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Post by beaverology on Dec 17, 2023 15:39:18 GMT -8
Looks like he's ready to commit to OSU.
6 foot 6, 285 pound NT, OT from Utah. Coach DeVan is crushing it!
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Dec 17, 2023 15:51:26 GMT -8
DeVan is a great scale too for linemen. Massive kid for only 1 offer.
Checked tape, dude loves to run block, more pancakes than an IHOP. Very athletic and has no trouble pulling and blocking down field.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Jan 11, 2024 15:15:55 GMT -8
DeVan is a great scale too for linemen. Massive kid for only 1 offer. Checked tape, dude loves to run block, more pancakes than an IHOP. Very athletic and has no trouble pulling and blocking down field. Wasn't much talk on this recruit. Finally watched some of his tape. Without knowing the level of competition I try to temper my excitement level, but boy I sure like what I see. For a kid listed as a first year OT, he sure gets off the ball quick and mows defenders down. I could be easily convinced that in a few years we'll look back and say he was the star of this recruiting class even though he's not rated by 247 as of yet. Diamond, a steal, a hidden gem, or a project? Maybe all the above or just false hopes on my part..  Watch and decide for yourself www.on3.com/db/adam-hawkes-239314/videos/267832/ |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jan 11, 2024 15:27:03 GMT -8
DeVan is a great scale too for linemen. Massive kid for only 1 offer. Checked tape, dude loves to run block, more pancakes than an IHOP. Very athletic and has no trouble pulling and blocking down field. Wasn't much talk on this recruit. Finally watched some of his tape. Without knowing the level of competition I try to temper my excitement level, but boy I sure like what I see. For a kid listed as a first year OT, he sure gets off the ball quick and mows defenders down. I could be easily convinced that in a few years we'll look back and say he was the star of this recruiting class even though he's not rated by 247 as of yet. Diamond, a steal, a hidden gem, or a project? Maybe all the above or just false hopes on my part.. Watch and decide for yourself www.on3.com/db/adam-hawkes-239314/videos/267832/ For sure. As much as the recruiting services like to pretend their classes are fully relevant they just aren't. They 'scout' athletes based on camps or if enough of the right schools offer them and the offers are public. There are kids out there with 10+ G5 offers out there that not rated and the offers aren't public because they aren't active on social. I'd say rankings high 3 star, and above, recruits that have actually been reviewed are fairly accurate. Everything else is just random. |
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Post by kersting13 on Jan 11, 2024 15:35:45 GMT -8
Wasn't much talk on this recruit. Finally watched some of his tape. Without knowing the level of competition I try to temper my excitement level, but boy I sure like what I see. For a kid listed as a first year OT, he sure gets off the ball quick and mows defenders down. I could be easily convinced that in a few years we'll look back and say he was the star of this recruiting class even though he's not rated by 247 as of yet. Diamond, a steal, a hidden gem, or a project? Maybe all the above or just false hopes on my part.. Watch and decide for yourself www.on3.com/db/adam-hawkes-239314/videos/267832/ For sure. As much as the recruiting services like to pretend their classes are fully relevant they just aren't. They 'scout' athletes based on camps or if enough of the right schools offer them and the offers are public. There are kids out there with 10+ G5 offers out there that not rated and the offers aren't public because they aren't active on social. I'd say rankings high 3 star, and above, recruits that have actually been reviewed are fairly accurate. Everything else is just random. "Recruits that have actually been reviewed are fairly accurate" - as much as those things can be accurate. As accurate as the NFL draft? Maybe - there's definitely a correlation between how highly a kid is rated and his likelihood of success, but there are also loads of exceptions in both directions. The bad part is that nowadays, the 5 star "misses" will transfer down to a "lower level" school, and the 3 star "hits" will transfer to a "more prestigious school" pretty much any chance they get. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jan 11, 2024 15:44:27 GMT -8
For sure. As much as the recruiting services like to pretend their classes are fully relevant they just aren't. They 'scout' athletes based on camps or if enough of the right schools offer them and the offers are public. There are kids out there with 10+ G5 offers out there that not rated and the offers aren't public because they aren't active on social. I'd say rankings high 3 star, and above, recruits that have actually been reviewed are fairly accurate. Everything else is just random. "Recruits that have actually been reviewed are fairly accurate" - as much as those things can be accurate. As accurate as the NFL draft? Maybe - there's definitely a correlation between how highly a kid is rated and his likelihood of success, but there are also loads of exceptions in both directions. The bad part is that nowadays, the 5 star "misses" will transfer down to a "lower level" school, and the 3 star "hits" will transfer to a "more prestigious school" pretty much any chance they get. I find the easiest metric is what percentage of ratings get drafted. 247sports.com/longformarticle/2023-nfl-draft-recruiting-services-star-rankings-espn-rivals-football-recruiting-top247-209287337/#2162533For instance for 247 they rate 32 players as 5 star each year which means they think those players are 1st round picks. Over the course of the 19' and 20' season they rated 64 players. 45 players completed eligibility and entered the draft. 22 of those players were drafted in the first round. Essentially it works out to 1/3 of 247 5 stars end up as 1st rounders. |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Jan 11, 2024 16:34:27 GMT -8
For sure. As much as the recruiting services like to pretend their classes are fully relevant they just aren't. They 'scout' athletes based on camps or if enough of the right schools offer them and the offers are public. There are kids out there with 10+ G5 offers out there that not rated and the offers aren't public because they aren't active on social. I'd say rankings high 3 star, and above, recruits that have actually been reviewed are fairly accurate. Everything else is just random. "Recruits that have actually been reviewed are fairly accurate" - as much as those things can be accurate. As accurate as the NFL draft? Maybe - there's definitely a correlation between how highly a kid is rated and his likelihood of success, but there are also loads of exceptions in both directions. The bad part is that nowadays, the 5 star "misses" will transfer down to a "lower level" school, and the 3 star "hits" will transfer to a "more prestigious school" pretty much any chance they get. I agree, this seems to be the direction of things and have given some thought as to how it impacts a program like ours. In theory, our coaches put in more time, work, and effort to sift through all the tape, talk to all the out of way HS coaches to find these types of "hidden gems" versus coaches at programs which recruit themselves and only go after players already "found" and rated to begin with. Once one of these players arrive at OSU, more effort is invested in a plan to help fully develop, grow, and fit the athlete into the system where their full potential can be maximized and obviously the teams' potential benefits as a result. Once the fruits of all that extra time, effort, and labor ripens, the player gets noticed and offers start being whispered in his ear from other programs. The player will likely be offered some level of enticement, however the program that put in all the work, effort, and expense into finding and then developing said player gets nothing but a hole in their roster they need to fill. Since the common refrain these days is, "it's only business", I would counter by saying in the business world, if an investor searches hard and finds a bargain valued asset and then puts time and effort into improving the assets value, he is compensated with a profit when another investor wants it. This is where I believe there needs to be some challenge to the current status quo. Programs who shop for "fixer uppers", put a great deal of sweat equity into them, and in turn attract interested new buyers to the market, need to be compensated in some fashion otherwise the added value to the asset, their efforts created, is being stolen. I don't see how it can be viewed any other way, at least in "business" terms. |
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Post by zeroposter on Jan 11, 2024 17:17:44 GMT -8
DeVan knows something about “fixer-uppers” as he was one coming out of high school. Great feet and solid technique, but Devan was a round mound. Riley and his OL coach told DeVan that he had to reshape his body or there was no scholarship.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 11, 2024 18:49:15 GMT -8
So did this young man commit or sign?
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jan 11, 2024 18:52:39 GMT -8
So did this young man commit or sign? both? |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 11, 2024 18:56:48 GMT -8
So did this young man commit or sign? I see nothing except 247... commit and signed... and on OSU signing day info... PLAYER, POS., HT, WT, HOMETOWN Salahadin Allah, RB, 6-0, 205, La Marque, Texas Exodus Ayers, DB, 6-1, 185, Albuquerque, N.M. Dexter Foster, ILB, 6-3, 210, Portland, Ore. Gyriece Goodman, ILB, 6-2, 210, De Pere, Wis. Kallen Gutridge, QB, 6-3, 185, Wilsonville, Ore. Cornell Hatcher Jr., RB, 6-0, 190, Corona, Calif. Will Haverland, OLB, 6-5, 225, Eugene, Ore. Adam Hawkes, OL, 6-5, 280, Herriman, Utah Shamar Meikle, OLB, 6-3, 210, Miramar, Fla. Dylan Sikorski, OL, 6-4, 325, Sumner, Wash. As stated below... portal focus has us forgetting these guys?! |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 11, 2024 19:00:01 GMT -8
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 11, 2024 19:16:05 GMT -8
Thank you.
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Post by kersting13 on Jan 11, 2024 21:34:44 GMT -8
"Recruits that have actually been reviewed are fairly accurate" - as much as those things can be accurate. As accurate as the NFL draft? Maybe - there's definitely a correlation between how highly a kid is rated and his likelihood of success, but there are also loads of exceptions in both directions. The bad part is that nowadays, the 5 star "misses" will transfer down to a "lower level" school, and the 3 star "hits" will transfer to a "more prestigious school" pretty much any chance they get. I agree, this seems to be the direction of things and have given some thought as to how it impacts a program like ours. In theory, our coaches put in more time, work, and effort to sift through all the tape, talk to all the out of way HS coaches to find these types of "hidden gems" versus coaches at programs which recruit themselves and only go after players already "found" and rated to begin with. Once one of these players arrive at OSU, more effort is invested in a plan to help fully develop, grow, and fit the athlete into the system where their full potential can be maximized and obviously the teams' potential benefits as a result. Once the fruits of all that extra time, effort, and labor ripens, the player gets noticed and offers start being whispered in his ear from other programs. The player will likely be offered some level of enticement, however the program that put in all the work, effort, and expense into finding and then developing said player gets nothing but a hole in their roster they need to fill. Since the common refrain these days is, "it's only business", I would counter by saying in the business world, if an investor searches hard and finds a bargain valued asset and then puts time and effort into improving the assets value, he is compensated with a profit when another investor wants it. This is where I believe there needs to be some challenge to the current status quo. Programs who shop for "fixer uppers", put a great deal of sweat equity into them, and in turn attract interested new buyers to the market, need to be compensated in some fashion otherwise the added value to the asset, their efforts created, is being stolen. I don't see how it can be viewed any other way, at least in "business" terms. I understand that you're trying to insert some level of fairness or competitive balance into the system, but the question would have to be how you would rate these transfers? Would Oregon State have had to send some kind of compensation to Clemson for picking up DJU? He's a 5-star guy, but he's going to a less respected program. What's the valuation you put on guys? If it's just based on numbers of guys coming and going out, it's not going to solve anything. Is it based on how much NIL a guy gets by moving? Are you gonna put schools in to "levels" such as a P4 program vs a G5 program? Does Purdue picking up a transfer from Ohio State get more than Ohio State getting a transfer from Purdue? I just don't know how you're gonna create the compensation model. |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Jan 12, 2024 10:34:39 GMT -8
I understand that you're trying to insert some level of fairness or competitive balance into the system, but the question would have to be how you would rate these transfers? Would Oregon State have had to send some kind of compensation to Clemson for picking up DJU? He's a 5-star guy, but he's going to a less respected program. What's the valuation you put on guys? If it's just based on numbers of guys coming and going out, it's not going to solve anything. Is it based on how much NIL a guy gets by moving? Are you gonna put schools in to "levels" such as a P4 program vs a G5 program? Does Purdue picking up a transfer from Ohio State get more than Ohio State getting a transfer from Purdue? I just don't know how you're gonna create the compensation model. These are good questions and I haven't given that aspect a ton of thought. I'm a fan of simplicity and efficiency so would not be in favor of an overly complicated set of rules. Tackling the question in bold with a simplistic off the cuff answer; NO. I would limit this to only players like I described in initial post, ones who programs had to really do a lot of leg work to find and then took a chance on and developed into a player others take interest in.. So maybe the easy threshold would be something like players with 3 or less Power 4/5 offers out of HS. 3 offers may seem like a lot for a "diamond in the rough" type, but what we've seen is if a program like OSU/UTAH/etc.... has success, other programs will grant them some street cred for their ability to evaluate talent and extend offers to their recruits simply for that reason alone. Another option and an even simpler one would be:. if you offered the player out of HS, he commits and goes elsewhere, then 1, 2, 3, etc...years later he wants to transfer to you, then it's a free transfer. If you didn't offer out of HS, he transfers to you, then a compensation fee needs paid to school he's transferring from. This option would probably fit 99% of the players hardly recruited, or "off the radar", out of HS, who then blossom in college and attract a lot of suitors. |
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