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Post by beaverbeliever on Jun 26, 2018 20:48:30 GMT -8
Pictures, thousand words, all that:
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 26, 2018 20:56:58 GMT -8
Pictures, thousand words, all that: Brutal. |
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Post by beaverbeliever on Jun 26, 2018 22:57:33 GMT -8
Here's the full sequence. Good lord.
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Post by obf on Jun 27, 2018 0:04:11 GMT -8
From the NCAA baseball rules here (I couldn't find the 17-18 rule book, I assume the rule is the same from 15-16): The Force-Play-Slide Rule does indeed say: However directly after that it says this: CLEARLY, Adley, stopping, ducking and running toward the pitchers mound was an attempt to avoid contact and avoid altering the play. Indeed he did NOT make contact and did NOT alter the play... Especially in light of the PERFECTLY LEGAL SLIDE that was called interference against the Beavers against MSU, it is plain to see that Adley is attempting to be EXTRA SURE NOT to interfere... The fact that the call was made, or that folks like Aaron Fitt or Kendel Rodgers can defend it with a straight face is astonishing and mind blowing. |
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Post by texasdad on Jun 27, 2018 4:09:03 GMT -8
If this call is against the Hogs I'm not going to be thrilled, but you guys need to suck it up... The call was made because the runner was too close to the bag for the baseman to make a direct line throw to first. Agreed, at the moment of the attempted throw there wasn't a receiving player at first. Whether the SS double pumped because nobody was on the bag or because the runner was in line and couldn't decide to get down and peel away (the runner did a head jog up an down in line of the throw) we will never know. However, it's pretty common to throw to an unoccupied bag (while the receiving player is in route) and that option was removed by the runner not following the intent of the rule.
This was a very costly mental mistake that was on the edge of a rule, if the kid slides or peels away he has no possibility of effecting the play.
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Post by badwack on Jun 27, 2018 4:41:57 GMT -8
My view is the SS had clear path to throw. He was not touched. Note the mess at first base had nothing to do with the Hogs cluster dance at First.
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Post by ricke71 on Jun 27, 2018 6:33:17 GMT -8
Call was borderline, but (in Devil's Advocate mode) I can't say that the 4 photo sequence above shows that Adley "ran in a direction away from the fielder" or "toward the pitchers mound". He should have peeled off right or left.
The umpire is in great position, looking right at Adley and at the SS...it's not his job to also look at 1st base to see if anyone is there ready to receive a throw.
As athletic as Adley is, I'm surprised he didn't peel off (since he was clearly out), but instead went into his ducking mode...which in the case of a player of his size, still leaves quite an obstruction in the line of throw.
For the sake of pounding the Hogs today, I hope (and trust) that the players level of obsession with this play is well below that of us mere fans.
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Post by vhalum92 on Jun 27, 2018 7:04:10 GMT -8
Having said all of that... the Tar Heel Cleating Cadyn should have been called and maybe an ejection considered.
Again, in baseball your not going to always agree with the calls but there has to be some level of consistency and accountability for the umpires.
Not getting the call on the worst of all slides/plays makes accepting a borderline call all the more difficult.
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Post by nabeav on Jun 27, 2018 7:39:26 GMT -8
There never has been consistency in umpiring, and there never will be. I don't know this to be a fact, but I'm guessing the umpire at second base on the Malone slide, the Rutchman slide, and the Cadyn cleating were not the same person. If one guy had made all those calls, then yes, you have a gripe about consistency. But every umpire has their own interpretation of the rules, just like every fan interprets it differently. The Malone call was far worse than the Adley call in my opinion. Adley pretty much could've done anything except what he did (go into tank mode and jog directly at the shortstop) and not been called. Cadyn's foot is smack dab in the middle of the bag when he got hit in the knee, so I don't know how anyone could say that the guy didn't slide into the bag. The rule says interference won't be called if you slide away from the bag to avoid making contact, but I don't know what it says about sliding into the bag TO make contact. That being said, it looked like the kid did intentionally bring his leg up to make contact with Cadyn, which probably would get him a fastball between the numbers if we played them again....but again I'm not sure he actually violated any rule in the rulebook.
What's really disappointing to me is that OSU as a whole can't let these things go. The 2017-18 Beavs are probably the best collection of talent we've ever seen on the baseball field, and all we're going to remember about them is that the umps sucked, the Oregonian deliberately tried to prevent us from winning a national championship, and a kid from North Carolina made contact with Cadyn's knee, did not cause an injury or affect the play in any way, and the umpires did NOTHING ABOUT IT.
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