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Post by newduke2 on Mar 21, 2018 18:36:39 GMT -8
ASGR (All Star Girls Report) Basketball ranks OSU as the No. 12 overall recruiting class for 2018. (ASGR consists of a team of 3 analysts who evaluate female prospects). They are unique in that their ranking includes transfers (like DS to OSU), but does not appear to include international players (like JS to OSU). I put this here because it was a new find, at least for me.
Top 125:
asgrbasketball.com/top-125-recruiting-class-rankings-2018/
They rank OSU no. 1 in the Pac 12:
asgrbasketball.com/pac-12-recruiting-class-rankings/
Win or lose on Friday, this provides more good hope for next season!
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Post by texasbeaver on Mar 21, 2018 18:55:28 GMT -8
Good find.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Mar 21, 2018 19:05:07 GMT -8
Not sure about their accuracy, they are listing Bre Brown from OSU for GT. |
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Post by newduke2 on Mar 21, 2018 19:09:20 GMT -8
Not sure about their accuracy, they are listing Bre Brown from OSU for GT. What is wrong with it? They include new transfers in their rankings, as I mentioned. I get your point, it is confusing...seems Bre would have been listed for 2017 not 2018...but then maybe the transfer comes to late to backfill into the 2017 rankings, so transfers like Bre and DS get bumped forward into the 2018 class, even though they are already at the school. Also, they don't appear to distinguish between a transfer who has to sit out 1 year like DS and one who can play immediately like Bre. This would mean the Bre listing is not in error. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Mar 21, 2018 20:44:49 GMT -8
It is easy to understand Destiny and Erin Boley being listed since 2018-19 will be the first season they will be eligible. However Bre transferred and played immediately, as is allowed for a graduate transfer, and won't play a second next season. Therefore it is inaccurate, incorrect, and just plain wrong.
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Post by newduke2 on Mar 21, 2018 20:53:56 GMT -8
It is easy to understand Destiny and Erin Boley being listed since 2018-19 will be the first season they will be eligible. However Bre transferred and played immediately, as is allowed for a graduate transfer, and won't play a second next season. Therefore it is inaccurate, incorrect, and just plain wrong. You make a good point. They probably should just completely leave out the transfers who play immediately and only have 1 year of eligibility, as they joined the team too late to backtrack and revise the 2017 ranking and play too soon to be included in the 2018 ranking. I guess they decided to include them anyway, no matter how misleading or nonsensical. It only but barely makes some sense to include a player who has 2-3 years of eligibility left and played immediately...as does happen when there are hardship or JUCO transfers at the end of their freshman or sophomore year. But again, any transfer player who is allowed to play immediately, can't be listed and accounted for by revising the previous year ranking and doesn't naturally fit into the new ranking since they have already actively played. |
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Post by willtalk on Mar 22, 2018 11:26:40 GMT -8
They left out Oregon St and Oregon's in coming international players but yet included them for some other teams. Very inconsistent. One will also find that different rating services lists vary considerably. Some services run evaluation camps and if you attend their camp they will rate you higher.
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Post by newduke2 on Mar 22, 2018 13:17:47 GMT -8
They left out Oregon St and Oregon's in coming international players but yet included them for some other teams. Very inconsistent. One will also find that different rating services lists vary considerably. Some services run evaluation camps and if you attend their camp they will rate you higher. Other rankings of WBB recruiting are inconsistent as well. This includes ESPN Hoopgurlz and ProspectsNation. Both services miss injured players who have to sit out their senior seasons but are excellent players who still sign as commits. As just one example, Michigan State has 3 female BB commits for 2018, but one the best high school players in the state of Michigan (Kayla Belles, out for the year with an injury) is not in their databases. As a result MSU, is not credited by either ESPN and ProspectsNation as having signed her. They both only list the 2 other young women. Hard to rank teams/schools accurately for the prowess of their recruiting classes when even well known USA players are entirely left out of the equation. It's an imperfect world!
P.S. Makes me wonders if an important signee was left off of UCONN's (or Notre Dame's, or Tennessee's) recruit list would there be any noise?? I can imagine there would be an uproar. Me thinks such mistakes just don't happen to the highest profile teams/schools...and/or if they do, they are quickly corrected.
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Post by bennyskid on Mar 22, 2018 13:52:41 GMT -8
There can't be more than three people in the country actually making a living covering this stuff. As far as I can tell, HoopGurlz is one guy who goes to some AAU tourneys, follows a lot of twitter feeds, and has a pretty good rolodex. (Rolodexes are still a thing, right?) No site has the resources to keep an accurate database going. That's just the state of the game today.
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Post by newduke2 on Mar 22, 2018 14:30:19 GMT -8
There can't be more than three people in the country actually making a living covering this stuff. As far as I can tell, HoopGurlz is one guy who goes to some AAU tourneys, follows a lot of twitter feeds, and has a pretty good rolodex. (Rolodexes are still a thing, right?) No site has the resources to keep an accurate database going. That's just the state of the game today. Yeah, the guy responsible for HoopGulz must spend like 10 minutes a week on his "research". He is anything but thorough. In my example of Michigan State above, is it really hard to find out that they actually have 3 signee-recruits for 2018, not just 2? But, I guess due diligence is not his forte. I found this article about MSU signees in 9 seconds just using google:
www.msuspartans.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/110817aab.html
At the Division 1 level, there 335 universities/colleges that have basketball teams for women. So, let's see, 9 seconds X 335 schools = 3015 seconds or 50.25 minutes. So, in less than an hour he could check on the final recruiting classes of all 335 division 1 schools and with a little more effort, update his HoopGurlz database. (yeah, I know it would realistically take longer, maybe several hours or as much a working day or 2 to find, read, cross-check, record, and edit/update lists of recruit for 335 schools, but it's doable and he doesn't appear to even bother)
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