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Post by rafer on Dec 31, 2023 8:21:52 GMT -8
Ahhh, I guess we all must bow to the all knowing, all seeing elitist that is regorge, for he has spoken. I seed now any other thoughts and opinions. What were we thinking disagreeing with him/her? I resign in shame and openly admit that it is fool hardy to disagree...........
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Post by ag87 on Dec 31, 2023 8:37:53 GMT -8
Don't worry about rgeorge, he thinks a handful of Colorado OL and some others equals, beavs in the natty next year. The bowl game PROVED that what is left is scary, and not competitive in P5, OL getting man handled DBs coverage, etc.. Can some of them improve, of course, and some will grow a lot, but nothing we saw yesterday said, "look out next year"! I suspect we aren't done losing players yet either, and may find another portal player or two. We're likely 2 or 3 years from knowing where we'll end up, meantime we'll win some MW games and take our lumps in P5, and suffer fan losses which happens when your team loses direction. It's going to be a rough ride for many. Watching now and DL getting mauled, anyone says we're in good shape is ignoring truth. If facts are negative, we're all guilty. . Ahhh... another hyper negative and irrational Beaver "fan". Luckily the people involved in the program think nothing like you and your fellow "G&D" crowd. And, even more importantly none care what you think. And, since I'm guessing you rarely attend games in person, give funds to support OSU or OSU athletics you are just one of those sideline observers that looks for additional things to biotch about in life??! Or do you give and attend thinking that gives you the "fans rights" to be so negative about a future you have no clue about? But, as the "D&G" crowd has stated I do call out doom and gloom BS. As it is almost complete made up, 20/20 hindsight, and consistently one that moves that goals post when wrong. I'll also admit that the very few that consistently proclaim it's the end of OSU athletics as we know it gets me more riled than it should. As truly they are a tiny, miniscule minority on this board. Meaning their at in that 0.005% of total OSU fans. I'd say supporters, but you're not. You and those like you are the epitome of a frontrunner. Everything is rosy when yo see things going well, but the sky is falling and it is a lost cause when tough times hit. Of course we all know who the vast majority of people want to associate with when the tough times hit. And, it wouldn't be the biotching crybabies that continually find negativity in everything. Funny, as I was waiting for the first guy to imply that any wins will be minimized next year because they will be MW games... and of course OSU will struggle in P5 games. A guy already finding negatives in a season that has yet to even take shape. Now of course the other characteristic of the "G&D" crowd is to make up complete BS... they know what will happen in the future from the present, or like you above state ridiculous hyperbole that was never stated by ANYONE on the board. The problem with negative predictions is that there isn't much validity to them mso you do indeed need to make up scenarios to fit your view point. Along with the negativity of course is the complete falsehood and delusion of grandeur that the OSU program was anything more than a lower tier P5 team that had to work it's tail off o maintain any type of relevancy. If the Pac12 had remained intact OSU was never going to be a consistent 8-10 game winner. The current state of college football and the keeping up the the ultra funded was never going to allow OSU to be much more than an occasional blip on the national stage. Yet, you and the "G&D" crowd think that the current situations is going to drastically reduce OSU's, what national profile?? LOL Some actually support OSU and will assist however they can in tough times as well as the prosperous seasons. But, with an unsure future there is a very good chance OSU will emerge in a better overall situation for OSU. Of course, the negative crowd wants to be right so badly they will down play any successes that come. Funny... picking the top 5 D&G you all have some or all of the traits of extreme negativity... at least on this board: - The past dictates the future - Negative info stresses you out enough to vent, often with rationale that has no foundation - Negative perspectives take priority and any other view is unfounded optimism - Success/victory no matter how small is overshadowed by unwanted outcome - Never, always, but are your favorite words - It isn't a single vent, it is constant and multifaceted - You exaggerate negative views my added new ones, no matter how unsubstantiated - Future successes are do to lowering standards - Counters to your views are read/interpreted as extremely personal But, as many say here in many ways... it's a message board... opinions and views are posted... and countered. Bottom line... OSU athletic programs will continue to exist and thrive. That is the goal... for the student athlete and the the University. whoa! from the guy who made the crack, funny because it was true, about historical novellas.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 31, 2023 10:29:59 GMT -8
Ahhh... another hyper negative and irrational Beaver "fan". Luckily the people involved in the program think nothing like you and your fellow "G&D" crowd. And, even more importantly none care what you think. And, since I'm guessing you rarely attend games in person, give funds to support OSU or OSU athletics you are just one of those sideline observers that looks for additional things to biotch about in life??! Or do you give and attend thinking that gives you the "fans rights" to be so negative about a future you have no clue about? But, as the "D&G" crowd has stated I do call out doom and gloom BS. As it is almost complete made up, 20/20 hindsight, and consistently one that moves that goals post when wrong. I'll also admit that the very few that consistently proclaim it's the end of OSU athletics as we know it gets me more riled than it should. As truly they are a tiny, miniscule minority on this board. Meaning their at in that 0.005% of total OSU fans. I'd say supporters, but you're not. You and those like you are the epitome of a frontrunner. Everything is rosy when yo see things going well, but the sky is falling and it is a lost cause when tough times hit. Of course we all know who the vast majority of people want to associate with when the tough times hit. And, it wouldn't be the biotching crybabies that continually find negativity in everything. Funny, as I was waiting for the first guy to imply that any wins will be minimized next year because they will be MW games... and of course OSU will struggle in P5 games. A guy already finding negatives in a season that has yet to even take shape. Now of course the other characteristic of the "G&D" crowd is to make up complete BS... they know what will happen in the future from the present, or like you above state ridiculous hyperbole that was never stated by ANYONE on the board. The problem with negative predictions is that there isn't much validity to them mso you do indeed need to make up scenarios to fit your view point. Along with the negativity of course is the complete falsehood and delusion of grandeur that the OSU program was anything more than a lower tier P5 team that had to work it's tail off o maintain any type of relevancy. If the Pac12 had remained intact OSU was never going to be a consistent 8-10 game winner. The current state of college football and the keeping up the the ultra funded was never going to allow OSU to be much more than an occasional blip on the national stage. Yet, you and the "G&D" crowd think that the current situations is going to drastically reduce OSU's, what national profile?? LOL Some actually support OSU and will assist however they can in tough times as well as the prosperous seasons. But, with an unsure future there is a very good chance OSU will emerge in a better overall situation for OSU. Of course, the negative crowd wants to be right so badly they will down play any successes that come. Funny... picking the top 5 D&G you all have some or all of the traits of extreme negativity... at least on this board: - The past dictates the future - Negative info stresses you out enough to vent, often with rationale that has no foundation - Negative perspectives take priority and any other view is unfounded optimism - Success/victory no matter how small is overshadowed by unwanted outcome - Never, always, but are your favorite words - It isn't a single vent, it is constant and multifaceted - You exaggerate negative views my added new ones, no matter how unsubstantiated - Future successes are do to lowering standards - Counters to your views are read/interpreted as extremely personal But, as many say here in many ways... it's a message board... opinions and views are posted... and countered. Bottom line... OSU athletic programs will continue to exist and thrive. That is the goal... for the student athlete and the the University. whoa! from the guy who made the crack, funny because it was true, about historical novellas. Novella? True. Historical? No. Irrelevant to the topic? Depends on one's level of "G&D".
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Post by 93beav on Jan 1, 2024 9:15:31 GMT -8
I think the funniest thing in this whole thread is the implication that some are bandwagon fans.
If anyone watched through the gag years and still follows the program, they deserve some level of immunity (and probably a small pension from gag himself for pain and suffering).
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Post by ag87 on Jan 1, 2024 9:45:58 GMT -8
That's a great idea. I demand a small monthly payment from GAG. I'll settle for $5/month. It's all about pain and suffering. Any guesses if whether Avezzano and Fertig have estates also where I could get another monthly 5-bucks from each of them?
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jan 1, 2024 10:19:46 GMT -8
I think the funniest thing in this whole thread is the implication that some are bandwagon fans. If anyone watched through the gag years and still follows the program, they deserve some level of immunity (and probably a small pension from gag himself for pain and suffering). Means nothing to the sunshine pumpers. And so the arguing continues......wash, rinse, repeat.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 1, 2024 10:36:10 GMT -8
"Sunshine pumpers," "reality team," "Doom and Gloomers," any other terms we can label each of us by?
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Post by 93beav on Jan 1, 2024 10:40:11 GMT -8
"Sunshine pumpers," "reality team," "Doom and Gloomers," any other terms we can label each of us by? Absolute winners... Let's start off 2024 with a clean slate. No one knows how the team will do...everything that is done now is done. Can't turn back time. Yet. (Working on it...)
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 1, 2024 11:29:32 GMT -8
I simply cannot understand those that would fight so hard to not only be negative, but to have their negative opinion validated and supported.
It is one thing to be upset about everything that has happened. It is one thing to be worried about player departures and how it will all play out. It is a tough time.
But it is another to actively refuse to look on any bright side, reject any sense of optimism and continually fight for the notion that we will be terrible. As if it is the outcome that is desired. To come in when there is positive news to say "nope, this won't cut it we suck still" over and over and over again.
It is just s%#tty behavior. It ain't venting. it is either just being an outright troll, or a bizarre need to be validated and vindicated in the assessment OSU is dead now.
I don't know, I don't know what drives a person to actively fight positivity. to actively oppose good news and try to pour an ice bucket on it at every turn? Is it because you are scared to hope? that if you think we will be good and we actually suck it will just hurt more so you want to hold tight to sucking so you are surprised next year?
Or is it just being a troll?
Whatever it is, it is exhausting. I have no time nor patience for the belly aching and hand wringing of people that WANT us to suck. because that is what it is coming down to. This is beyond worry, beyond ranting, beyond frustration into a new realm of wanting to be right to some how show up all us obnoxiously positive people that we were stupid for believing.
Feels like a pathetic life. I'd rather just be on board with who we got then waste time fighting on a message board about how terrible we inevitably will be. Feels very contrary to the point of fandom. Unreasonable expectations our what we do.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 1, 2024 12:32:01 GMT -8
I simply cannot understand those that would fight so hard to not only be negative, but to have their negative opinion validated and supported. It is one thing to be upset about everything that has happened. It is one thing to be worried about player departures and how it will all play out. It is a tough time. But it is another to actively refuse to look on any bright side, reject any sense of optimism and continually fight for the notion that we will be terrible. As if it is the outcome that is desired. To come in when there is positive news to say "nope, this won't cut it we suck still" over and over and over again. It is just s%#tty behavior. It ain't venting. it is either just being an outright troll, or a bizarre need to be validated and vindicated in the assessment OSU is dead now. I don't know, I don't know what drives a person to actively fight positivity. to actively oppose good news and try to pour an ice bucket on it at every turn? Is it because you are scared to hope? that if you think we will be good and we actually suck it will just hurt more so you want to hold tight to sucking so you are surprised next year? Or is it just being a troll? Whatever it is, it is exhausting. I have no time nor patience for the belly aching and hand wringing of people that WANT us to suck. because that is what it is coming down to. This is beyond worry, beyond ranting, beyond frustration into a new realm of wanting to be right to some how show up all us obnoxiously positive people that we were stupid for believing. Feels like a pathetic life. I'd rather just be on board with who we got then waste time fighting on a message board about how terrible we inevitably will be. Feels very contrary to the point of fandom. Unreasonable expectations our what we do. Preach it. I prefer being called an "optimist" rather than a "sunshine pumper," but as Popeye said, "I yam what I yam."
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 1, 2024 12:48:18 GMT -8
Yeah... often times the "negatives" try to use "realist" to paint their picture as relevant. The but, realism as a practice is assessing a situation and then dealing with it accordingly. From that, those negatives must then be wanting it to turn out poorly.
Realism as a quality is representing a situation accurately or in a true to life fashion. Well, since none of us know the future the accurate assessment is OSU has a football program coming off 18 wins over two seasons. There has not been a mass exodus of players. The recruiting has been far better than expected given the turmoil and obstacles. OSU has an excited, talented young coaching staff. There will be football next season. There will be (7) homes contests in a beautiful new facility vs an albeit weaker schedule, meaning I'm looking at 6+ wins again for the 3rd year in a row.
All the "negatives" seem to think realism is fabricating results based on just their gloomy outlook. Negative is negative and as atown stated, why? It appears they either want to be the "I told you so" type, or are simply venting a sad existence. As I know from experience here the negative type rarely show up when they are wrong to admit as such.
Bottom line... we're all Beavs here. I as one am going to try very hard in '24 to practice civil discourse. Read, agree, disagree, present factual info when at all possible, and differences of opinion to become a personal indictment. I urged all to be more aware, reread before posting, be more concise about your thoughts and leave no room for comments/snarky humor "about" posters. Remember posts in and of themselves aren't "idiotic", most judged as such are simply uninformed so why not share factual information to help all get on the same page. Shorter/concise posts with less fabrication, guesses, but full of your thoughts/ideas. There are folks on here that know more about certain topics than others... read, learn, ask questions. Sure callout BS, but do it with info not insult. Correct mistakes, but is the ticky tack call outs a necessity or just a way to get in a subtle dig?
I'm sure this may be worded in a better fashion by others, but let's make Benny's a sustainable board for a long time. As a former creator/Mod of a non-sports related board some years ago if it becomes a full-time job to "police" a board, the board will soon cease to exist. I think all here can agree... we want Benny's to be available to all of us.
Go Beavs.
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Post by seastape on Jan 1, 2024 13:04:29 GMT -8
I think the funniest thing in this whole thread is the implication that some are bandwagon fans. If anyone watched through the gag years and still follows the program, they deserve some level of immunity (and probably a small pension from gag himself for pain and suffering). There's much worse to make one leave a bandwagon than the gag years. A lot of the folks on this board have watched OSU football since at least some time during the 28-year losing streak, if not all the way back to 1971 when it started. And a fair number go back further than that. So in the last 53 years of OSU football, they've sat through, between gag and "the streak," 31.5 years of awful, losing football with only three years of that where they got to see 5-win seasons. None of them deserve the label "bandwagon" fans. Not to mention the post-Miller basketball years...
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 1, 2024 13:14:55 GMT -8
I think the funniest thing in this whole thread is the implication that some are bandwagon fans. If anyone watched through the gag years and still follows the program, they deserve some level of immunity (and probably a small pension from gag himself for pain and suffering). There's much worse to make one leave a bandwagon than the gag years. A lot of the folks on this board have watched OSU football since at least some time during the 28-year losing streak, if not all the way back to 1971 when it started. And a fair number go back further than that. So in the last 53 years of OSU football, they've sat through, between gag and "the streak," 31.5 years of awful, losing football with only three years of that where they got to see 5-win seasons. None of them deserve the label "bandwagon" fans. Not to mention the post-Miller basketball years... Yeah... I'm not sure the actual definition or if there is one?! But, "bandwagon" to me were those fans who basically became fervent once a said team became a public success. Winning is usually associated with this, but Colorado this year proved that to be an unnecessary element. Some people are aware, may even watch a game or two, even have some gear. But, bandwagon type suddenly claim "I was there when", buy season tix when the team is popular, etc. Funny we use to have fun in the early 200's with duck "bandwagon" types by having conversations about former teams, players, games. Toss out fake names and events and they'd not know the difference. The problem with duck fans now... they've been successful and popular for so long that the bandwagon types have now been fans for 20+ years! Hard to call them bandwagon then...
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Post by hottubbeaver on Jan 2, 2024 16:02:58 GMT -8
I simply cannot understand those that would fight so hard to not only be negative, but to have their negative opinion validated and supported. It is one thing to be upset about everything that has happened. It is one thing to be worried about player departures and how it will all play out. It is a tough time. But it is another to actively refuse to look on any bright side, reject any sense of optimism and continually fight for the notion that we will be terrible. As if it is the outcome that is desired. To come in when there is positive news to say "nope, this won't cut it we suck still" over and over and over again. It is just s%#tty behavior. It ain't venting. it is either just being an outright troll, or a bizarre need to be validated and vindicated in the assessment OSU is dead now. I don't know, I don't know what drives a person to actively fight positivity. to actively oppose good news and try to pour an ice bucket on it at every turn? Is it because you are scared to hope? that if you think we will be good and we actually suck it will just hurt more so you want to hold tight to sucking so you are surprised next year? Or is it just being a troll? Whatever it is, it is exhausting. I have no time nor patience for the belly aching and hand wringing of people that WANT us to suck. because that is what it is coming down to. This is beyond worry, beyond ranting, beyond frustration into a new realm of wanting to be right to some how show up all us obnoxiously positive people that we were stupid for believing. Feels like a pathetic life. I'd rather just be on board with who we got then waste time fighting on a message board about how terrible we inevitably will be. Feels very contrary to the point of fandom. Unreasonable expectations our what we do. Your conjecture regarding the possible motivation by some posters' need to project negativity as a defense mechanism is quite good, and most likely true for some if not several posters. Nobody likes to get excited only to be let down. So some don't want to get their hopes up high because it's a big fall if those hopes and expectations aren't reached. It can go beyond emotionally damaging to experience that fall, some folks present actual physical side effects after disappointment. Whether they realize it or not, they're actively defending from future falls by constantly downplaying any possible silver lining around the dark cloud they view things from, to not do so might lead them to take a step up the mountain of higher expectations, hopes, and dreams. That's dangerous, that's where you can fall from. Of course there is also a handful of other school fans pretending to be Beavers for the sole purpose of attempting to shade every beam of sunlight that shines our way.
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