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Post by beavershoopsfan on Apr 17, 2018 14:22:17 GMT -8
411500,
Where is our disagreement? My above post notes that significant talent remains in Eugene and that the Ducks will likely be the PAC-12 preseason favorites. An early preseason poll has the Ducks at #2 in the country for '18-'19.
I think that we both realize that with the returning nucleus and the additions of Boley and Sabally's sister to the mix, the Ducks will likely be a stronger team next season talent-wise than they were in '17-'18 despite the recent (and still forthcoming) attrition.
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Post by willtalk on Apr 17, 2018 15:27:23 GMT -8
They are really going to miss Ayuso when Cazorla graduates. They need a true point like Cazorla/Ayuso to keep Sabrina from totally dominating the ball. The freshman they have coming in is a clone of Ionescu and can not serve that purpose. Ayusa is considered by some to have a higher upside than Cazorla. Her loss is big in respect to their future but will not really be felt until Cazorla graduates. Cazorla's importance to the team is not appreciated my everyone and Ayuso was going to assume that role after next year. I don't think they can replace her. Thanks for the info on Cazorla and Ayuso....Some interesting points.... "The freshman they have coming in is a clone of Ionescu...." Not sure what you were getting at, but I'm afraid you missed the mark on that one. There are no Ionesco clones out there this year - anywhere. Like her or leave her she is a once in a decade offensive talent. Oregon has no one coming in who is remotely close to being an Ionesco clone.... I totally agree about your take on Sabrina. I did not mean that the gal from Arizona was a copy, only that her nature and disposition was similar. An Alpha dog take charge person so to speak a personality clone to be specific. Which sort of implied to me that Ayuso would have been more complementary to Sabrina than the new gal will be. Also when Sabrina graduated that would have left the new gal with Ayuso which also would have been a really good backcourt. With me it is about which players would have compliment each other better in both skill set and personality. I am from Nor Cal so I know Ionescu's game very well. I sort of figured she would be a star the first time I saw her as a freshman. She is a very unique individual and not everyone likes her. People have a hard time figuring her out. I personally have run the gamut of liking her game , to disliking it, then back to liking it. With her soph. season being the one for philosophic reasons that I was no fan of. Nothing was really personal. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 17, 2018 15:32:25 GMT -8
No program can continue to lose 3, 4 or 5 players to transfer, no matter the reason. Graves lost 2/3 of his most recent recruiting class, so of course he's spinning it as "playing time."
At some point, recruits and their parents wonder why so many people are leaving. Five, six or seven players transferring within a three-year span is not normal attrition. And at some point, players get injured and backups must play. If your veteran bench players have departed, you're in trouble.
Sabally was a fairly one-dimensional player whose effectiveness was increased because teams had to also account for Bando, another excellent shooter. That won't be the case next year.
Oregon will be good. As good as this year? We shall see. It sure looks as if there is some bad mojo in that program.
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Post by newduke2 on Apr 17, 2018 16:55:22 GMT -8
No program can continue to lose 3, 4 or 5 players to transfer, no matter the reason. Graves lost 2/3 of his most recent recruiting class, so of course he's spinning it as "playing time." At some point, recruits and their parents wonder why so many people are leaving. Five, six or seven players transferring within a three-year span is not normal attrition. And at some point, players get injured and backups must play. If your veteran bench players have departed, you're in trouble. Sabally was a fairly one-dimensional player whose effectiveness was increased because teams had to also account for Bando, another excellent shooter. That won't be the case next year. Oregon will be good. As good as this year? We shall see. It sure looks as if there is some bad mojo in that program. I completely agree with your take. Their are hints, suggestions, and undertones of player-coaching staff discord at Oregon that goes beyond just a lack of playing time. Might just be temporary, who knows. |
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Post by green85 on Apr 18, 2018 10:05:16 GMT -8
No program can continue to lose 3, 4 or 5 players to transfer, no matter the reason. Graves lost 2/3 of his most recent recruiting class, so of course he's spinning it as "playing time." At some point, recruits and their parents wonder why so many people are leaving. Five, six or seven players transferring within a three-year span is not normal attrition. And at some point, players get injured and backups must play. If your veteran bench players have departed, you're in trouble. Sabally was a fairly one-dimensional player whose effectiveness was increased because teams had to also account for Bando, another excellent shooter. That won't be the case next year. Oregon will be good. As good as this year? We shall see. It sure looks as if there is some bad mojo in that program. From things I have read, Erin Boley (transfer from Notre Dame) is every bit as good a 3-point shooter as Bando was. I don't think things will change much regarding Sabally's open looks for the reason of not having another shooter on the floor. In addition, it seemed to me that Sabally was more inclined to drive to the hoop as the season went along rather than simply shoot a 3. She would fake a defender running at her, and then take the ball towards the bucket. Sometimes she stop and pop a 10 foot 2 pointer, other times she tried to get the layup. She was not great on her drives, but it was obvious she was adding that to her game. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Apr 18, 2018 10:44:04 GMT -8
From things I have read, Erin Boley (transfer from Notre Dame) is every bit as good a 3-point shooter as Bando was. I don't think things will change much regarding Sabally's open looks for the reason of not having another shooter on the floor. In addition, it seemed to me that Sabally was more inclined to drive to the hoop as the season went along rather than simply shoot a 3. She would fake a defender running at her, and then take the ball towards the bucket. Sometimes she stop and pop a 10 foot 2 pointer, other times she tried to get the layup. She was not great on her drives, but it was obvious she was adding that to her game. Boley is a quality 3-point shooter, especially for a 6'2" player. Boley shot 39.5% from beyond the arc as a freshman at Notre Dame and competed in the national three-point shooting contest her senior year of high school as one of the top three-point shooters at that level. However, Bando shot a PAC-12 record 45.7% from beyond the arc throughout her four years at Oregon. Boley will likely not approach those accuracy numbers, but will give defending teams something to think about as they have to stretch the court to cover Oregon's top offensive threats. Sabally shot a respectable 37.0% from beyond the arc, including a 7/9 game against UCLA during the regular season. Sabally seemed on television to be weary or still dinged up a bit during the NCAA tournament after sustaining an injury in the PAC-12 tournament semifinal game. I have a feeling that she will be markedly improved next season and a continual match-up nightmare for opposing teams during her final three seasons in Eugene. |
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Post by gnawitall on Apr 18, 2018 11:27:12 GMT -8
From things I have read, Erin Boley (transfer from Notre Dame) is every bit as good a 3-point shooter as Bando was. I don't think things will change much regarding Sabally's open looks for the reason of not having another shooter on the floor. In addition, it seemed to me that Sabally was more inclined to drive to the hoop as the season went along rather than simply shoot a 3. She would fake a defender running at her, and then take the ball towards the bucket. Sometimes she stop and pop a 10 foot 2 pointer, other times she tried to get the layup. She was not great on her drives, but it was obvious she was adding that to her game. Boley is a quality 3-point shooter, especially for a 6'2" player. Boley shot 39.5% from beyond the arc as a freshman at Notre Dame and competed in the national three-point shooting contest her senior year of high school as one of the top three-point shooters at that level. However, Bando shot a PAC-12 record 45.7% from beyond the arc throughout her four years at Oregon. Boley will likely not approach those accuracy numbers, but will give defending teams something to think about as they have to stretch the court to cover Oregon's top offensive threats. Sabally shot a respectable 37.0% from beyond the arc, including a 7/9 game against UCLA during the regular season. Sabally seemed on television to be weary or still dinged up a bit during the NCAA tournament after sustaining an injury in the PAC-12 tournament semifinal game. I have a feeling that she will be markedly improved next season and a continual match-up nightmare for opposing teams during her final three seasons in Eugene. I hope she doesn't get to play three more seasons 🙂 |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Apr 18, 2018 12:08:06 GMT -8
Boley is a quality 3-point shooter, especially for a 6'2" player. Boley shot 39.5% from beyond the arc as a freshman at Notre Dame and competed in the national three-point shooting contest her senior year of high school as one of the top three-point shooters at that level. However, Bando shot a PAC-12 record 45.7% from beyond the arc throughout her four years at Oregon. Boley will likely not approach those accuracy numbers, but will give defending teams something to think about as they have to stretch the court to cover Oregon's top offensive threats. Sabally shot a respectable 37.0% from beyond the arc, including a 7/9 game against UCLA during the regular season. Sabally seemed on television to be weary or still dinged up a bit during the NCAA tournament after sustaining an injury in the PAC-12 tournament semifinal game. I have a feeling that she will be markedly improved next season and a continual match-up nightmare for opposing teams during her final three seasons in Eugene. I hope she doesn't get to play three more seasons 🙂 Gnawitall, Are you suggesting Satou Sabally may be like Ayuso and decide to play professionally in Europe (perhaps Germany?) prior to the end of her Oregon eligibility? I speculate that with incoming sister/frosh Nyara Sabally coming to Eugene this June, opposing PAC-12 teams will be seeing two Saballys on the court with some frequency during the next three years. The video highlights of Nyara Sabally accessible below show an athlete who has the potential to play immediately even within a tight rotation in Eugene. She appears to be more rugged than her athletic sister, Satou. |
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Post by gnawitall on Apr 18, 2018 16:08:25 GMT -8
I hope she doesn't get to play three more seasons 🙂 Gnawitall, Are you suggesting Satou Sabally may be like Ayuso and decide to play professionally in Europe (perhaps Germany?) prior to the end of her Oregon eligibility? I speculate that with incoming sister/frosh Nyara Sabally coming to Eugene this June, opposing PAC-12 teams will be seeing two Saballys on the court with some frequency during the next three years. The video highlights of Nyara Sabally accessible below show an athlete who has the potential to play immediately even within a tight rotation in Eugene. She appears to be more rugged than her athletic sister, Satou. haaaaaa...oops....I got my Sabally confused with my Sabrina. |
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