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Post by ochobeavo on Apr 24, 2018 13:53:58 GMT -8
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 24, 2018 15:37:17 GMT -8
Ali was a drama king, and not that good, as evidenced by a 17-23 record in open tournaments. Good wrestlers dominate those events.
His teammate's remarks are telling. Not a good guy.
Kevin Roberts was an excellent coach. OSU backed the wrong horse.
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Post by zeroposter on Apr 24, 2018 16:54:10 GMT -8
The second thing the article shows to me is that Barnes has zero interest in the wrestling program. Ouch.
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Post by osbrawler on Apr 25, 2018 7:24:07 GMT -8
Interesting timing on this piece. I put this one in the rearview mirror 8-9 months ago.
I research read what articles I can find on the team. This is the first time I remember seeing a piece
On wrestling in the Trib. There may have been others, just don’t recall wrestling getting
Very much ink.
Nonetheless appreciate the deep dive Eggers did. Wow, past wrestlers in Iowa, GF’s in
Cali. No winners, Coach lost or at least had a major road block put in his career. The
Wrestler still has issues. I have talked to Roberts a dozens times. I don’t think he
Should have been canned for this incident.
If I were a current coach at Oregon State, any sport, I’d be
walking on egg shells for fear of a player going to Admin and putting my job in jeopardy.
Moving forward, US Open/Western Regionals is this weekend in LV. Then next month a chance
For some other U23 guys to compete.
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Post by ochobeavo on Apr 25, 2018 8:23:40 GMT -8
Ali was a drama king, and not that good, as evidenced by a 17-23 record in open tournaments. Good wrestlers dominate those events. His teammate's remarks are telling. Not a good guy. Kevin Roberts was an excellent coach. OSU backed the wrong horse. Agreed. Was driven by CYA Risk Mitigation more than anything else. Wrestling is a completely humbling sport. If you still can't take a loss without throwing a punch at this point, well it's probably the wrong sport for the guy. He clearly is going to continue blaming everyone else for life's challenges. Between CV, Orange Crush and clinics, I know Roberts is still plenty active. Those in the loop have a ton of respect for him, so I imagine he'll be coaching again in the not-so-distant future. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 25, 2018 9:49:27 GMT -8
Outside of the wrestling and human impact, especially on Roberts, I never had a great impression of Barnes. Maybe it was the reported GAG "connection", maybe it was my perception of him being more of a distant CEO type, over a more cordial "family atmosphere" facilitator??? A couple informal meets/short chats at games have not swayed my initial impression. He came across a "false cordial" type, glad handing and ready to move on down the line.
Whatever other people think of Barnes, the circumstances and this article paint a very poor picture of Barnes, and even the department. I'm guessing if wanting to press Roberts could have gotten much more that the settlement, but maybe wanted to move on and take care of his family. The way the initial contract was handled/not handled/invalid contract was BS. And, the HC was/is really out of the loop completely in the entire process. I'm not sure if JZ is on notice and protecting his future, but that part also seems very weird as it was more than one instance and he is the HC in charge of the entire program!?
As of now those inside the department paint GAG's "leaving" contract $$ behind as Barnes only real impact as of now. And, those that know more than they should, that truly had zero to do with Barnes himself. Basically they say there has been a ton of admin meetings, rewriting policy to a specific format without "real" changes, and focusing on admin docs for facility planning, etc. A very sterile environment, almost too business like.
I agree with a posts above...
-reading the article you can't come to any other conclusion that this was/is a troubled kid. And, 'scarily" troubled...
-Barnes has no interest in Wrestling/finding the truth as to promote the program in a positive light.
-unless you are a BELOVED coach, or a Barnes hire (for a time anyway), I'd be very leery dealing with this AD.
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 25, 2018 14:29:14 GMT -8
It's a little disappointing that Head Coach Zalesky allowed one temperamental athlete to wreak this kind of havoc inside his program. Sounds like by the time he realized this was a serious issue his top assistant had already been sent packing by the AD. Zalesky and Roberts are supposed to be the adults and the leaders here. If Zalesky's program is not on the same page with his AD's expectations it would behoove Jim (in the interest of his own survival) to quickly either figure it out or go looking for another job. I know that sounds harsh and I'm not saying Alshujery wasn't mostly (or entirely) to blame but Zalesky needs to be a leader, not a helpless, clueless victim of an immature, disgruntled athlete. This post is offered in the spirit of constructive criticism. |
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Post by blastingsand on Apr 27, 2018 0:16:42 GMT -8
It is interesting the timing of this article, as I had also put it in the rearview window.
One thing I will say, based on my newsletters from Oregon St, and following up on social media, is that the University really has taken a very "liberal" turn to the extreme (thinking the path towards Berkeley like here). Not that there is anything wrong with it, I think side with that more than the other one. But I mention it because it may have to do with what side the Athletic Department took in this case.
Have spoken to Roberts several times in the past after the meets, he comes off as some very relaxed, energetic, cool. Maybe he got too careless with his words on this incident, but Ali might have also been very sensitive to the topic because of current world events. With all this said, it is disappointing that the University didn't do more to try to help someone who had been there for a while.
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