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Post by mountainbeaver on Jun 29, 2018 7:23:04 GMT -8
I think your observation is pretty spot on. You could take OSU, Stanford, UW and UCLA and match up very well against any SEC team. The bottom half of the PAC was weaker this year than the SEC which was fair enough THIS year.
With that said though, one gets tired of the constant media prattle about the dominance of the SEC as though no one else stands a chance against their superiority. By my count,the PAC 12 has 29 national baseball titles, 5 since 2000. It irritates me that our conference has to scrap to get 4 teams in while 10 SEC teams get a free pass into the tourney because the conference is so much better. Our 2016 team went something like 36-16 and didn’t even get an invite. There is bias that pisses me off which makes this years win all the more sweet. Although I have a lot of respect for your conference, you all really ought to come out west occassionally and play a few games. You might even find the bottom half of our conference is better than you think.
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Post by steinlager on Jun 29, 2018 7:32:03 GMT -8
I would like to see a PAC 12-SEC challenge. Preseason games in Arizona or maybe alternate home and away teams yearly. Not sure how to make the numbers balance out as Colorado doesn't play baseball.
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Post by zeroposter on Jun 29, 2018 7:47:02 GMT -8
The SEC is the best baseball league in the country right now. Hopefully, ASU, USC, and Cal will get back to being quality programs. Arizona was wildly inconsistent from week to week.
I also think Arkansas was outstanding. Given that, though, Minnesota might be top 4 in the country at the end of the season. There will probably be 6 SEC teams ranked above Minnesota in the final poll, and that will be total bull.
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Post by beavsaregood on Jun 29, 2018 9:19:36 GMT -8
No. Not 10 teams.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 29, 2018 9:40:14 GMT -8
Oh, stop whining. Every winning team is often one or two plays away from defeat. The fact is that OSU ate SEC teams for lunch in this year's playoffs (how's 6-1 sound?). And I'd be surprised if the top 3-4 teams in the Pac couldn't more than hold their own vs top SEC teams year to year. In that vein, I'd love to see more in-season SEC-PAC non league series. The simple fact is that the SEC's contract with ESPN and the publicity it's resulted in has given the SEC hype and PR advantages the PAC lacks. Would you say the top 10 teams in the PAC12 would matchup well with the SEC? Well, LSU made the tournament. I'd say every Pac-12 team except Utah and Wazzu was as good as LSU was this year. You will be good again, but that team this year made the tournament on its reputation, and on the coattails of the other SEC teams.
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Post by jrbeavo on Jun 29, 2018 9:44:12 GMT -8
Go to the Tiger Droppings forum, from there you can link to a sub forum called SEC Rant. Worth a spin...
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Post by civiltiger on Jun 29, 2018 9:44:46 GMT -8
Would you say the top 10 teams in the PAC12 would matchup well with the SEC? Well, LSU made the tournament. I'd say every Pac-12 team except Utah and Wazzu was as good as LSU was this year. You will be good again, but that team this year made the tournament on its reputation, and on the coattails of the other SEC teams. Oh yea Utah and wazzu? I would of considered taking you seriously if you mentioned Cal, Arizona or Arizona state.
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Post by steinlager on Jun 29, 2018 9:56:01 GMT -8
Well, LSU made the tournament. I'd say every Pac-12 team except Utah and Wazzu was as good as LSU was this year. You will be good again, but that team this year made the tournament on its reputation, and on the coattails of the other SEC teams. Oh yea Utah and wazzu? I would of considered taking you seriously if you mentioned Cal, Arizona or Arizona state. I would like to see an SEC team go to Utah or Pullman and see how easy it is to roll them. High elevation at Utah and Pullman weather can be problematic and erase any talent advantages visiting teams may have.
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Post by civiltiger on Jun 29, 2018 9:59:49 GMT -8
Oh yea Utah and wazzu? I would of considered taking you seriously if you mentioned Cal, Arizona or Arizona state. I would like to see an SEC team go to Utah or Pullman and see how easy it is to roll them. High elevation at Utah and Pullman weather can be problematic and erase any talent advantages visiting teams may have. Ok so they have a home field advantage. That doesn’t mean that the team is better. However, I would still like LSU is a matchup against a team that was 16-39.
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Post by irimi on Jun 29, 2018 11:13:35 GMT -8
Well, LSU made the tournament. I'd say every Pac-12 team except Utah and Wazzu was as good as LSU was this year. You will be good again, but that team this year made the tournament on its reputation, and on the coattails of the other SEC teams. Oh yea Utah and wazzu? I would of have considered taking you seriously if you mentioned Cal, Arizona or Arizona state.
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Post by irimi on Jun 29, 2018 11:21:37 GMT -8
Oh, stop whining. Every winning team is often one or two plays away from defeat. The fact is that OSU ate SEC teams for lunch in this year's playoffs (how's 6-1 sound?). And I'd be surprised if the top 3-4 teams in the Pac couldn't more than hold their own vs top SEC teams year to year. In that vein, I'd love to see more in-season SEC-PAC non league series. The simple fact is that the SEC's contract with ESPN and the publicity it's resulted in has given the SEC hype and PR advantages the PAC lacks. No whining here man. Go look at me post. I wanted OSU to beat Mississippi State, and posted on here that I thought OSU would win both games before the series started. This OSU team is ridiculously talented team. Madrigal, Larnach, and Grenier are legit hitters that got drafted as such. Then Adley might be a better hitter than all of those guys. Having four guys on one college team is crazy. OSU pretty much destroyed all teams they played this year, and they won the National Championship. Sure the top 3-4 teams in the Pac 12 would match up well with the top 3-4 teams in the SEC not really a surprising statement. However, the SEC had 10 teams make the NCAA tournament. Would you say the top 10 teams in the PAC12 would matchup well with the SEC? I'd say the top 50% of each conference would be a good matchup. Don't talk about which teams were selected to the tournament because there's too much bias in the selection process. Certainly, you would agree that not all 10 SEC teams deserved to get in, and you could possibly agree that maybe a couple of Pac 12 teams got slighted. I do love the obvious enthusiasm for baseball in the SEC. However, I kind of like the quiet here out West since it means the Beavs can more easily attract top talent.
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Post by NativeBeav on Jun 29, 2018 11:46:27 GMT -8
Oh, stop whining. Every winning team is often one or two plays away from defeat. The fact is that OSU ate SEC teams for lunch in this year's playoffs (how's 6-1 sound?). And I'd be surprised if the top 3-4 teams in the Pac couldn't more than hold their own vs top SEC teams year to year. In that vein, I'd love to see more in-season SEC-PAC non league series. The simple fact is that the SEC's contract with ESPN and the publicity it's resulted in has given the SEC hype and PR advantages the PAC lacks. How many SEC baseball players does it take to catch a pop up foul for the national championship? We don't really know but it's more than 3. Especially when the guy (can't remember his name, position) that comes running in to catch the fly ball, actually brushes past one of his teammates, then muffs the catch by misjudging it. It wasn't as if all three had an equal chance at the ball - the one that called it and came running in was in the least best position to catch it - he just wanted to have the glory of catching the final out. Not a team player, at that moment - greed did him in, IMHO. Go watch the tape, especially in slo mo
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 29, 2018 13:01:59 GMT -8
Well, LSU made the tournament. I'd say every Pac-12 team except Utah and Wazzu was as good as LSU was this year. You will be good again, but that team this year made the tournament on its reputation, and on the coattails of the other SEC teams. Oh yea Utah and wazzu? I would of considered taking you seriously if you mentioned Cal, Arizona or Arizona state. We lost 2 of 3 to Arizona, which should have been in the tournament. ASU and Cal were competitive. You weren't.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Jun 29, 2018 13:26:57 GMT -8
How many SEC baseball players does it take to catch a pop up foul for the national championship? We don't really know but it's more than 3. Especially when the guy (can't remember his name, position) that comes running in to catch the fly ball, actually brushes past one of his teammates, then muffs the catch by misjudging it. It wasn't as if all three had an equal chance at the ball - the one that called it and came running in was in the least best position to catch it - he just wanted to have the glory of catching the final out. Not a team player, at that moment - greed did him in, IMHO. Go watch the tape, especially in slo mo Carson Shaddy is his name. He just got caught up in the moment and had an epic fail. He will live with it for the rest of his life and I'm sure he is 100x's harder on himself than others could be. I only hope that the Arkansas players, coaches, and fans support him and help him through it all.
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Post by NativeBeav on Jun 29, 2018 13:41:50 GMT -8
Especially when the guy (can't remember his name, position) that comes running in to catch the fly ball, actually brushes past one of his teammates, then muffs the catch by misjudging it. It wasn't as if all three had an equal chance at the ball - the one that called it and came running in was in the least best position to catch it - he just wanted to have the glory of catching the final out. Not a team player, at that moment - greed did him in, IMHO. Go watch the tape, especially in slo mo Carson Shaddy is his name. He just got caught up in the moment and had an epic fail. He will live with it for the rest of his life and I'm sure he is 100x's harder on himself than others could be. I only hope that the Arkansas players, coaches, and fans support him and help him through it all. I would agree with that. Actually, pastor at our church in a conversation after the game said he was praying for the kid, knowing how brutal friendly fire can be from your own fan base - not to mention that many of us are, as you so aptly stated, 100X harder on ourselves than anyone else can be. Need to let it go, live to play another day!
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