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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 4, 2018 15:11:57 GMT -8
www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/04/oregon-state-football-spring-practice-preview-the-jonathan-smith-restart-begins-with-qb-clarity-the-priority/Wilner's been around the block. Most of this is pretty surface level, and I think fair. I will draw attention to one thing he wrote: "They can offer quarterback prospects a wealth of coaching experience with Smith, Riley and offensive coordinator Brian Lindgren. And all it takes is one … one high-level, multi-year starter … to change the trajectory of a program." This... this right here... is exactly it. We have guys on staff that can actually find and evaluate QB talent, and have proven to do it and develop it. All it will take is that one, and we are back in the hunt. I believe all the other pieces will fall into place, but that hard one, that really ellusive one, is getting that top flight QB. I think we have the staff to get one, be it develop our guys here, for find the next diamond out there.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Apr 4, 2018 16:03:39 GMT -8
While I mostly agree atown, I also recall Mannion's final year........A top flight offensive line would probably make most of the qb's on the roster now look good.
Go Beavs!!
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Post by Beavcat on Apr 5, 2018 12:08:17 GMT -8
I agree with bucktooth; a QB is just piece of the puzzle, probably the most important piece, but still just a piece. Great QB's don't necessarily translate in to great teams. We have had some very good QB's in the last 20 years, but the most successful team was lead by some hack walk-on that looked more like the trainer. (What WAS his name?) I don't know that too many of us would consider JS the best QB we've had in the last 20 years.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 5, 2018 12:22:03 GMT -8
I agree with bucktooth; a QB is just piece of the puzzle, probably the most important piece, but still just a piece. Great QB's don't necessarily translate in to great teams. We have had some very good QB's in the last 20 years, but the most successful team was lead by some hack walk-on that looked more like the trainer. (What WAS his name?) I don't know that too many of us would consider JS the best QB we've had in the last 20 years. This is a good point. Jonathan Smith was a good fit for Dennis Erickson's vertical offense. But Smith probably would have been fourth-string on the 2012 team. I don't think that Smith was a top 5 Oregon State quarterback in the past 20 years, and he might not be top 10, if you consider players that transferred out to other schools.
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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 5, 2018 12:38:02 GMT -8
I agree with bucktooth; a QB is just piece of the puzzle, probably the most important piece, but still just a piece. Great QB's don't necessarily translate in to great teams. We have had some very good QB's in the last 20 years, but the most successful team was lead by some hack walk-on that looked more like the trainer. (What WAS his name?) I don't know that too many of us would consider JS the best QB we've had in the last 20 years. This is a good point. Jonathan Smith was a good fit for Dennis Erickson's vertical offense. But Smith probably would have been fourth-string on the 2012 team. I don't think that Smith was a top 5 Oregon State quarterback in the past 20 years, and he might not be top 10, if you consider players that transferred out to other schools. And Riley's pro offense at the time, which was play action, deep passing based... it didn't feature nearly the same level of precision timed route passing back in 1997-1998. Kid was hardly a 50% passer. but his yards per catch? (not per attempt...) in 1998 Smith average over 17 yards a completion. It is all about fit and the scheme you build around them. 170/338 50.3% for 2773 yards, 20 TDs and 7 INTs won us a Fiesta Bowl in dominate fashion... Today in Pac-12 that is pretty middle of the road, and not the stats you expect from a conference and tier one bowl winner.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 5, 2018 12:55:02 GMT -8
In defense of Smith, he did not inflate his completion percentage with shovel passes, check downs/dump offs to the RBs, as many QBs do today. Under Riley in 1998, and under Dennis, he threw the ball down the field. He had 199 completions in 2002; only 28 went to RBs.
Higher risk, but higher reward, as shown by a 17-yard per completion average. Rosen completed 62% of his passes last year, but only 13 yards per catch.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 13:54:34 GMT -8
www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/04/oregon-state-football-spring-practice-preview-the-jonathan-smith-restart-begins-with-qb-clarity-the-priority/Wilner's been around the block. Most of this is pretty surface level, and I think fair. I will draw attention to one thing he wrote: "They can offer quarterback prospects a wealth of coaching experience with Smith, Riley and offensive coordinator Brian Lindgren. And all it takes is one … one high-level, multi-year starter … to change the trajectory of a program." This... this right here... is exactly it. We have guys on staff that can actually find and evaluate QB talent, and have proven to do it and develop it. All it will take is that one, and we are back in the hunt. I believe all the other pieces will fall into place, but that hard one, that really ellusive one, is getting that top flight QB. I think we have the staff to get one, be it develop our guys here, for find the next diamond out there. OSUFAN IN YEAR 1 of GA: welp what about the quarterback? GA: we want a qb that can beat you with his feet, his mind and his arm. OSUFAN: that is so awesome.
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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 5, 2018 13:58:54 GMT -8
www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/04/oregon-state-football-spring-practice-preview-the-jonathan-smith-restart-begins-with-qb-clarity-the-priority/Wilner's been around the block. Most of this is pretty surface level, and I think fair. I will draw attention to one thing he wrote: "They can offer quarterback prospects a wealth of coaching experience with Smith, Riley and offensive coordinator Brian Lindgren. And all it takes is one … one high-level, multi-year starter … to change the trajectory of a program." This... this right here... is exactly it. We have guys on staff that can actually find and evaluate QB talent, and have proven to do it and develop it. All it will take is that one, and we are back in the hunt. I believe all the other pieces will fall into place, but that hard one, that really ellusive one, is getting that top flight QB. I think we have the staff to get one, be it develop our guys here, for find the next diamond out there. OSUFAN IN YEAR 1 of GA: welp what about the quarterback? GA: we want a qb that can beat you with his feet, his mind and his arm. OSUFAN: that is so awesome. GA year 1: Whelp, we got the feet, and half and arm... and the mind needs work. We better bench him. GA year 2: Whelp we cycled through a half dozen people, and tried out the waterboy, finally we found a guy with the Arm and the Feet and the Mind.... we better bench him. GA year 3: found a guy with an arm, no feet and no experience... and... aw f%#* it, I quit.
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Post by woodrow7525 on Apr 7, 2018 7:30:08 GMT -8
I agree with bucktooth; a QB is just piece of the puzzle, probably the most important piece, but still just a piece. Great QB's don't necessarily translate in to great teams. We have had some very good QB's in the last 20 years, but the most successful team was lead by some hack walk-on that looked more like the trainer. (What WAS his name?) I don't know that too many of us would consider JS the best QB we've had in the last 20 years. While I agree that we must build a line in order to be a legitimate team, think of how bad the team would have been in 2014 without Mannion? What if Garretson had been our QB that year? The thing is, if we’d had a line that year, we actually could have been a legit North contender. Our defense had some dudes and was littered with Seniors. Gotta have all the components but having a good QB can add 3-4 to your win total.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Apr 7, 2018 9:08:37 GMT -8
I love when others have low expectations, let them sleep on the Beavs. There's talent here, it just needs to be coached up, OSU is gonna punk some teams this year.
Probably not Ohio State though, have we not pulled out of that disaster yet?
Edit...screw it, maybe Jonathan Smith goes all Sully and makes a miracle landing in the horseshoe
Go Beavs
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 7, 2018 19:22:10 GMT -8
I agree with bucktooth; a QB is just piece of the puzzle, probably the most important piece, but still just a piece. Great QB's don't necessarily translate in to great teams. We have had some very good QB's in the last 20 years, but the most successful team was lead by some hack walk-on that looked more like the trainer. (What WAS his name?) I don't know that too many of us would consider JS the best QB we've had in the last 20 years. "I don't know that too many of us would consider JS the best QB we've had in the last 20 years" I would. In a critical game I'd take 2000 JS over 2006 Matt Moore, 2004 Derek Anderson or 2014 Sean Mannion.
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 7, 2018 20:02:11 GMT -8
I agree with bucktooth; a QB is just piece of the puzzle, probably the most important piece, but still just a piece. Great QB's don't necessarily translate in to great teams. We have had some very good QB's in the last 20 years, but the most successful team was lead by some hack walk-on that looked more like the trainer. (What WAS his name?) I don't know that too many of us would consider JS the best QB we've had in the last 20 years. "I don't know that too many of us would consider JS the best QB we've had in the last 20 years" I would. In a critical game I'd take 2000 JS over 2006 Matt Moore, 2004 Derek Anderson or 2014 Sean Mannion. No... just no. JS was all good because of the team around him. Not even close to as good of QB. Guess guys who draft thought the same. 😉
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 7, 2018 20:24:16 GMT -8
"I don't know that too many of us would consider JS the best QB we've had in the last 20 years" I would. In a critical game I'd take 2000 JS over 2006 Matt Moore, 2004 Derek Anderson or 2014 Sean Mannion. No... just no. JS was all good because of the team around him. Not even close to as good of QB. Guess guys who draft thought the same. 😉 I couldn't care less about their pro careers.
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 7, 2018 20:31:50 GMT -8
No... just no. JS was all good because of the team around him. Not even close to as good of QB. Guess guys who draft thought the same. 😉 I couldn't care less about their pro careers. Did I? The others were elite college QBs... the draftable kind.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 7, 2018 20:47:05 GMT -8
I agree with bucktooth; a QB is just piece of the puzzle, probably the most important piece, but still just a piece. Great QB's don't necessarily translate in to great teams. We have had some very good QB's in the last 20 years, but the most successful team was lead by some hack walk-on that looked more like the trainer. (What WAS his name?) I don't know that too many of us would consider JS the best QB we've had in the last 20 years. "I don't know that too many of us would consider JS the best QB we've had in the last 20 years" I would. In a critical game I'd take 2000 JS over 2006 Matt Moore, 2004 Derek Anderson or 2014 Sean Mannion. Oregon State 33 - #3 USC 31 Oregon State 30 - Oregon 28 Oregon State 35 - #24 Hawai'i 32 Oregon State 39 - Missouri 38 Moore took down #3 USC without Bernard. Watch the last 10 minutes of the 2006 Sun Bowl with a not quite 100% Sammie Stroughter. Has any Oregon State quarterback ever been as clutch? Smith was decent, but watch the UCLA game. If not for a Martin Maurer false start, he would have given away the game. Antonio Battle bailed out everyone in that game. Watch 2001 Smith against USC or Oregon. In 2000, Oregon State had a phenomenal line, two of the best receivers in program history, and one the best stable of running backs the program has ever cobbled together. 2012 Arizona and 2013 Utah were phenomenal wins. Did Smitty put together two better clutch performances?
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