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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 18:54:58 GMT -8
Destiny had an impact as a freshman, one of her best games was against a stacked UConn team. The current ducks squad came in and had a massive first year with their current crop when they were freshmen. We all know you can't coach 6'7 or 6'9, if they come in with a can do attitude and desire to make an impact from the outset, the fact they are freshmen doesn't matter IMO. With the depth and experience we already have, CR and staff will adapt to another year without a WNBA draftee and take us deep into March, 'cause that is what they are good at. Looking forward to November
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Post by boydo on Apr 25, 2018 21:56:31 GMT -8
AA is way ahead of Jo in athletic ability and offensively. The clips I saw including driving to the basket with both hands, spinning into the key and making a fade away jumper and stepping back and hitting a 3 point jumper. She needs to get a feel for the game and play tougher defense but Jo is very limited in what she can do. Jo can only play in a zone defense, has difficulty catching a pass and can't get off a shot over anyone of decent size.
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Post by bennyskid on Apr 26, 2018 6:04:19 GMT -8
Yes ... but Jo knows the defense. And SR values interior D more than O. So Jo starts. PM and AA get exactly as much playing time as their D allows. And that's why I expect PM to play more than AA early on - PM is way ahead of AA defensively.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 6:30:14 GMT -8
Yes ... but Jo knows the defense. And SR values interior D more than O. So Jo starts. PM and AA get exactly as much playing time as their D allows. And that's why I expect PM to play more than AA early on - PM is way ahead of AA defensively. With Joanna in there, you are guaranteed ZERO points from her against good opposition. That's how bad her offensive skills are. We can't win big games with guaranteed ZERO points out of our post. We need an offensive post presence. Marie excelled when we beat ASU at ASU. When Marie didn't score well in the Pac-12 tournament, ASU beat us. You'd better count on AA and PM getting LOTS of PT or we're a middling Pac-12 team next year. And PM and AA are capable of learning the defense quickly. They're not stupid. And even PM's offensive skills, which are the lesser between AA and PM, such as being able to catch a pass and hit a shot 3 feet from the bucket, are, without ANY offensive tutoring at all, vastly better than Jo's. Yes, Joanna might start the first few games, but she will be quickly replaced in the starting lineup by PM or AA unless she improves dramatically over the summer. And I mean dramatically. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Apr 26, 2018 8:54:34 GMT -8
With Joanna in there, you are guaranteed ZERO points from her against good opposition. That's how bad her offensive skills are. We can't win big games with guaranteed ZERO points out of our post. We need an offensive post presence. Marie excelled when we beat ASU at ASU. When Marie didn't score well in the Pac-12 tournament, ASU beat us. You'd better count on AA and PM getting LOTS of PT or we're a middling Pac-12 team next year. And PM and AA are capable of learning the defense quickly. They're not stupid. And even PM's offensive skills, which are the lesser between AA and PM, such as being able to catch a pass and hit a shot 3 feet from the bucket, are, without ANY offensive tutoring at all, vastly better than Jo's. Yes, Joanna might start the first few games, but she will be quickly replaced in the starting lineup by PM or AA unless she improves dramatically over the summer. And I mean dramatically. Thickhead is often passionate about his opinions on this board, but often unrealistic and simply inaccurate as well with his offerings. Grymek will score if she is made a bigger part of the offense and offensive plays isolate her down on the block. The "guaranteed ZERO" references above command attention from readers, but are disrespectful to the efforts that players are making to become better players. The "guaranteed ZERO" claims are simply exaggerated assertions that are certain to be wrong. I would instead suggest appreciating Grymek for what she can bring to the table for the '18-'19 squad, including blocking shots, influencing shots, and finishing inside when the situation is right for the Beavs. Some fans/followers are quick to criticize other players when they have hope that the soon-to-arrive incoming talent will be the quick answer to improving an area or areas they perceive to be team weaknesses. The squad next year will have growing pains with three developing players who are each blessed with uncommon height for collegiate basketball players. However, the upcoming journey of watching all three 6'7" and up players become better players is something that I am eager to see develop. I have never heard of a women's collegiate basketball program have three players 6'7" and above on its roster in the same season. It will be a work in process, but should continue to provide those watching with an appreciation of how the OSU women's coaching staff is able to develop the bigs in its program. As for the loss to ASU in the quarterfinal round of the 2018 PAC-12 tournament, a lot collectively went wrong for the Beavs down the stretch of the fourth quarter of that game after OSU had seemingly taken control with a six-point lead with less than four minutes to play. The result simply wasn't due to Gulich being held down scoring-wise in that game. A number of other players besides the consistently-reliable Gulich struggled in that game, especially late in the fourth quarter. It was an unusual fourth quarter collapse for a team that otherwise proved to be very good throughout the season in closing games that were close. |
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Post by lefty on Apr 26, 2018 9:48:01 GMT -8
Jo is a liability on offense and not much better on defense. She is 6'8" and that is her main and maybe only asset. Has no outside shot and I have yet to see any type of post moves. She will not be double teamed (like Marie was) so the pass out to our 3 point shooters will be minimumized. I said last year that we would go as far as Marie takes us and she took us a farther than even I hoped for. Unless AA or PM can hit the floor running we are at best a .500 team. If we have to play Jo more than 5-6 minutes a game we are in "deep do-do"
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Post by beaver94 on Apr 26, 2018 10:09:38 GMT -8
Jo is a liability on offense and not much better on defense. She is 6'8" and that is her main and maybe only asset. Has no outside shot and I have yet to see any type of post moves. She will not be double teamed (like Marie was) so the pass out to our 3 point shooters will be minimumized. I said last year that we would go as far as Marie takes us and she took us a farther than even I hoped for. Unless AA or PM can hit the floor running we are at best a .500 team. If we have to play Jo more than 5-6 minutes a game we are in "deep do-do" Getting a double team in the post is not the only way to get open shots for players. Ball movement with crisp passes and penetration can also create open shots. I'm confident that with the players on next years team that the coaches will come up with plenty of ways to score. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 26, 2018 10:10:59 GMT -8
Jo is a liability on offense and not much better on defense. She is 6'8" and that is her main and maybe only asset. Has no outside shot and I have yet to see any type of post moves. She will not be double teamed (like Marie was) so the pass out to our 3 point shooters will be minimumized. I said last year that we would go as far as Marie takes us and she took us a farther than even I hoped for. Unless AA or PM can hit the floor running we are at best a .500 team. If we have to play Jo more than 5-6 minutes a game we are in "deep do-do" I think that most of the people on this thread are underestimating SR's ability to adjust his offense. While this last year, the offense ran inside-out through Marie, that is unlikely what SR will run next year. If you look at 2016-2017, the offense ran through Syd driving and dishing and Marie was not as big of a factor. Only as Marie developed and with the lack of a true PG did the offense change and become more post-oriented this year. I expect that with Destiny in the mix, you will see the offense revert to a similar style that was played in 2016-2017 (more guard oriented), where Destiny drives and dishes to shooters and there is less dumping of the ball into the post. Scott is certainly not going to base his offense on 2 unproven Freshman centers. I think you will see a center by committee approach where they will be relied on more for defense & rebounding and less on the offensive side.
With the returners that we have, there is no way that this team should be "at best a .500 team", whether or not we get strong post play on the offensive end.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 10:42:37 GMT -8
As for the loss to ASU in the quarterfinal round of the 2018 PAC-12 tournament, a lot collectively went wrong for the Beavs down the stretch of the fourth quarter of that game after OSU had seemingly taken control with a six-point lead with less than four minutes to play. The result simply wasn't due to Gulich being held down scoring-wise in that game. A number of other players besides the consistently-reliable Gulich struggled in that game, especially late in the fourth quarter. It was an unusual fourth quarter collapse for a team that otherwise proved to be very good throughout the season in closing games that were close. Compared to the win at ASU, it WAS "due to Gulich being held down". Because the only reason we won the game at ASU was because of Marie's exceptional performance. The rest of the team shot 11 of 26 field goals and 3 of 11 from 3-pt range. So at ASU, "a number of other players ... struggled", too. Gulich WAS the difference. And as far as Grymek getting ZERO points vs good competition? In the last 5 games from ASU through UL, she played 33 minutes and got how many points? ZERO. Yes, I think I can guarantee 0 pts vs good competition (unless she improves dramatically). |
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Post by beaveragain on Apr 26, 2018 20:58:53 GMT -8
In 24 minutes of play during the tournament Jo got 9 rebounds. Basically the same as Marie did per minute played against the toughest competition OSU played all season.
On scoring Jo got passed the ball in the wrong place almost every time (which was the perfect place for Marie) and so looked awkward and took too long to shoot. How Jo will do when the team learns how and where to pass her the ball, and opposing teams start studying how to stop OSU's starting center is a complete unknown until the next season. Jo shoot one hook shot that I saw that was juiced with too much adrenaline, but if she gets that to go down......
I expect Jo to rebound in double figures, occasionally score in double figures, and based on SR's assessment, do just fine on defense.
So if you expect her to replace all of the stats of our last all-american then you will be terribly disappointed.
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