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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 21, 2019 10:35:20 GMT -8
I basically agree with you. I will definitely voice, like I did already, I was really disappointed how we finished. It wasn't even our record. I think if we landed on 18-13 via a strong finish it would be different. but 7 games ago we were 16-8, we end the year on a 2-5 run. That just really stings. We should of beat the AZ schools, split WA and beat Colorado, based on our performance this year. 21-10 or so and a certain NIT invite, possible play in bid, is a universe better. I hear you, I am not in the fire Tinkle camp. I can be upset at the finish and still have a pragmatic outlook. (people pissing and moaning about Pat Bailey and our 13-3-1 record, given the talent turn over we just experienced can get f%#*ed. if you are bitching about Bailey right now, you are advertising to the world you are dumb as f%#*). As frustrating as it is to miss out on the post season when it was clear we could of been there we all risk tossing the baby out with the bathwater when we start saber rattling for a coaching change. We are only this fired up BECAUSE he built a team good enough to be there, but then faltered at the end. The key consideration is that he did build a contender in Corvallis. it flamed out, but it was in all senses, a contending team. The team ran out of steam. To me, it doesn't spell incompetence. It spell disappointment and the need to address some larger issues still (depth, consistency) but it doesn't spell complete incompetence. Gary Andersen displayed gross incompetence. through and through. He deserves are ire and hate. Tinkle has not. I am open to him getting some heat right now, but we all know he is back next year, and we should all settle the f%#* down pretty quick here and get back to supporting OSU. being grumpy assholes doesn't help make this team better, doesn't help recruiting and doesn't help the overall state of the program. Four of those losses in the last few weeks came down to the final seconds or overtime. It’s not like we lost all our close games this year - we were pretty close to .500 in games decided by five points or less. Hollins blocks out vs. Arizona, maybe we win. Tres bricked two decent looks vs. UCLA in the final seconds and missed them both. Lick Luck is a dumb thing, but sometimes it happens. First, as you mentioned above how "sick of it" you are then proceed to complain about several things fans discuss. Hint... they get to discuss whatever they want, just as your lame complaint about complaining. Those fans are discussing/complaining about a team they root for/love... you complaining about what other fans posts is??? Second, poor rebounding, missing free throws, poor defensive awareness, etc is NOT LUCK. That happens because of poor preparation, execution, or coaching, especially in close games... especially at the end of the season. Others stating the team was worn out is in the same excuse category... they are 18-22 y/os who played minutes all year long with days of rest in between. Of course, you then could complain about the minutes the HC built up over the year?! Nah... that'd be just complaining. At last glance we were around 6-8 in games decided by 5 points or less, but 1-4 over the last 5 of those to end the season... you know, when it counts! BUT, OSU was something like 2-10 in games we trailed by 5 with 5 min remaining. We were good at keeping a lead with 5 min left, but horrible about coming back in close games. All valid complaints when considering the level of play in the league and how the team was 14-7/6-3 going into the stretch run with almost all the toughest opponents at Gill to finish up.
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Post by jbjam on Mar 21, 2019 13:37:06 GMT -8
But demographics aside, the bigger issue isn't just location (though location plays a factor). the biggest issue that Corvallis presents is it is full of old retired professors and HP engineers that resent the athletic program. I have have been to many small college towns. I would rank Corvallis at the bottom of any list you construct in terms of cities that engage and support the university. Corvallis, as a whole, does not embrace the university. They more generally resent it from my experience. The yuppies in that town hate that their idyllic little coffee shop is over run with frat boys. Corvallis treat OSU like Albany treats LBCC... as this thing that sits over there on the south side of town... Half the people here constantly tow this Corvallis sucks line. Where are you pulling this stuff from? It appears you have personal issues with corvallis. Corvallis has a median age 7 years lower than Eugene, it is 9 years lower than spokan. It has been ranked on many top ten lists as a preferable place to live. It might not be for everyone (clearly it isn't for you.) But, many people and college students enjoy Corvallis. As someone who grew up in SoCal I passed on USC and UCLA to go to OSU (dad was from Oregon.) I wanted to get out of the city for a change. If I wanted, Portland was nearby. I would say hatred for the town is uninformed and unjustified. I have traveled a lot, in the past two years I have spent months in Russia, Italy, France, Japan, Costa Rica, Germany, etc. I don't need to go on. I have been to almost evert state. Corvallis is not a bad town. It has fond memories for me, stop making up excuses to justify ineptness. Does it fit every kid, NO, does it have advantages, YES.
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 21, 2019 14:07:51 GMT -8
Man, watching the tourney and the underdogs fall just short (including with senior leadership against young teams), I'm reminded why we lost so many close games. When a team HAS to get a stop, and a team HAS to will themselves a basket, being bigger and/or faster is a huge advantage. As bad as our conference played, the eye test revealed our lack of advantages in this area. Tres is the alpha of this team, and the other team knows all his tricks by the end of a game, and he's not athletic enough to impose his will against a good D1 defender. It's no wonder we didn't win games unless we had a big enough lead to be in the good side of the foul-for-profit situation.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 21, 2019 14:40:42 GMT -8
Corvallis doesn't suck, it's a great place, but, many of the things brought up about it are very real.
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Post by blackbug on Mar 21, 2019 14:43:31 GMT -8
8.4 out of 10 teams is different than 8.8 out of 12 teams. History lesson... CR coached in both... 3 seasons each! PS- who said they were the same??? It is not about what anyone said. It is about what you neglected to say in the comparison. That is why I stated the difference. All the information that applies is a good thing.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 21, 2019 16:30:31 GMT -8
Lots of room on the Mussleman bandwagon right about now.
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Post by greshambeaver on Mar 21, 2019 19:25:25 GMT -8
Portland is bigger than Kansas City? Portland has 1/3rd the population... And Des Moines has a pop of 645,000 basically exactly equal to PDX. Also, Corvallis is more like It is 85 miles to PDX and 15 from the freeway. Spokane isn't "big" but over 200,000 people live in the city limits. it is bigger than Salem and Keizer combined. It actually has an international airport, the Spokane Valley, Evergreen, America Falls, Post falls area pushes the pop up to 500K. Spokane is home to pretty significant medical schools as several health systems have teaching hospitals there. But demographics aside, the bigger issue isn't just location (though location plays a factor). the biggest issue that Corvallis presents is it is full of old retired professors and HP engineers that resent the athletic program. I have have been to many small college towns. I would rank Corvallis at the bottom of any list you construct in terms of cities that engage and support the university. Corvallis, as a whole, does not embrace the university. They more generally resent it from my experience. The yuppies in that town hate that their idyllic little coffee shop is over run with frat boys. Corvallis treat OSU like Albany treats LBCC... as this thing that sits over there on the south side of town... Not that it matters much to either of our greater points that much but you must be comparing just Portland proper's population to the populations of the entire KC and Des Moines metro areas. Portland proper has 600k+ population but the metro area is near 2.5M, bigger than the KC area and much much much bigger than Des Moines. Yes, agreed, the comparisons are way off. Portland is a major city compared to Spokane, someone mentioned that Spokane has an International airport? So what, if you are over 150,000 in population and are 250 miles from nowhere, you will have an International Airport, besides the definition only needs one International City, so if Spokane has a flight to Vancouver or Calgary it is International. By the definition one horse towns in Montana, Wyoming and the Dakota's have international airports. Sorry if this is off topic for this thread I lost my place. My point is Corvallis is not hayseed city!
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 21, 2019 19:50:47 GMT -8
Not that it matters much to either of our greater points that much but you must be comparing just Portland proper's population to the populations of the entire KC and Des Moines metro areas. Portland proper has 600k+ population but the metro area is near 2.5M, bigger than the KC area and much much much bigger than Des Moines. Yes, agreed, the comparisons are way off. Portland is a major city compared to Spokane, someone mentioned that Spokane has an International airport? So what, if you are over 150,000 in population and are 250 miles from nowhere, you will have an International Airport, besides the definition only needs one International City, so if Spokane has a flight to Vancouver or Calgary it is International. By the definition one horse towns in Montana, Wyoming and the Dakota's have international airports. Sorry if this is off topic for this thread I lost my place. My point is Corvallis is not hayseed city! Corvallis should have a major airport. It’s all set up for it and ready to go. Get on with it.
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Post by blastingsand on Mar 22, 2019 13:43:05 GMT -8
Would love to see an airport in Corvallis and even Albany. It's a chore going all the way to PDX and then riding back when you come back. Eugene's prices aren't worth using.
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Post by albanianbeav on Mar 22, 2019 17:10:56 GMT -8
Lots of room on the Mussleman bandwagon right about now. So you are sitting on the Tinkle bandwagon, mocking Musselman’s? Thanks for the chuckle.
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Post by ag87 on Mar 22, 2019 18:04:54 GMT -8
Yes, agreed, the comparisons are way off. Portland is a major city compared to Spokane, someone mentioned that Spokane has an International airport? So what, if you are over 150,000 in population and are 250 miles from nowhere, you will have an International Airport, besides the definition only needs one International City, so if Spokane has a flight to Vancouver or Calgary it is International. By the definition one horse towns in Montana, Wyoming and the Dakota's have international airports. Sorry if this is off topic for this thread I lost my place. My point is Corvallis is not hayseed city! Corvallis should have a major airport. It’s all set up for it and ready to go. Get on with it. OSU charters many flights a year for various teams. How come they don't use Corvallis airport?
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Post by benny55 on Mar 22, 2019 19:02:43 GMT -8
Not an expert by any means, but expect it is a function of cvo airport limitations. Runways are pretty short by today's standards (for example, a 737-900 requires over 9000 ft to take off fully loaded) and may not be capable of bearing the load. In addition, TSA infrastructure probably isn't in place. For relatively few flights a year it isn't worth upgrading the airport given EUG and PDX accessibility.
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 22, 2019 20:21:46 GMT -8
Lots of room on the Mussleman bandwagon right about now. Because his team lost to a good SEC team? Please expound.
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 22, 2019 20:36:21 GMT -8
Lots of room on the Mussleman bandwagon right about now. Because his team lost to a good SEC team? Please expound. <iframe width="19.360000000000014" height="5.0800000000000125" style="position: absolute; width: 19.360000000000014px; height: 5.0800000000000125px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_25491334" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.360000000000014" height="5.0800000000000125" style="position: absolute; width: 19.36px; height: 5.08px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 912px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_34281854" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.360000000000014" height="5.0800000000000125" style="position: absolute; width: 19.36px; height: 5.08px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 192px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_36135259" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.360000000000014" height="5.0800000000000125" style="position: absolute; width: 19.36px; height: 5.08px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 912px; top: 192px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_88044070" scrolling="no"></iframe> Because he returned a complete team that made a good run last year that should have paid dividends this year, and they faded. That was a very disappointing finish to their season, not just the first-round loss. They went 24-1, and then closed the season going 5-5, losing every meaningful game. Nothing to do with WT, that was not a stellar result for a team that talented and experienced.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 22, 2019 20:59:50 GMT -8
Lots of room on the Mussleman bandwagon right about now. Because his team lost to a good SEC team? Please expound. Florida lost 15 games, took eighth place in the SEC, and was eliminated in the quarterfinals of the SEC tournament. It was not a good SEC team. Nevada was the MWC regular-season champion, faded in the final weeks of the regular season, lost in the semis of the MWC tournament and then came out and laid an egg in the NCAAs, falling behind by 18 points.
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