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Post by ochobeavo on Jun 21, 2018 6:59:17 GMT -8
- Apologies if I missed it. Did PC discuss what happened on the Armstrong bunt attempt?
- Feels like no one has mentioned Mulholland being absolutely nails for 3 innings. Completely shut them down, despite getting hosed on a couple of those walks. Looks like he threw 42 pitches. Would think he can go again on Friday.
- Love ya Jack, but we need Kwan in that enormous CF. I think I would take Kwan at 80%.
- Still not down on Luke. 2 swinging bunt hits, an error and a bad zone - didn't pitch nearly as bad as his line. Hope Luke isn't down on Luke.
- Fair/Foul - I still have no idea, but all I know is that just about every time a questionable call comes up in the CWS, we're told that that type of play isn't reviewable. Baffles me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 7:08:19 GMT -8
- Apologies if I missed it. Did PC discuss what happened on the Armstrong bunt attempt? - Feels like no one has mentioned Mulholland being absolutely nails for 3 innings. Completely shut them down, despite getting hosed on a couple of those walks. Looks like he threw 42 pitches. Would think he can go again on Friday. - Love ya Jack, but we need Kwan in that enormous CF. I think I would take Kwan at 80%. - Still not down on Luke. 2 swinging bunt hits, an error and a bad zone - didn't pitch nearly as bad as his line. Hope Luke isn't down on Luke. - Fair/Foul - I still have no idea, but all I know is that just about every time a questionable call comes up in the CWS, we're told that that type of play isn't reviewable. Baffles me. Chamberlain and Mulholland tag teamed very effectively despite the moving target at the plate. Even Luke showed flashes of his real self, but as adroitly noted here, he seemed to lose focus when his low fast ball was disqualified by inferior umpiring. Maybe his pitching was actually challenge dby Carolina's good bats. They raked some balls that were well placed. That Anderson gaffe at the wall? Yeah Kwan eats those for lunch. That hurt. |
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Post by zeroposter on Jun 21, 2018 7:09:40 GMT -8
Casey said he had a lengthy discussion with AA. Andy bunted on his own. It was a pretty humorous reply by Casey in the interviews posted by filmbeaver in an earlier thread.
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Post by irimi on Jun 21, 2018 7:54:35 GMT -8
To me, it looked like Casey didn’t expect or want that question asked. So in the interview, it’s almost as if you can see Coach trying to figure out the correct way to spin the answer so that the media doesn’t make something big out of it. The first words out of his mouth were something like: We didn’t give the bunt sign.
I think the whole team misses Kwan in center. Jack did what he could and he nearly got that shot at the wall, but Kwan would have had that one and wouldn’t have collided with the infielders.
I’m wondering if Luke struggles when he doesn’t get the calls he expects. Otherwise, I can’t explain how he can go from being lights out to decent.
Clearly, replay is going to be able to assist on calls like that one last night. And it’s a shame that they are afraid to use it that way. But a good team has to overcome all the obstacles. Take the men in blue out of the game.
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Post by ochobeavo on Jun 21, 2018 8:01:43 GMT -8
To me, it looked like Casey didn’t expect or want that question asked. So in the interview, it’s almost as if you can see Coach trying to figure out the correct way to spin the answer so that the media doesn’t make something big out of it. The first words out of his mouth were something like: We didn’t give the bunt sign. I think the whole team misses Kwan in center. Jack did what he could and he nearly got that shot at the wall, but Kwan would have had that one and wouldn’t have collided with the infielders. I’m wondering if Luke struggles when he doesn’t get the calls he expects. Otherwise, I can’t explain how he can go from being lights out to decent. Clearly, replay is going to be able to assist on calls like that one last night. And it’s a shame that they are afraid to use it that way. But a good team has to overcome all the obstacles. Take the men in blue out of the game. and it appeared to me a couple times that Jack was playing about 5 feet from the warning track to begin with. Slight exaggeration... maybe... |
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Post by nabeav on Jun 21, 2018 8:03:00 GMT -8
There was never going to be a camera angle that definitively told you if a ball 20 feet in the air crosses over the bag. Had that been reviewed, there's zero chance the call on the field would've been overturned.
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Post by kersting13 on Jun 21, 2018 8:08:09 GMT -8
There was never going to be a camera angle that definitively told you if a ball 20 feet in the air crosses over the bag. Had that been reviewed, there's zero chance the call on the field would've been overturned. we just need lasers in the bases that are visible by the replay booth only. Simple. fix.  |
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Post by ochobeavo on Jun 21, 2018 8:12:04 GMT -8
There was never going to be a camera angle that definitively told you if a ball 20 feet in the air crosses over the bag. Had that been reviewed, there's zero chance the call on the field would've been overturned. Oh I definitely agree with you there on that particular play. It's more a general frustration of "we couldn't even take a look if we wanted to" on that play and so many others. If I understand correctly, replay is not allowed to simply show if someone is safe/out on the bases (that seems very important and a great use of replay). But we will definitely use replay to show if there was spectator interference. |
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Post by rollotomasi on Jun 21, 2018 9:10:12 GMT -8
- Apologies if I missed it. Did PC discuss what happened on the Armstrong bunt attempt? - Feels like no one has mentioned Mulholland being absolutely nails for 3 innings. Completely shut them down, despite getting hosed on a couple of those walks. Looks like he threw 42 pitches. Would think he can go again on Friday. - Love ya Jack, but we need Kwan in that enormous CF. I think I would take Kwan at 80%. - Still not down on Luke. 2 swinging bunt hits, an error and a bad zone - didn't pitch nearly as bad as his line. Hope Luke isn't down on Luke. - Fair/Foul - I still have no idea, but all I know is that just about every time a questionable call comes up in the CWS, we're told that that type of play isn't reviewable. Baffles me. The ball was foul. It was foul. The replay showed it definitively. The broadcast team agreed it was foul. It was never fair during it's entire course of travel. That was a missed call that allowed two runs to score. |
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Post by nabeav on Jun 21, 2018 9:50:21 GMT -8
It clearly bounces on the plate, making it a fair ball initially. After that, from that angle (which is not directly on the line), it will look more foul than it actually is the entire way. It may very well have been foul, but it's far from "definitive."
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Post by sagebrush on Jun 21, 2018 9:52:32 GMT -8
Actually it did hit fair, barely on the outside of the line on its first bounce and from their ended clearly in foul territory. Even without the straight-line view down the line, simple geometry tells you that if the path of the ball went outside first base.
From an umpiring perspective, you don't kill a play unless you are sure. It is OK to let something happen and then get together to get it right. Once you kill it, you never get that chance to make it right.
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Post by OriginalWhizzinator on Jun 21, 2018 10:14:19 GMT -8
There was never going to be a camera angle that definitively told you if a ball 20 feet in the air crosses over the bag. Had that been reviewed, there's zero chance the call on the field would've been overturned. we just need lasers in the bases that are visible by the replay booth only. Simple. fix.  |
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Post by rollotomasi on Jun 21, 2018 10:15:16 GMT -8
It clearly bounces on the plate, making it a fair ball initially. After that, from that angle (which is not directly on the line), it will look more foul than it actually is the entire way. It may very well have been foul, but it's far from "definitive." It was foul. There is no way that's not a foul ball. |
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Post by beaverdude on Jun 21, 2018 10:28:57 GMT -8
The rule is:
A FAIR BALL is a batted ball that settles on fair ground between home and first base, or between home and third base, or that is on or over fair territory when bounding to the outfield past first or third base, or that touches first, second or third base, or that first falls on fair territory on or beyond first base or third base, or that, while on or over fair territory touches the person of an umpire or player, or that, while over fair territory, passes out of the playing field in flight.
The ump is focused on here the ball passes first base and isn't concerned (correctly) where it lands. The replay isn't a down the line view while the ump is in correct position straddling the line. The ball only needs to be inside the line as it crosses first base.
As much as I wanted it to be a foul ball it's really to close to call and the replay angles are poor.
The good news is the Beavs overcame it to stay alive and that's all that really matters.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 21, 2018 12:10:07 GMT -8
The rule is: A FAIR BALL is a batted ball that settles on fair ground between home and first base, or between home and third base, or that is on or over fair territory when bounding to the outfield past first or third base, or that touches first, second or third base, or that first falls on fair territory on or beyond first base or third base, or that, while on or over fair territory touches the person of an umpire or player, or that, while over fair territory, passes out of the playing field in flight. The ump is focused on here the ball passes first base and isn't concerned (correctly) where it lands. The replay isn't a down the line view while the ump is in correct position straddling the line. The ball only needs to be inside the line as it crosses first base. As much as I wanted it to be a foul ball it's really to close to call and the replay angles are poor. The good news is the Beavs overcame it to stay alive and that's all that really matters. Pretty sure we all get that already. Overwhelming consensus is that it was NOT in fair territory when it passed first base. Nobody here that I've seen is making a case based on where it lands. |
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