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Post by nabeav on Jun 11, 2018 20:29:15 GMT -8
Danny Moran cost the beavs the 2017 Championship. move this piece to the dumping ground please. We scored a grand total of 2 runs in the two losses to LSU. Not sure it mattered if we had Kershaw on the mound. I don’t think we were winning the CWS last year regardless. |
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Post by irimi on Jun 11, 2018 21:09:19 GMT -8
How about whoever it was that kept them glued together during Nick's absence? I didn't get to follow all the games, so I'll throw out some names--Gretler, Grenier, Larnach, or Rutschman. Adley became Clutchman during that spell, so I'll nominate him. I'm not trying to minimize Luke's efforts, but after all, he played just one game a week, and we sort of expected him to perform as he did. Stepping up to fill Nick's leadership on the field was essential, and I think Adley did that well. Double A (Andy Armstrong) was defensively great during that spell, too. |
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Post by ag87 on Jun 12, 2018 19:53:30 GMT -8
Not a matter of being lucky... that kid has been unfairly attacked and verbally abused since the 'moron' article. I am not going to jump on anyone until I actually have just a sliver of facts to form an opinion. I have none, so, I am all in on recognizing him for his citizenship, commitment to school and athletic achievements since the reported incident. These are patterns that 'most' of our population cannot live by at any point in their lives. Luke deserves all of the recognition, and more, that he is not just receiving, but that he is EARNING. I fully expect that there is at least one GM, with some common sense out there, that will find a way for Luke to earn what he deserves. I certainly hope so. It is amazing to me that we have become such a divided society that you can only see black and white. The fact is, there are numerous situations - especially involving other people, that require a broader look and interpretation as well as information from numerous sources.. Don't write anyone off until you know the facts and circumstances..Luke has demonstrated real courage throughout this entire mess. Go Luke Go Beavers.... No time for much of a post, but in the last week I have wondered who the 2018 version of Branch Rickey is. |
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Post by seastape on Jun 12, 2018 20:01:07 GMT -8
Danny Moran cost the beavs the 2017 Championship. move this piece to the dumping ground please. We scored a grand total of 2 runs in the two losses to LSU. Not sure it mattered if we had Kershaw on the mound. I don’t think we were winning the CWS last year regardless. That's possible, but it's also possible that the whole situation put the team in a real funk that they had trouble getting out of, even more so as the days went by. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 12, 2018 20:17:25 GMT -8
Danny Moran. Luke never pitches this year without that article. So without it, Luke never becomes all time strikeout leader, wins leader, etc. Never wins any of the accolades he got this season. Until Abel's performance in the Regionals, nobody was sure who our Sunday guy was. Now add Saturday to that. Bullpen gets used a lot more, more pressure put on every at bat......season probably looks vastly different without Luke. Luke was likely a second round draft pick last year, with a guaranteed signing bonus of somewhere in the neighborhood of $1.5M. So yes, he was cost a significant chunk of change. But statistically, only about half of all second rounders ever make the major leagues. Luke making the majors was still a coin flip. Plus, from listening to the Joe Beaver Show, Luke is now one of the most beloved OSU athletes of all time. Dave from Tumwater called him the Jackie Robinson of juvenile adjudicants, a lady calling today talked about him looking at her in the stands as he walked off the Coleman Field mound for the last time with the same reverence people use to tell stories about their brush encounters with the Beatles or the U.S. President (well, not the current one). He'll never buy another meal in Corvallis, especially if we bring home a trophy from Omaha. This is the hottest of hot takes. I dig it. In a cynical, sardonic way... you are absolutely correct. it don't feel right. I don't like it... but it is the way the cookie crumbled. Are we in the CWS without Hemlich? maybe yes, maybe no. Abel looks like next years Friday guy (my hot take). I think Grambell/Chamberlain hold down #3? maybe? I dunno. at any rate. yeah. it is what it is. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 12, 2018 21:42:14 GMT -8
How about whoever it was that kept them glued together during Nick's absence? I didn't get to follow all the games, so I'll throw out some names--Gretler, Grenier, Larnach, or Rutschman. Adley became Clutchman during that spell, so I'll nominate him. I'm not trying to minimize Luke's efforts, but after all, he played just one game a week, and we sort of expected him to perform as he did. Stepping up to fill Nick's leadership on the field was essential, and I think Adley did that well. Oregon State is 29-4-1 (.868) with Nick on the field and 20-6 (.769) with Nick on the sideline. Oregon State is 83-10-1 (.888) with Nick on the field over the past two years. I'm pretty sure that Nick led from the dugout. Nick has been the MVP, so far. The Beavers are great when they are great up the middle. However, I think the guy who showed the most leadership in Nick's absence was the oldest current Beaver, Jack Anderson (who celebrated his 24th birthday during game 1 of the Corvallis Super Regional). Adley handles the pitchers well. Adley also hustles. It looks like his is giving 100% every play. It is hard for a sophomore to be a true leader, though. |
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Post by OriginalWhizzinator on Jun 12, 2018 23:14:25 GMT -8
The little known 4th rule of Fight Club was to never use radio show callers as an accurate snapshot of the rest of the population. He got a standing ovation as he walked off the mound from 4,000+ on Friday. Without Moran, he's treated similarly to Wetzler, Moore, Nickerson, Buck, etc. in his last outing. No way he's as beloved as he is right now. Don’t know if I’d go as far as calling Luke “beloved.” I’m sure I’m not alone among Beaver fans who still find the whole situation to be a little icky or at the very least unsettling. By all accounts, he’s been a model citizen since coming to OSU, and whatever happened is now in the past. I feel bad for Luke with the timing of everything coming out last year just prior to SR, and him going undrafted two years in a row. But this is a reminder that our actions can sometimes have long-lasting consequences, and I also feel bad for the alleged victim. So while I appreciate what he’s done for OSU and am glad he’s made an effort to turn his life around, can’t say I love him as a person after what he’s alleged to have done. |
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Post by OriginalWhizzinator on Jun 12, 2018 23:16:41 GMT -8
To add...without Danny Moran, the Beavers probably win the title last year, or at least make it past LSU and face off against Florida in the finals. So there’s that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 5:15:07 GMT -8
This thread is still around? What a lame take and what an eye opener to the many splendored bird brains we have in this forum. I'm done here.
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Post by mbabeav on Jun 13, 2018 9:01:07 GMT -8
Thank you for moving this!
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Post by obf on Jun 14, 2018 13:24:45 GMT -8
Danny Moran cost the beavs the 2017 Championship. move this piece to the dumping ground please. We scored a grand total of 2 runs in the two losses to LSU. Not sure it mattered if we had Kershaw on the mound. I don’t think we were winning the CWS last year regardless. We score a grand total of 2 runs.... with an ump that was calling strikes on throws to first... You don't think there might have been some bias involved? |
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Post by nabeav on Jun 14, 2018 14:56:50 GMT -8
Ah, so it was a conspiracy against the Beavs! Was this because LSU was in the SEC, because Luke was on the team, the umpire being sponsored by a rival apparel company....? Without evidence to the contrary, I have to believe he'd have called those pitches strikes against LSU too, but Fehmel didn't throw out there.
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Post by obf on Jun 14, 2018 15:51:45 GMT -8
Ah, so it was a conspiracy against the Beavs! Was this because LSU was in the SEC, because Luke was on the team, the umpire being sponsored by a rival apparel company....? Without evidence to the contrary, I have to believe he'd have called those pitches strikes against LSU too, but Fehmel didn't throw out there. Conspiracy is probably too strong of a word. But the calls really were THAT bad and THAT inexplicable, as to question the motives and impartiality of Mr. Street. It's not like it was just Beaver fans noticing either... Just google Greg Street the first few articles are about non Beaver fans tweet how egregious the calls were and how Greg Street shouldn't work the CWS ever again... And you bring up a great point, it could have had nothing to do with Heimlich... I had forgotten that Greg Street is a SEC Umpire... So you are probably correct it was probably more of an SEC bias. None of that is really germaine to the discussion though, and I apologize, I took us down the rabbit hole. The origional issue at hand was this clearly hyperbolic the statement, "Danny Moran cost the beavs the 2017 Championship". One pitcher does not determine the outcome of (what is in essence) a triple elimination tournament. And, yes, the offense could have been better. But, it certainly wouldn't have hurt the beavers to have the best pitcher in all of college baseball helping out. Maybe he throws a shut out, greg street and all and we win that game 1-0, and who knows what happens in the championship series... |
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Post by nabeav on Jun 14, 2018 20:53:40 GMT -8
I think losing Donahue had more of an impact in the CWS than losing Heimlich did. Just my opinion.
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Post by obf on Jun 14, 2018 22:15:24 GMT -8
I think losing Donahue had more of an impact in the CWS than losing Heimlich did. Just my opinion. Wait... You think a meh left fielder who was only batting an empty .258 and wasn't even a full time starter was a more important loss than the best pitcher in college baseball who most outings provided a guaranteed win with even a single run from the offense??? Wow. OK... BTW, did they ever say what the team rule was that Donahue broke? Must have been pretty bad missing the entire CWS is a pretty stiff penalty. He is playing in the cubs organization now, A ball, still bopping a long as an utility guy with an empty 250ish average, looks like he is striking out a ton as well... |
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