute if enters the portal. The successful OSU alum who owns 6 car dealerships in Oregon absolutely, positively cares about the kid he's paying being on the team, and, if the kid quits the team, the gravy train is going to stop - right now. And I would hope a collective would do the same thing. Claw back money from a kid who opts out of a bowl game? Can't claw back what hasn't been paid, and, if you've paid the full year in advance, you're (as previously stated) a fool. It's very simple. You give a kid a 12 month contract, paid on the last day of the month. He continues to get paid for as long as he's a member in good standing of the team. In the case of football, you begin the contract on August 1 to include training camp. Kid stays on the team through November, he gets paid for 4 months. Announces on December 6 he's entering the portal or not going to make himself available for any more practices or games, he gets paid for 6/31 of December, and forfeits the payments for the 7 months January thru July. Again, that’s not how the contracts work, but keep making up s%#t.
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Post by bdc101 on Dec 30, 2023 17:29:09 GMT -8
Again, since NIL is completely unregulated and the contracts are entirely private and not required to be reported or made public, there are ABSOLUTELY pay-for-play contracts in many NIL contracts. Even if there are rules to the contrary, which I'm not aware of. You actually need to do research. Contracts are indeed regulated and filed with the NCAA. They are not public record. OSU has what amounts to compliance official that over sees every NIL reported by an athlete. If not reported the athlete is done. I'm not finding and reposting an earlier report, but a small % of athletes even get deals. Most are simple service contracts, like $50 for appearing at bday party. The average NIL deal at OSU is close to $5600... total. And that is skewed by Jade's $280k that has zero to do with her being at OSU. BUT... EVERY SINGLE NIL deal is reported and ok'd by the university, then on to the NCAA. Some States have laws that also require disclosure to the Dept Ed. And, most of this discussion that Smails has reiterated has been on this site multiple times. As much as someone wants to make up stuff, #s, or believe sites making up #s... NIL deals aren't completely unregulated. Still not enough control, but not pay to play and not the huge #s folks like to toss around. The requirements of reporting NIL contracts to the school or the state are dependent upon state law, conference rules, or school rules. There are no NCAA requirements. That's the current state. Oregon's law "requires student-athletes to disclose NIL contracts to their institution so that the institution can conduct a conflict review." With respect to conflicts of interest. The university is actually barred from acting on many conflicts of interest with other of the university's sponsors.
And just like the rules against tampering and contact, the rules against pay for play are being broken most likely in the vast majority of cases.
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Post by speakthetruth on Dec 30, 2023 17:33:38 GMT -8
With all this crap I'm going to have to watch more high school football. Unfortunately nil has infected that level to
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 30, 2023 17:41:28 GMT -8
We're talking apples and oranges here, Judge. Beats and Nike are national brands. Beats signs a DJ to try to sell their product ; Nike signs Bo Nix to be at Oregon, and perhaps sell the occasional shoe. Collectives, and regional businesses owned by alums, pay athletes to be on the team at their school, and hopefully play, and play well. Beats doesn't care where DJ plays, and perhaps even relishes all the press he's getting for transferring again. They have perhaps given him a multiyear deal, hoping he makes it big in the NFL. Nike damn sure cares where some kid at the U of O plays, and they're going to cut him off in a New York minute if enters the portal. The successful OSU alum who owns 6 car dealerships in Oregon absolutely, positively cares about the kid he's paying being on the team, and, if the kid quits the team, the gravy train is going to stop - right now. And I would hope a collective would do the same thing. Claw back money from a kid who opts out of a bowl game? Can't claw back what hasn't been paid, and, if you've paid the full year in advance, you're (as previously stated) a fool. It's very simple. You give a kid a 12 month contract, paid on the last day of the month. He continues to get paid for as long as he's a member in good standing of the team. In the case of football, you begin the contract on August 1 to include training camp. Kid stays on the team through November, he gets paid for 4 months. Announces on December 6 he's entering the portal or not going to make himself available for any more practices or games, he gets paid for 6/31 of December, and forfeits the payments for the 7 months January thru July. Again, that’s not how the contracts work, but keep making up s%#t. Contracts apply to whatever stipulations both parties agree to. If the contract said, "You must participate in whatever bowl game Team X qualifies for to receive payment for December," then said athlete would not get paid if he opted out. Most NIL contracts for football players probably do not have such a clause. With so many players opting out, decreasing the ROI, that could change in the future.
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Post by speakthetruth on Dec 30, 2023 17:44:29 GMT -8
Stupid me. I'd have been overjoyed with free tuition and room and board especially at today's prices.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 30, 2023 17:59:54 GMT -8
Again, that’s not how the contracts work, but keep making up s%#t. Contracts apply to whatever stipulations both parties agree to. If the contract said, "You must participate in whatever bowl game Team X qualifies for to receive payment for December," then said athlete would not get paid if he opted out. Most NIL contracts for football players probably do not have such a clause. With so many players opting out, decreasing the ROI, that could change in the future. NIL contracts are not permitted to have the clause in them that you specified. So, if, by most, you mean all, then yes.
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 30, 2023 18:51:44 GMT -8
With all this crap I'm going to have to watch more high school football. Unfortunately nil has infected that level to Yes. Any fool that pays a HS athlete deserves to be separated from their money imo.
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Post by bvrbooster on Dec 30, 2023 19:18:41 GMT -8
Contracts apply to whatever stipulations both parties agree to. If the contract said, "You must participate in whatever bowl game Team X qualifies for to receive payment for December," then said athlete would not get paid if he opted out. Most NIL contracts for football players probably do not have such a clause. With so many players opting out, decreasing the ROI, that could change in the future. NIL contracts are not permitted to have the clause in them that you specified. So, if, by most, you mean all, then yes. So, tell us Judge. Precisely how do NIL contracts work? The ones that my hypothetical car dealer would enter into. You saying he can't make any stipulations? How, exactly, is what I've said wrong?
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 30, 2023 21:00:24 GMT -8
NIL contracts are not permitted to have the clause in them that you specified. So, if, by most, you mean all, then yes. So, tell us Judge. Precisely how do NIL contracts work? The ones that my hypothetical car dealer would enter into. You saying he can't make any stipulations? How, exactly, is what I've said wrong? They can’t have any playing implications. I’ve only said this 10 times. Reading is fundamental.
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