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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 11:27:30 GMT -8
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Post by seastape on May 25, 2018 19:55:16 GMT -8
Been wondering that for some time. |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on May 25, 2018 21:13:51 GMT -8
Been wondering that for some time. I am of mixed minds on this matter as well. When I am in a snarky, cynical mood (usually after yet another loss) I am thinking: "these coaches are useless, they are just pocketing millions while showcasing their offspring.......Tres and the Thompson kids get all the P.T., and do whatever they want out there because they never get benched.....and this drives away all the other talent that just wants a fair shake......" When I am in a more charitable, optimistic frame of mind (usually after a win) I am thinking: "Oh! What a hole an endless parade of lousy coaches dug us! Between Ritchie and Jimmy and Jay John no wonder we are barely treading water.......it's the AD's fault! The Beavers ran out of gas! They got a flat tire! Wayne didn’t have change for cab fare! He lost his tux at the cleaners! He locked his keys in the car! An old friend came in from out of town! Someone stole his car! There was an earthquake! A terrible flood! Locusts! IT WASN’T WAYNE'S FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!......We are sooooo lucky the coach's talent offspring all chose to come to Corvallis and dig us out of the hole!" And then I think of that country western song: "there are three sides to every story, my side, your side and the cold hard truth......" And then I hope I have a women's basketball game recorded on the DVR so I can watch good basketball. :-). [Disclaimer: Tongue firmly in cheek]. Go Beavers!!! |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 26, 2018 6:42:38 GMT -8
Tres would start on every single Pac-12 team, the Thompsons on almost every one. I can't see why people have such problems with us having them. Coaches kids or not, they were all high 3-, low-4-star recruits and are excellent players.
Barnes is a courtesy walk-on.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 26, 2018 7:16:21 GMT -8
Tres would start on every single Pac-12 team, the Thompsons on almost every one. I can't see why people have such problems with us having them. Coaches kids or not, they were all high 3-, low-4-star recruits and are excellent players. Barnes is a courtesy walk-on. A slight correction, they were all mid to high 4 star recruits. From what I'm seeing Ethan was around the 11th (out of about 100) highest ranked 4 star recruit last year and Tres and Stevie were right in the middle of the 4 star ranks the year they came in. All three would have been considered good gets by any team in the league, 'cept maybe for tsdtr which seemed be concentrating on finding players with more extensive college and criminal resumes at the time. Some posters focus on the family aspect and not the stars. I'm not overly crazy about the star rating thing, but even using that Tinkle has done a better job than the last parade of coaches through here. |
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Post by thetruebeav on May 26, 2018 7:36:16 GMT -8
This is such a non issue. Tinkle & the Thompson are quality student athletes. Our recruiting class is the 2nd best since Tinkle took over and we upgraded at several positions. We lost a guy that declared early. This happens at all good programs but we aren't used to it. Regardless of us fans think it was the right decision. Our program was in the depths of being so non competitive for soooooooo many years. Anyone want Jay John the ding dong back? When John got the boot remember how many peeps turned us down? Then we hired Coach Rob and he gave us a small pulse and I truly believe half of that was his connection with a certain Prez . After the luster of seeing him at a political national convention we realized that well he ain't very good. Let's all take a deep breath and remember all those years with Little Richey McKay to Coach Rob. Tinkle is like most coaches in the profession... yes he flaws. But I for one, will continue to give him my full support. I ride with Tink!!
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Post by seastape on May 26, 2018 8:11:52 GMT -8
I have no problem with the Thompsons, Tres, or Barnes' kid as far as playing ability or the fact that they were good recruits. I agree with most posters that say that those are good recruits that a lot of other teams would be more than happy to have. (Barnes is an exception, but he's a walkon, so no concern there)
My concern is more of having too much family in the organization itself, which can interfere when it's time to make the tough decisions. I have known several small business owners who have told me that there is such a thing as having too much family in a business...and I 've seen small businesses have problems because of difficult decisions with too many family members weighing in.
I don't have statistics to back it up, it is only personal experience, but sometimes there is too much family around an organization. Is this one? I don't know. But if the new guards come in and at least one can actually be a good floor general....something we've needed for a while...is one of the Thompson brothers going to give up minutes? Is it going to be an issue? I don't know, but it's a concern.
Frankly, I think our bigger issues are 1) that we don't seem to have an offensive game plan and 2) we--yet again!--are facing a real lack of depth coming up this year. Family or no family, Tinkle needs to push us forward this year.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 26, 2018 8:31:16 GMT -8
The offensive game plan issue has been one spot where I've really questioned what is going on. Last year was the first season I actually felt like I saw a semblance of an offense beyond move the ball for 18-20 seconds then try to score somehow before the clock runs out. I started seeing what I felt was more plays with a purpose... It's not like the gal's team, but at least it seems to make some sense to me now, it hasn't in earlier years. I'm hoping the lack of offensive scheme was a combination of youth, experience, player mix and lack of a true point guard most years (basically the only true point guard under Tinkle we've had that had a year of experience, albeit under another coach, was Malcolm) and that that particular combination is fading away now that he's had a few players in his system for three years.
I do wish Drew was coming back for one more year, but I do think they've brought in some young players who are going to upgrade our depth compared to what it's been in the past.
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Post by seastape on May 26, 2018 8:56:42 GMT -8
The offensive game plan issue has been one spot where I've really questioned what is going on. Last year was the first season I actually felt like I saw a semblance of an offense beyond move the ball for 18-20 seconds then try to score somehow before the clock runs out. I started seeing what I felt was more plays with a purpose... It's not like the gal's team, but at least it seems to make some sense to me now, it hasn't in earlier years. I'm hoping the lack of offensive scheme was a combination of youth, experience, player mix and lack of a true point guard most years (basically themuch only true point guard under Tinkle we've had that had a year of experience, albeit under another coach, was Malcolm) and that that particular combination is fading away now that he's had a few players in his system for three years. I do wish Drew was coming back for one more year, but I do think they've brought in some young players who are going to upgrade our depth compared to what it's been in the past. I agree to a great extent. Truth of the matter, I can't help but be a little excited for this recruiting class on the issue of depth and getting some big men help. I feel good about the guard play with Hollins and the Thompsons and I like Tres at the 3, but I don't think we've gotten much play at the 4 and 5 beyond Eubanks. Rakocevic I keep having hopes for, but he just hasn't been able to get over the hump. Maybe he will with more playing time now the Eubanks is gone. But now we've got 3 bigs who were all recruited by other Pac 12 programs (I don't care about stars...I just like to see guys that other teams wanted to recruit). Hopefully they can get past their injuries, because we need them to contribute this year, but it looks like we've got three guys who can play. Agreed re: Malcolm being the last true point we've had. Even Payton wasn't a true point. I'm hoping Vernon can come through, but it's putting a lot of hope for a diamond in the rough...the basketball equivalent of James Rodgers or Jonathon Smith. I'm hoping Campbell might be one of those fun players to watch who are, essentially, a SG in a PG's body who can score, score, score but don't have the PG instincts...Allen Iverson being the prime example of such a player. We'll see. Either way, we need a better offensive game plan to move forward than what we've seen...5+ minute scoring droughts ain't gonna do it. Timkle ought to consult Rueck in that department. |
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Post by fridaynightlights on May 26, 2018 15:20:27 GMT -8
The coaches kids make this team somewhat competitive. After they are gone I don't have faith in this staff to recruit at a high enough level to make the program even occasionally NCAA tourney worthy. Once Tres and the Thompson brothers are gone I expect their dads to follow them out of Corvallis soon after.
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Post by shelby on May 27, 2018 5:29:52 GMT -8
Brief, succinct and ‘spot on’. This current situation is not a long term program strategy.
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