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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 30, 2023 12:28:21 GMT -8
Sigh. The Beavers were already going to lose 11 fulltime senior starters and another five that either started at times or played a lot. Another three (that I know of): Fuaga, Gould and Gray are going for the NFL. So we have 14 fulltime starters and five additional players off the table from the start. Obviously, it doesn't leave a lot left to lose as far as starters but that was true when looking at all the seniors going into the season. The Beavers have lost nine players to the transfer portal to this point. Six were starters and Aidan Chiles got his one series a game. According to 247Sports, DJU, Velling, Mascarenas-Arnold, Jermod McCoy and Aidan Chiles were all 4-star transfers. Jake Overman and Akili Arnold were 3-stars. As kickers, Sappington and Josh McCormick do not get rated. You have 22 starters along with a punter and kicker. OSU lost 11 through eligibility and 3 to the NFL. And then another six to the portal as of now. So, as it stands right now, 20 of 24 regular starting players, not counting the part time senior starters. It's great that Martinez and (hopefully) Bolden and Lolohea are back. But pretty much every other big name starter bailed. I like what Bray has been able to do but he still has some work to do. The OL additions are not close to being upgrades and, while I really like the QBs that are coming in, on paper it's no upgrade. Also, there's a need to fill out a few more positions in general. Luckily, the portal is still full of players. Don't worry about rgeorge, he thinks a handful of Colorado OL and some others equals, beavs in the natty next year. The bowl game PROVED that what is left is scary, and not competitive in P5, OL getting man handled DBs coverage, etc.. Can some of them improve, of course, and some will grow a lot, but nothing we saw yesterday said, "look out next year"! I suspect we aren't done losing players yet either, and may find another portal player or two. We're likely 2 or 3 years from knowing where we'll end up, meantime we'll win some MW games and take our lumps in P5, and suffer fan losses which happens when your team loses direction. It's going to be a rough ride for many. Watching now and DL getting mauled, anyone says we're in good shape is ignoring truth. If facts are negative, we're all guilty. . Funny you reference the DL, as I’m pretty sure they were in tact except for Hodgins. Cooper opting out 12 min before the game hurt the secondary badly. I did see very encouraging signs from Chisholm and Jordan the 2 inside linebackers. Oh-and the punter!!
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 30, 2023 12:32:01 GMT -8
Sigh. The Beavers were already going to lose 11 fulltime senior starters and another five that either started at times or played a lot. Another three (that I know of): Fuaga, Gould and Gray are going for the NFL. So we have 14 fulltime starters and five additional players off the table from the start. Obviously, it doesn't leave a lot left to lose as far as starters but that was true when looking at all the seniors going into the season. The Beavers have lost nine players to the transfer portal to this point. Six were starters and Aidan Chiles got his one series a game. According to 247Sports, DJU, Velling, Mascarenas-Arnold, Jermod McCoy and Aidan Chiles were all 4-star transfers. Jake Overman and Akili Arnold were 3-stars. As kickers, Sappington and Josh McCormick do not get rated. You have 22 starters along with a punter and kicker. OSU lost 11 through eligibility and 3 to the NFL. And then another six to the portal as of now. So, as it stands right now, 20 of 24 regular starting players, not counting the part time senior starters. It's great that Martinez and (hopefully) Bolden and Lolohea are back. But pretty much every other big name starter bailed. I like what Bray has been able to do but he still has some work to do. The OL additions are not close to being upgrades and, while I really like the QBs that are coming in, on paper it's no upgrade. Also, there's a need to fill out a few more positions in general. Luckily, the portal is still full of players. Don't worry about rgeorge, he thinks a handful of Colorado OL and some others equals, beavs in the natty next year. The bowl game PROVED that what is left is scary, and not competitive in P5, OL getting man handled DBs coverage, etc.. Can some of them improve, of course, and some will grow a lot, but nothing we saw yesterday said, "look out next year"! I suspect we aren't done losing players yet either, and may find another portal player or two. We're likely 2 or 3 years from knowing where we'll end up, meantime we'll win some MW games and take our lumps in P5, and suffer fan losses which happens when your team loses direction. It's going to be a rough ride for many. Watching now and DL getting mauled, anyone says we're in good shape is ignoring truth. If facts are negative, we're all guilty. . Ahhh... another hyper negative and irrational Beaver "fan". Luckily the people involved in the program think nothing like you and your fellow "G&D" crowd. And, even more importantly none care what you think. And, since I'm guessing you rarely attend games in person, give funds to support OSU or OSU athletics you are just one of those sideline observers that looks for additional things to biotch about in life??! Or do you give and attend thinking that gives you the "fans rights" to be so negative about a future you have no clue about? But, as the "D&G" crowd has stated I do call out doom and gloom BS. As it is almost complete made up, 20/20 hindsight, and consistently one that moves that goals post when wrong. I'll also admit that the very few that consistently proclaim it's the end of OSU athletics as we know it gets me more riled than it should. As truly they are a tiny, miniscule minority on this board. Meaning their at in that 0.005% of total OSU fans. I'd say supporters, but you're not. You and those like you are the epitome of a frontrunner. Everything is rosy when yo see things going well, but the sky is falling and it is a lost cause when tough times hit. Of course we all know who the vast majority of people want to associate with when the tough times hit. And, it wouldn't be the biotching crybabies that continually find negativity in everything. Funny, as I was waiting for the first guy to imply that any wins will be minimized next year because they will be MW games... and of course OSU will struggle in P5 games. A guy already finding negatives in a season that has yet to even take shape. Now of course the other characteristic of the "G&D" crowd is to make up complete BS... they know what will happen in the future from the present, or like you above state ridiculous hyperbole that was never stated by ANYONE on the board. The problem with negative predictions is that there isn't much validity to them mso you do indeed need to make up scenarios to fit your view point. Along with the negativity of course is the complete falsehood and delusion of grandeur that the OSU program was anything more than a lower tier P5 team that had to work it's tail off o maintain any type of relevancy. If the Pac12 had remained intact OSU was never going to be a consistent 8-10 game winner. The current state of college football and the keeping up the the ultra funded was never going to allow OSU to be much more than an occasional blip on the national stage. Yet, you and the "G&D" crowd think that the current situations is going to drastically reduce OSU's, what national profile?? LOL Some actually support OSU and will assist however they can in tough times as well as the prosperous seasons. But, with an unsure future there is a very good chance OSU will emerge in a better overall situation for OSU. Of course, the negative crowd wants to be right so badly they will down play any successes that come. Funny... picking the top 5 D&G you all have some or all of the traits of extreme negativity... at least on this board: - The past dictates the future - Negative info stresses you out enough to vent, often with rationale that has no foundation - Negative perspectives take priority and any other view is unfounded optimism - Success/victory no matter how small is overshadowed by unwanted outcome - Never, always, but are your favorite words - It isn't a single vent, it is constant and multifaceted - You exaggerate negative views my added new ones, no matter how unsubstantiated - Future successes are do to lowering standards - Counters to your views are read/interpreted as extremely personal But, as many say here in many ways... it's a message board... opinions and views are posted... and countered. Bottom line... OSU athletic programs will continue to exist and thrive. That is the goal... for the student athlete and the the University.
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Post by rafer on Dec 30, 2023 13:28:10 GMT -8
rgeorge "And, even more importantly none care what you think". etu brute. If I read you right, everything is just great, there are ZERO issues and we are set for next year! I prefer to judge reality with my eyes and logic, if you didn't see what most of us saw yesterday, fine, have your own version. Without acknowledging the negative, how in the hell will you ever understand positive, how will you know what needs fixing? Positive would have been being competitive in the trenches both sides, but we were overwhelmed on both sides, positive would have been getting more than single digit rushing yards, and we didn't, one successful 3rd down for a first? Admittedly I sped through the 4th qtr. but heard this from a commentator. We ALL want success, you're not fan numero friggin 1 dude, if everyone on here wasn't a fan, THEY WOULD NOT BE HERE!! you're not the board police either so lighten up francis, accept that others have opinions too, sure they may stink, but they have a right to have them, like you.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 30, 2023 13:48:13 GMT -8
rgeorge "And, even more importantly none care what you think". etu brute. If I read you right, everything is just great, there are ZERO issues and we are set for next year! I prefer to judge reality with my eyes and logic, if you didn't see what most of us saw yesterday, fine, have your own version. Without acknowledging the negative, how in the hell will you ever understand positive, how will you know what needs fixing? Positive would have been being competitive in the trenches both sides, but we were overwhelmed on both sides, positive would have been getting more than single digit rushing yards, and we didn't, one successful 3rd down for a first? Admittedly I sped through the 4th qtr. but heard this from a commentator. We ALL want success, you're not fan numero friggin 1 dude, if everyone on here wasn't a fan, THEY WOULD NOT BE HERE!! you're not the board police either so lighten up francis, accept that others have opinions too, sure they may stink, but they have a right to have them, like you. Again with the made up statements... "everything is just great". Not even an elementary reader would interpret mine or other "sunshine pumpers" as inferring that. Reread a large portion your posts. You have a unique method of wanting success. Hint... this bowl game actually doesn't determine the future of the program... just as the Fiesta or Vegas, or any other bowl. A bunch of young men played their hearts out. Disparaging them, the team, etc isn't wanting success. It's negative, bad mouthing a already known tough situation. Congrats to all that made this bowl happen. Some would have rather "quit" and not had OSU play.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 30, 2023 14:11:02 GMT -8
Sigh. The Beavers were already going to lose 11 fulltime senior starters and another five that either started at times or played a lot. Another three (that I know of): Fuaga, Gould and Gray are going for the NFL. So we have 14 fulltime starters and five additional players off the table from the start. Obviously, it doesn't leave a lot left to lose as far as starters but that was true when looking at all the seniors going into the season. The Beavers have lost nine players to the transfer portal to this point. Six were starters and Aidan Chiles got his one series a game. According to 247Sports, DJU, Velling, Mascarenas-Arnold, Jermod McCoy and Aidan Chiles were all 4-star transfers. Jake Overman and Akili Arnold were 3-stars. As kickers, Sappington and Josh McCormick do not get rated. You have 22 starters along with a punter and kicker. OSU lost 11 through eligibility and 3 to the NFL. And then another six to the portal as of now. So, as it stands right now, 20 of 24 regular starting players, not counting the part time senior starters. It's great that Martinez and (hopefully) Bolden and Lolohea are back. But pretty much every other big name starter bailed. I like what Bray has been able to do but he still has some work to do. The OL additions are not close to being upgrades and, while I really like the QBs that are coming in, on paper it's no upgrade. Also, there's a need to fill out a few more positions in general. Luckily, the portal is still full of players. Don't worry about rgeorge, he thinks a handful of Colorado OL and some others equals, beavs in the natty next year. The bowl game PROVED that what is left is scary, and not competitive in P5, OL getting man handled DBs coverage, etc.. Can some of them improve, of course, and some will grow a lot, but nothing we saw yesterday said, "look out next year"! I suspect we aren't done losing players yet either, and may find another portal player or two. We're likely 2 or 3 years from knowing where we'll end up, meantime we'll win some MW games and take our lumps in P5, and suffer fan losses which happens when your team loses direction. It's going to be a rough ride for many. Watching now and DL getting mauled, anyone says we're in good shape is ignoring truth. If facts are negative, we're all guilty. . Fan losses? Oh no, maybe we can get some portal fans. Fans that leave because of the current situation aren’t “fans”. Their bandwagon a-holes. They can go be uck fans.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 30, 2023 14:15:59 GMT -8
Sigh. The Beavers were already going to lose 11 fulltime senior starters and another five that either started at times or played a lot. Another three (that I know of): Fuaga, Gould and Gray are going for the NFL. So we have 14 fulltime starters and five additional players off the table from the start. Obviously, it doesn't leave a lot left to lose as far as starters but that was true when looking at all the seniors going into the season. The Beavers have lost nine players to the transfer portal to this point. Six were starters and Aidan Chiles got his one series a game. According to 247Sports, DJU, Velling, Mascarenas-Arnold, Jermod McCoy and Aidan Chiles were all 4-star transfers. Jake Overman and Akili Arnold were 3-stars. As kickers, Sappington and Josh McCormick do not get rated. You have 22 starters along with a punter and kicker. OSU lost 11 through eligibility and 3 to the NFL. And then another six to the portal as of now. So, as it stands right now, 20 of 24 regular starting players, not counting the part time senior starters. It's great that Martinez and (hopefully) Bolden and Lolohea are back. But pretty much every other big name starter bailed. I like what Bray has been able to do but he still has some work to do. The OL additions are not close to being upgrades and, while I really like the QBs that are coming in, on paper it's no upgrade. Also, there's a need to fill out a few more positions in general. Luckily, the portal is still full of players. Don't worry about rgeorge, he thinks a handful of Colorado OL and some others equals, beavs in the natty next year. The bowl game PROVED that what is left is scary, and not competitive in P5, OL getting man handled DBs coverage, etc.. Can some of them improve, of course, and some will grow a lot, but nothing we saw yesterday said, "look out next year"! I suspect we aren't done losing players yet either, and may find another portal player or two. We're likely 2 or 3 years from knowing where we'll end up, meantime we'll win some MW games and take our lumps in P5, and suffer fan losses which happens when your team loses direction. It's going to be a rough ride for many. Watching now and DL getting mauled, anyone says we're in good shape is ignoring truth. If facts are negative, we're all guilty. . It really didn't "PROVE" all that much. We had a makeshift line under a makeshift coaching staff and no offensive line coach trying to stop a mostly intact front 7 made largely of highly ranked recruits (ND had back to back Top 10 recruiting classes the last couple years) that rushed 6-7 players nearly every play. Heck, a couple decades ago the Beavers "PROVED" they were going to be great by beating ND 42-9 in an easy game, then followed that up with a losing record, a loss against Fresno and a squeaker win against NMSU. It certainly showed we weren't ready for this year's bowl game and that particular defensive strategy yesterday, but it really doesn't "PROVE" anything about what this team can do 9 months from now under the new staff.
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Post by seastape on Dec 30, 2023 15:23:19 GMT -8
My take on the class: looking very good but needs more tackles, both O and D.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 30, 2023 16:48:08 GMT -8
Don't worry about rgeorge, he thinks a handful of Colorado OL and some others equals, beavs in the natty next year. The bowl game PROVED that what is left is scary, and not competitive in P5, OL getting man handled DBs coverage, etc.. Can some of them improve, of course, and some will grow a lot, but nothing we saw yesterday said, "look out next year"! I suspect we aren't done losing players yet either, and may find another portal player or two. We're likely 2 or 3 years from knowing where we'll end up, meantime we'll win some MW games and take our lumps in P5, and suffer fan losses which happens when your team loses direction. It's going to be a rough ride for many. Watching now and DL getting mauled, anyone says we're in good shape is ignoring truth. If facts are negative, we're all guilty. . It really didn't "PROVE" all that much. We had a makeshift line under a makeshift coaching staff and no offensive line coach trying to stop a mostly intact front 7 made largely of highly ranked recruits (ND had back to back Top 10 recruiting classes the last couple years) that rushed 6-7 players nearly every play. Heck, a couple decades ago the Beavers "PROVED" they were going to be great by beating ND 42-9 in an easy game, then followed that up with a losing record, a loss against Fresno and a squeaker win against NMSU. It certainly showed we weren't ready for this year's bowl game and that particular defensive strategy yesterday, but it really doesn't "PROVE" anything about what this team can do 9 months from now under the new staff. Yeah... guess FSU's national rep is just ruined. Potbelly Probably should drop football cuz in 9 months it'll just be terrible.
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Post by idaho on Dec 30, 2023 17:11:52 GMT -8
My take on the class: looking very good but needs more tackles, both O and D. Agree.... the good news is that there are about 50 3* and abouve OT in the portal still - 9-10 which are 4* . Even more in the portal for DL. Plenty of time to shore up those two positions.
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Post by Angus on Dec 30, 2023 18:14:06 GMT -8
My take on the class: looking very good but needs more tackles, both O and D. Agree.... the good news is that there are about 50 3* and abouve OT in the portal still - 9-10 which are 4* . Even more in the portal for DL. Plenty of time to shore up those two positions. A few I saw that might be good fits(don't know about their character though) are a Dlineman from Houston and a CB from TCU. I bring it up since didn't we just get a Dline dude from Houston and a kid from TCU? Either way, I agree that CCB and KHJ have plenty of time to shore up the ranks. And our bowl gave both plenty of good information on exactly where to place them!
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Dec 30, 2023 19:17:00 GMT -8
Don't worry about rgeorge, he thinks a handful of Colorado OL and some others equals, beavs in the natty next year. The bowl game PROVED that what is left is scary, and not competitive in P5, OL getting man handled DBs coverage, etc.. Can some of them improve, of course, and some will grow a lot, but nothing we saw yesterday said, "look out next year"! I suspect we aren't done losing players yet either, and may find another portal player or two. We're likely 2 or 3 years from knowing where we'll end up, meantime we'll win some MW games and take our lumps in P5, and suffer fan losses which happens when your team loses direction. It's going to be a rough ride for many. Watching now and DL getting mauled, anyone says we're in good shape is ignoring truth. If facts are negative, we're all guilty. . Fan losses? Oh no, maybe we can get some portal fans. Fans that leave because of the current situation aren’t “fans”. Their bandwagon a-holes. They can go be uck fans. I think "bandwagon OSU football fans" is an oxymoron. That's why some of us who feel the need to vent about things get so irritated by the personal attacks by the likes of rgeorge. Just stfu and let us vent......no one is going anywhere. I mean, yeah, there were probly a handful of "bandwagon" OSU fans over the last couple years, but I'd say 99% of Beaver fans either went there, or have some sort of tie to the university. Why is it so hard to understand that we all handle disappointment differently? The personal attacks are unnecessary.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Dec 30, 2023 19:41:11 GMT -8
Always interesting. Outside of the trolls people get attacked for getting tired of a group. It's just like leaving a cult in some ways. Any doubt and you get attacked and all you ever did or thought doesn't matter.
You can be loyal for 50 years but if you get tired of it or it changes and you aren't on board then none of it matters. Validate your own beliefs by attacking anyone who doubts.
It's entertainment folks, stop being fanatics.
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Post by sparty on Dec 30, 2023 20:00:41 GMT -8
Don't worry about rgeorge, he thinks a handful of Colorado OL and some others equals, beavs in the natty next year. The bowl game PROVED that what is left is scary, and not competitive in P5, OL getting man handled DBs coverage, etc.. Can some of them improve, of course, and some will grow a lot, but nothing we saw yesterday said, "look out next year"! I suspect we aren't done losing players yet either, and may find another portal player or two. We're likely 2 or 3 years from knowing where we'll end up, meantime we'll win some MW games and take our lumps in P5, and suffer fan losses which happens when your team loses direction. It's going to be a rough ride for many. Watching now and DL getting mauled, anyone says we're in good shape is ignoring truth. If facts are negative, we're all guilty. . Ahhh... another hyper negative and irrational Beaver "fan". Luckily the people involved in the program think nothing like you and your fellow "G&D" crowd. And, even more importantly none care what you think. And, since I'm guessing you rarely attend games in person, give funds to support OSU or OSU athletics you are just one of those sideline observers that looks for additional things to biotch about in life??! Or do you give and attend thinking that gives you the "fans rights" to be so negative about a future you have no clue about? But, as the "D&G" crowd has stated I do call out doom and gloom BS. As it is almost complete made up, 20/20 hindsight, and consistently one that moves that goals post when wrong. I'll also admit that the very few that consistently proclaim it's the end of OSU athletics as we know it gets me more riled than it should. As truly they are a tiny, miniscule minority on this board. Meaning their at in that 0.005% of total OSU fans. I'd say supporters, but you're not. You and those like you are the epitome of a frontrunner. Everything is rosy when yo see things going well, but the sky is falling and it is a lost cause when tough times hit. Of course we all know who the vast majority of people want to associate with when the tough times hit. And, it wouldn't be the biotching crybabies that continually find negativity in everything. Funny, as I was waiting for the first guy to imply that any wins will be minimized next year because they will be MW games... and of course OSU will struggle in P5 games. A guy already finding negatives in a season that has yet to even take shape. Now of course the other characteristic of the "G&D" crowd is to make up complete BS... they know what will happen in the future from the present, or like you above state ridiculous hyperbole that was never stated by ANYONE on the board. The problem with negative predictions is that there isn't much validity to them mso you do indeed need to make up scenarios to fit your view point. Along with the negativity of course is the complete falsehood and delusion of grandeur that the OSU program was anything more than a lower tier P5 team that had to work it's tail off o maintain any type of relevancy. If the Pac12 had remained intact OSU was never going to be a consistent 8-10 game winner. The current state of college football and the keeping up the the ultra funded was never going to allow OSU to be much more than an occasional blip on the national stage. Yet, you and the "G&D" crowd think that the current situations is going to drastically reduce OSU's, what national profile?? LOL Some actually support OSU and will assist however they can in tough times as well as the prosperous seasons. But, with an unsure future there is a very good chance OSU will emerge in a better overall situation for OSU. Of course, the negative crowd wants to be right so badly they will down play any successes that come. Funny... picking the top 5 D&G you all have some or all of the traits of extreme negativity... at least on this board: - The past dictates the future - Negative info stresses you out enough to vent, often with rationale that has no foundation - Negative perspectives take priority and any other view is unfounded optimism - Success/victory no matter how small is overshadowed by unwanted outcome - Never, always, but are your favorite words - It isn't a single vent, it is constant and multifaceted - You exaggerate negative views my added new ones, no matter how unsubstantiated - Future successes are do to lowering standards - Counters to your views are read/interpreted as extremely personal But, as many say here in many ways... it's a message board... opinions and views are posted... and countered. Bottom line... OSU athletic programs will continue to exist and thrive. That is the goal... for the student athlete and the the University. You are as mad as a March hare and spending too much time sifting a cat box and saying "Wow, this smells so good!"
Rafer and some others is just being realists which is okay. Realists tend to focus on the facts and evidence over hopeful speculation or wishful thinking.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 30, 2023 20:04:39 GMT -8
Realists actual speak to which is real. Not make up the future. And, always a negative one at that.
But, like your posts here Gove you credence to judge any personal attribute.
But, you'll continue...
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Post by beaver94 on Dec 30, 2023 20:11:54 GMT -8
Ahhh... another hyper negative and irrational Beaver "fan". Luckily the people involved in the program think nothing like you and your fellow "G&D" crowd. And, even more importantly none care what you think. And, since I'm guessing you rarely attend games in person, give funds to support OSU or OSU athletics you are just one of those sideline observers that looks for additional things to biotch about in life??! Or do you give and attend thinking that gives you the "fans rights" to be so negative about a future you have no clue about? But, as the "D&G" crowd has stated I do call out doom and gloom BS. As it is almost complete made up, 20/20 hindsight, and consistently one that moves that goals post when wrong. I'll also admit that the very few that consistently proclaim it's the end of OSU athletics as we know it gets me more riled than it should. As truly they are a tiny, miniscule minority on this board. Meaning their at in that 0.005% of total OSU fans. I'd say supporters, but you're not. You and those like you are the epitome of a frontrunner. Everything is rosy when yo see things going well, but the sky is falling and it is a lost cause when tough times hit. Of course we all know who the vast majority of people want to associate with when the tough times hit. And, it wouldn't be the biotching crybabies that continually find negativity in everything. Funny, as I was waiting for the first guy to imply that any wins will be minimized next year because they will be MW games... and of course OSU will struggle in P5 games. A guy already finding negatives in a season that has yet to even take shape. Now of course the other characteristic of the "G&D" crowd is to make up complete BS... they know what will happen in the future from the present, or like you above state ridiculous hyperbole that was never stated by ANYONE on the board. The problem with negative predictions is that there isn't much validity to them mso you do indeed need to make up scenarios to fit your view point. Along with the negativity of course is the complete falsehood and delusion of grandeur that the OSU program was anything more than a lower tier P5 team that had to work it's tail off o maintain any type of relevancy. If the Pac12 had remained intact OSU was never going to be a consistent 8-10 game winner. The current state of college football and the keeping up the the ultra funded was never going to allow OSU to be much more than an occasional blip on the national stage. Yet, you and the "G&D" crowd think that the current situations is going to drastically reduce OSU's, what national profile?? LOL Some actually support OSU and will assist however they can in tough times as well as the prosperous seasons. But, with an unsure future there is a very good chance OSU will emerge in a better overall situation for OSU. Of course, the negative crowd wants to be right so badly they will down play any successes that come. Funny... picking the top 5 D&G you all have some or all of the traits of extreme negativity... at least on this board: - The past dictates the future - Negative info stresses you out enough to vent, often with rationale that has no foundation - Negative perspectives take priority and any other view is unfounded optimism - Success/victory no matter how small is overshadowed by unwanted outcome - Never, always, but are your favorite words - It isn't a single vent, it is constant and multifaceted - You exaggerate negative views my added new ones, no matter how unsubstantiated - Future successes are do to lowering standards - Counters to your views are read/interpreted as extremely personal But, as many say here in many ways... it's a message board... opinions and views are posted... and countered. Bottom line... OSU athletic programs will continue to exist and thrive. That is the goal... for the student athlete and the the University. You are as mad as a March hare and spending too much time sifting a cat box and saying "Wow, this smells so good!"
Rafer and some others is just being realists which is okay. Realists tend to focus on the facts and evidence over hopeful speculation or wishful thinking.
What “facts” are these “realists” you speak of focusing on? I consider myself a pretty good realist and disagree with almost everything that Rafer and others have posted.
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