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Post by green85 on Mar 5, 2018 19:54:11 GMT -8
I do not deny that Phil Knight has donated generously to Oregon athletics to a point that all athletic programs have been lifted. What I argue to those that point to that as THE FACTOR in success at Oregon in any sport, is that ignores all the other factors that play into results on the field. I am sorry, but the fact that Paul Westhead could not recruit better players to Oregon before, during and after the construction of Matt Knight arena tells you something about how much facilities CANNOT do to get good players. Oregon had ALL of the advantages in facilities while Westhead was coach but none of the success. Even Coach Graves had an uphill climb in his first two seasons to produce a winner or recruit top notch players. Graves was fortunate that local Lexi Bando decided Oregon was a good place to be. As for the Nike connection ... I can be completely honest when I say the folks at Nike would much prefer to have qualified employees that contribute to their bottom line than to care for one minute what school is listed on the diploma. Oregon has a degree program in Sports Marketing that was started in the mid-90's. THAT program feeds more qualified candidates to businesses like Nike than ANY of the athletic programs. And before you say "Yeah, but the athletes get a great shot at endorsement contracts from Nike" ... again Nike marketing cares about the "reach" and "impact" that their professional athletes have to contribute to the success of the marketing effort much more than they care about the alma mater on their jersey. Sorry. It may be convenient to say that recruits sign with Oregon because of Nike, because it seems obvious. But that naive assessment of a global enterprise and how they do business is really short on logic in the real world. I would be interested to see evidence to support your claim of "... a very LARGE PIPELINE into the business world of athletics that runs through uofo ..." - without reference to graduates of the Sport Marketing Degree program. Note: A couple of facts ... the Cas Center was not financed by Uncle Phil. Some of the improvements have come with his help. The baseball complex is from the work and money of Pat Kilkenny. Kilkenny put together a group of donors for this project. I would assume that Knight gave some money, but he is not listed in any specific reference to building the baseball field (his is listed in everything else he has financed). Jane Sanders Stadium (softball field) was financed by the Sanders family as a tribute to the late Jane Sanders. Again, I can assume that Knight contributed, but nothing I have read lists him as a donor to the project. The Jaqua Center for athlete educational support is available to all athletes, and certainly is not a competitive advantage based upon the existence of the same type of facilities at every Pac12 school (including OSU). Way to to disect and pick some points and brush over others. I mentioned that if any organization gets an infusion of cash in one area, they can divert funds that would be spent in that area and spend those funds in another.(Thus effectively spending more on both) The fact that PK did not spend one dime (if true) on the Cas does not mean there wasn't more capital available for that project because PK spent money elsewhere. Thank you for reminding me of the name of the Jaqua Center. If you think that is "average" as the same type of all PAC-12 facilities...man you need to get out more. And yes, it can be used for by ALL athletes. So if that facility is "nicer" or "more opulant" than other school's athletic dept. academic centers, then it by nature becomes a recruiting ADVANTAGE for say...the women's hoops program. You can deny the NIKE/uofo connection and say it is because of the sports marketing dept. Could the sports marketing dept be there because of NIKE?(especially since the program, as you stated, started in.....drum roll please....the mid 90's) Look, do I wish OSU had the advantages of a PK...hell yes I do. For someone like you 85 to try to downplay ALL of the advantages...both tangible and intangible...that PK and the company he grew are to uo is really weak. It lends itself to the saying..."He was born on third base and thought he hit a triple". I actually addressed "infusion of cash in one area" by pointing out the directed use of donations. I also addressed the major donations made by other U of O supporters (Pat Kilkenny in baseball, Sanders family for softball). I addressed the link of Oregon to Nike in regarding how Nike does business ... as opposed to assuming that because Phil Knight is the founder that he (or more to the point his board) would act against the interests of the stock holders in relation to marketing and selling both their products and their brand. Specifically, I would challenge you or anyone else to find a decision by Nike to provide employment opportunities to unqualified Oregon graduates as the best option versus other qualified candidates from other schools for a particular position. And you certainly haven't provided any proof of a "LARGE PIPELINE" of ATHLETES from Oregon being employed at Nike in place of any other candidate from any other school. The reason I listed the Sports Marketing Degree Program was to point out what Oregon did with their school of business to actually fill a need that few D1 schools were providing as a directed major. Most Sports Marketing people came to their jobs with business degrees, or psychology degrees, or public admin degrees prior to the establishment of the sports marketing programs around the U.S. Oregon was not the first school to develop such curriculum. That said, there have been a number of these types of degree programs developed since Oregon started theirs. And that is my point about the source of candidates for employment at places like Nike ... while any number of athletes may currently be employed at Nike, their presence has nothing to do with which school they attended and more to do with what they can bring to the profitability and success of Nike - which of course is what Phil Knight wants for his company. Which brings me to the final point of Nike, Phil Knight and Oregon. Phil Knight donates HIS MONEY to Oregon. Nike has larger Marketing contracts with several other schools, including University of Washington, than they do with Oregon. As has been pointed out on Beaver sports forums multiple times, Oregon ACCEPTS the "the changing uniforms" from Nike - other schools choose not to. If you think the changing uniforms helps a program sell recruits on attending, then the simple answer is let your sports apparel supplier (Nike, UnderArmor, Russell, Addidas) dress you teams as they see fit - uniforms are not an expense to most schools. The function of the Jaqua Center is academic support for student-athletes. My information tells me every school has some type of dedicated facility for this purpose. And that it is the services provided that make the difference for the student-athlete academic success - not the glass windows or sculptures. Which of course brings us to the other often stated opinion on this board - if a student is looking for fancy buildings then they are too shallow to be a Beaver. Finally this ... I do not deny that the generosity of Phil and Penny Knight has been an extraordinary benefit to Oregon. But that one fact is NOT the reason that the Oregon women won basketball games in 2017-18. And to point to that as the single factor for all of Oregon's sporting success is to insult the athletes, coaches and staff that put in the hours and effort to win those games. Which is in fact the reason I posted the information. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 5, 2018 20:14:30 GMT -8
Way to to disect and pick some points and brush over others. I mentioned that if any organization gets an infusion of cash in one area, they can divert funds that would be spent in that area and spend those funds in another.(Thus effectively spending more on both) The fact that PK did not spend one dime (if true) on the Cas does not mean there wasn't more capital available for that project because PK spent money elsewhere. Thank you for reminding me of the name of the Jaqua Center. If you think that is "average" as the same type of all PAC-12 facilities...man you need to get out more. And yes, it can be used for by ALL athletes. So if that facility is "nicer" or "more opulant" than other school's athletic dept. academic centers, then it by nature becomes a recruiting ADVANTAGE for say...the women's hoops program. You can deny the NIKE/uofo connection and say it is because of the sports marketing dept. Could the sports marketing dept be there because of NIKE?(especially since the program, as you stated, started in.....drum roll please....the mid 90's) Look, do I wish OSU had the advantages of a PK...hell yes I do. For someone like you 85 to try to downplay ALL of the advantages...both tangible and intangible...that PK and the company he grew are to uo is really weak. It lends itself to the saying..."He was born on third base and thought he hit a triple". I actually addressed "infusion of cash in one area" by pointing out the directed use of donations. I also addressed the major donations made by other U of O supporters (Pat Kilkenny in baseball, Sanders family for softball). I addressed the link of Oregon to Nike in regarding how Nike does business ... as opposed to assuming that because Phil Knight is the founder that he (or more to the point his board) would act against the interests of the stock holders in relation to marketing and selling both their products and their brand. Specifically, I would challenge you or anyone else to find a decision by Nike to provide employment opportunities to unqualified Oregon graduates as the best option versus other qualified candidates from other schools for a particular position. And you certainly haven't provided any proof of a "LARGE PIPELINE" of ATHLETES from Oregon being employed at Nike in place of any other candidate from any other school. The reason I listed the Sports Marketing Degree Program was to point out what Oregon did with their school of business to actually fill a need that few D1 schools were providing as a directed major. Most Sports Marketing people came to their jobs with business degrees, or psychology degrees, or public admin degrees prior to the establishment of the sports marketing programs around the U.S. Oregon was not the first school to develop such curriculum. That said, there have been a number of these types of degree programs developed since Oregon started theirs. And that is my point about the source of candidates for employment at places like Nike ... while any number of athletes may currently be employed at Nike, their presence has nothing to do with which school they attended and more to do with what they can bring to the profitability and success of Nike - which of course is what Phil Knight wants for his company. Which brings me to the final point of Nike, Phil Knight and Oregon. Phil Knight donates HIS MONEY to Oregon. Nike has larger Marketing contracts with several other schools, including University of Washington, than they do with Oregon. As has been pointed out on Beaver sports forums multiple times, Oregon ACCEPTS the "the changing uniforms" from Nike - other schools choose not to. If you think the changing uniforms helps a program sell recruits on attending, then the simple answer is let your sports apparel supplier (Nike, UnderArmor, Russell, Addidas) dress you teams as they see fit - uniforms are not an expense to most schools. The function of the Jaqua Center is academic support for student-athletes. My information tells me every school has some type of dedicated facility for this purpose. And that it is the services provided that make the difference for the student-athlete academic success - not the glass windows or sculptures. Which of course brings us to the other often stated opinion on this board - if a student is looking for fancy buildings then they are too shallow to be a Beaver. Finally this ... I do not deny that the generosity of Phil and Penny Knight has been an extraordinary benefit to Oregon. But that one fact is NOT the reason that the Oregon women won basketball games in 2017-18. And to point to that as the single factor for all of Oregon's sporting success is to insult the athletes, coaches and staff that put in the hours and effort to win those games. Which is in fact the reason I posted the information. And god forbid anyone should insult a f-ing *uck on this OSU message board. That would just be so...mean. |
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Post by beavs6 on Mar 5, 2018 20:51:49 GMT -8
Way to to disect and pick some points and brush over others. I mentioned that if any organization gets an infusion of cash in one area, they can divert funds that would be spent in that area and spend those funds in another.(Thus effectively spending more on both) The fact that PK did not spend one dime (if true) on the Cas does not mean there wasn't more capital available for that project because PK spent money elsewhere. Thank you for reminding me of the name of the Jaqua Center. If you think that is "average" as the same type of all PAC-12 facilities...man you need to get out more. And yes, it can be used for by ALL athletes. So if that facility is "nicer" or "more opulant" than other school's athletic dept. academic centers, then it by nature becomes a recruiting ADVANTAGE for say...the women's hoops program. You can deny the NIKE/uofo connection and say it is because of the sports marketing dept. Could the sports marketing dept be there because of NIKE?(especially since the program, as you stated, started in.....drum roll please....the mid 90's) Look, do I wish OSU had the advantages of a PK...hell yes I do. For someone like you 85 to try to downplay ALL of the advantages...both tangible and intangible...that PK and the company he grew are to uo is really weak. It lends itself to the saying..."He was born on third base and thought he hit a triple". I actually addressed "infusion of cash in one area" by pointing out the directed use of donations. I also addressed the major donations made by other U of O supporters (Pat Kilkenny in baseball, Sanders family for softball). I addressed the link of Oregon to Nike in regarding how Nike does business ... as opposed to assuming that because Phil Knight is the founder that he (or more to the point his board) would act against the interests of the stock holders in relation to marketing and selling both their products and their brand. Specifically, I would challenge you or anyone else to find a decision by Nike to provide employment opportunities to unqualified Oregon graduates as the best option versus other qualified candidates from other schools for a particular position. And you certainly haven't provided any proof of a "LARGE PIPELINE" of ATHLETES from Oregon being employed at Nike in place of any other candidate from any other school. The reason I listed the Sports Marketing Degree Program was to point out what Oregon did with their school of business to actually fill a need that few D1 schools were providing as a directed major. Most Sports Marketing people came to their jobs with business degrees, or psychology degrees, or public admin degrees prior to the establishment of the sports marketing programs around the U.S. Oregon was not the first school to develop such curriculum. That said, there have been a number of these types of degree programs developed since Oregon started theirs. And that is my point about the source of candidates for employment at places like Nike ... while any number of athletes may currently be employed at Nike, their presence has nothing to do with which school they attended and more to do with what they can bring to the profitability and success of Nike - which of course is what Phil Knight wants for his company. Which brings me to the final point of Nike, Phil Knight and Oregon. Phil Knight donates HIS MONEY to Oregon. Nike has larger Marketing contracts with several other schools, including University of Washington, than they do with Oregon. As has been pointed out on Beaver sports forums multiple times, Oregon ACCEPTS the "the changing uniforms" from Nike - other schools choose not to. If you think the changing uniforms helps a program sell recruits on attending, then the simple answer is let your sports apparel supplier (Nike, UnderArmor, Russell, Addidas) dress you teams as they see fit - uniforms are not an expense to most schools. The function of the Jaqua Center is academic support for student-athletes. My information tells me every school has some type of dedicated facility for this purpose. And that it is the services provided that make the difference for the student-athlete academic success - not the glass windows or sculptures. Which of course brings us to the other often stated opinion on this board - if a student is looking for fancy buildings then they are too shallow to be a Beaver. Finally this ... I do not deny that the generosity of Phil and Penny Knight has been an extraordinary benefit to Oregon. But that one fact is NOT the reason that the Oregon women won basketball games in 2017-18. And to point to that as the single factor for all of Oregon's sporting success is to insult the athletes, coaches and staff that put in the hours and effort to win those games. Which is in fact the reason I posted the information. You keep putting words in my mouth as “most Beaver fans say”. Just use my words. You say the function of a building should be the same, therefore the opulance (read WAY MORE money spent) should not be considered. If that is the case, why Ferarri Leather seats in a room whose primary purpose is a meeting center? These things are by their very nature of descretionary spending, being spent to be used to recruit athletes from ALL sports. The more someone says it’s not about the money. The more words they use to say it’s not about the money. The more they TRY to convince you (and themself) that it’s not about the money...guess what it really is about? |
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 5, 2018 22:28:24 GMT -8
We have a far superior recruiting class to uo. Destiny Slocum is every bit as good a player as Ionescue. For all their "greatness," they won the title by one game. We were in the final 2 for Hebbard and Sabrina, but they chose uo. So be it. The WBB title is the first of the year in the Pac-12 for uo, in any sport. They certainly are not dominating. Quit obsessing. One cannot overstate the recruiting miss on Ionescue. If she were a Beav we'd be back on top of the conference. And... just maybe there was not a "miss". To some coaches "fit" and integrity to their program standards are more important than talent when there is always more out there. Just a thought on alternative "possibilities"... |
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Post by blastingsand on Mar 5, 2018 23:07:39 GMT -8
One thing that's always upset me is that a lot of the fan base does not put up or shut up when it comes to the athletic department vs everyone else's when it comes to $$$
Clearly OSU has some wealthy, wealthy alumni and we cannot get the donations that they can with theirs. Not just talking about Phil Knight.
Collectively all these engineers we boast about should be more than enough be able to boost this department to elite status. But no one ever really steps up. Only thing that happens are these whining and complaining about how the other gets more money.
And on Ionescu, I asked a wbb staff member about her. They stopped recruiting her because her odd personality didn't fit with the team.
Take it or leave it, Slocum is a rock star and everyone will see that next year.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Mar 6, 2018 0:58:30 GMT -8
One thing that's always upset me is that a lot of the fan base does not put up or shut up when it comes to the athletic department vs everyone else's when it comes to $$$ Clearly OSU has some wealthy, wealthy alumni and we cannot get the donations that they can with theirs. Not just talking about Phil Knight. Collectively all these engineers we boast about should be more than enough be able to boost this department to elite status. But no one ever really steps up. Only thing that happens are these whining and complaining about how the other gets more money. And on Ionescu, I asked a wbb staff member about her. They stopped recruiting her because her odd personality didn't fit with the team. Take it or leave it, Slocum is a rock star and everyone will see that next year. One assumption you make is that all of those engineering grads are part of the "fan base". I received my MS and PhD in CS from OSU, mostly paid for by a large engineering company in town. I was interested in teaching as well, however, and they indulged me: in various adjunct professor capacities (over the years before we had kids) I doled out a couple thousand grades, both at the undergraduate and graduate level (again in CS). My observation is that many, many of "these engineers we boast about" were not very aware of the various sports programs and their successes/failures - for many engineering students, it is hard enough to pay for school, get into pro school and what not, and there are some very time-intensive projects in their upper division classes. Granted, some of the students were more well rounded...... My (completely unsubstantiated) point is that I believe schools with lots of majors that attract more well rounded students (be it because the program is "easier", they are more well adjusted, they are more passionate about sports, etc. etc.), or perhaps schools with a larger student population (i.e. UT, UCLA) where there are even a large enough number of well-rounded students in the time/effort intensive majors, there might be a higher probability of athletic department donations from (engineering or other) alum..... NOTE - I did NOT get my undergrad degree at OSU, so I don't have first person experience with that, and most of the undergrad engineering students I observed were the really passionate, dedicated, hardworking types (perhaps outliers) that wanted to strike up more than a passing relationship with their prof. So my sample and observation is admittedly biased. OSU appears to get lots of engineering alumni donations (witness the ECE, ChemE, CivilE buildings all have a major donor/alumni names on them), just not targeted at the sports programs. The two CS alum that just sold CoreOS for $250M will probably make a CS donation before a football one (even though I know one of them for sure somewhat follows the Beavers)......Vet Med as well (another major where I was able to observe how time intensive it was thanks to my then SO now wife). And we just renamed our Vet Med school due to a $50M donation. So our *sports* donor pool might not be as deep in the engineering ranks as we would like. And not every school has an Uncle Phil or Uncle Pickens so interested in sports vs. academics....... Go Beavers! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 2:25:25 GMT -8
Here's how I see it. Women's basketball is one of the few major college sports that an untraditional power school can excel in. I think all you need is a great coach and you can make some noise. Traditional mens basketball powers like Duke, North Carolina, Kentucky, Kansas, and UCLA don't dominate womens basketball like you'd think they would (Instead its just dominated by UConn and only UConn lol). So I don't really see OSU's success really going any where as long as we keep our coaching and keep investing in the program.
I believe all the uniforms and nice facilities that Oregon athletics is built upon doesn't work in the long term. Consistently good programs are built by great coaches, not a billion different uniforms.
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Post by carlosdanger on Mar 6, 2018 2:42:52 GMT -8
I believe all the uniforms and nice facilities that Oregon athletics is built upon doesn't work in the long term. Consistently good programs are built by great coaches, not a billion different uniforms. It appears the Ducks have both, for both women's and men's basketball. Is there a school in the conference that wouldn't trade their basketball coaches in for the duo of Graves and Altman? Both those guys proved they were very good coaches before they ever got to Oregon, and they have continued their successful ways. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 3:18:57 GMT -8
I believe all the uniforms and nice facilities that Oregon athletics is built upon doesn't work in the long term. Consistently good programs are built by great coaches, not a billion different uniforms. It appears the Ducks have both, for both women's and men's basketball. Is there a school in the conference that wouldn't trade their basketball coaches in for the duo of Graves and Altman? Both those guys proved they were very good coaches before they ever got to Oregon, and they have continued their successful ways. Well Arizona wouldn't trade miller for a downgrade at mens and upgrade at womens, even with the investigation. UCLA women's went 24-7, 3rd in pac 12 and mens team is good and Alford is on a tear in recruiting recently so I'd say they wouldn't trade either. USC maybe, maybe not? Idk if they'd trade enfield even though he hasn't really done anything, but they'd prob trade the womens coach. OSU wouldn't trade Rueck for Graves but tinkle for altman? no question. But yeah you're right most schools in the pac 12 would. Whats interesting is how Oregons baseball coach hasn't been able to do squat even with proven success previously at fullerton and brand new facilities. Same thing the basketball teams have done, but no success. |
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Post by gnawitall on Mar 6, 2018 3:58:50 GMT -8
It appears the Ducks have both, for both women's and men's basketball. Is there a school in the conference that wouldn't trade their basketball coaches in for the duo of Graves and Altman? Both those guys proved they were very good coaches before they ever got to Oregon, and they have continued their successful ways. Well Arizona wouldn't trade miller for a downgrade at mens and upgrade at womens, even with the investigation. UCLA women's went 24-7, 3rd in pac 12 and mens team is good and Alford is on a tear in recruiting recently so I'd say they wouldn't trade either. USC maybe, maybe not? Idk if they'd trade enfield even though he hasn't really done anything, but they'd prob trade the womens coach. OSU wouldn't trade Rueck for Graves but tinkle for altman? no question. But yeah you're right most schools in the pac 12 would. Whats interesting is how Oregons baseball coach hasn't been able to do squat even with proven success previously at fullerton and brand new facilities. Same thing the basketball teams have done, but no success. I wouldn't call having great recruiting classes, being a national seed, and making it to a super regional with a 2-1 loss from the CWS as a restarted program squat but to your point of sustainability it appears the hype has worn down a bit. Plus two words, Pat Casey. |
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Post by willtalk on Mar 15, 2018 14:36:43 GMT -8
And on Ionescu, I asked a wbb staff member about her. They stopped recruiting her because her odd personality didn't fit with the team. Take it or leave it, Slocum is a rock star and everyone will see that next year. She is form my area and have followed her since she was a freshman. I can totally understand why the felt that way, but they were wrong. She is a very complex and not that easy to understand. I ran into her dad a few times and the thing was that initially I did not like him. The thing is that they have an immigrant back ground from a Eastern European country and I am sure that impacts their first impressions. The second time I met him I came away with an entirely different impression. I suspect that it might be the same with Sabrina. She is just a different animal and not that easy to read. Admittedly by perspective of Sabrina has run hot and cold through out her high school career. So while I can also understand the reservations about her personality, are they running a girls club or a basketball team? Do they want players who get along off court but are like oil and water with no synchronicity on the court. On the court she makes the players around he better, which can not be said for some of the players that Oregon St. has recruited. They can spin it any way they want but bottom line is that they sc*wed up. They might not have gotten her anyway but their reason for stopping to recruit her was bogus. That said I am sure Slocum will make a big difference next season. The thing is that it was important to have a point guard this year not next. Maria's Sr season was wasted she will be gone next year and it will be at least another year for the center position to a strength again. Just as big a miss was not getting Sabally. She would have supplied the rebounding, creating off the dribble, defender and 3 point shooter all in one body that they really missed this season. Makes me wonder with Maria as her teammate on the national team why she didn't come to Oregon St. I have my suspicions. |
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Post by green85 on Mar 15, 2018 14:46:47 GMT -8
And on Ionescu, I asked a wbb staff member about her. They stopped recruiting her because her odd personality didn't fit with the team. Take it or leave it, Slocum is a rock star and everyone will see that next year. She is form my area and have followed her since she was a freshman. I can totally understand why the felt that way, but they were wrong. She is a very complex and not that easy to understand. I ran into her dad a few times and the thing was that initially I did not like him. The thing is that they have an immigrant back ground from a Eastern European country and I am sure that impacts their first impressions. The second time I met him I came away with an entirely different impression. I suspect that it might be the same with Sabrina. She is just a different animal and not that easy to read. While i can understand the reservations about her personality, but are they running a girls club or a basketball team? Do they want players who get along off court but are like oil and water with no synchronicity on the court. On the court she makes the players around he better, which can not be said for some of the players that Oregon St. has recruited. They can spin it any way they want but bottom line is that they sc*wed up. They might not have gotten her anyway but their reason for stopping to recruit her was bogus. That said I am sure Slocum will make a big difference next season. The thing is that it was important to have a point guard this year not next. Maria's Sr season was wasted she will be gone next year and it will be at least another year for the center position to a strength again. Just as big a miss was not getting Sabally. She would have supplied the rebounding, creating off the dribble, defender and 3 point shooter all in one body that they really missed this season. Makes me wonder with Maria as her teammate on the national team why she didn't come to Oregon St. I have my suspicions. "I have my suspicions." I am curious about any detail regarding those suspicions. May I suggest some alternatives from a Duck fan view: Is it possible that she and Marie did not get along? Is it possible that Sabally saw Ionescu, Hebard and others on Oregon's team and felt that was a good fit for her? Could a Final 4 run in 2017 sway a recruit to choose Oregon? |
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Post by texasbeaver on Mar 15, 2018 15:01:50 GMT -8
And on Ionescu, I asked a wbb staff member about her. They stopped recruiting her because her odd personality didn't fit with the team. Take it or leave it, Slocum is a rock star and everyone will see that next year. She is form my area and have followed her since she was a freshman. I can totally understand why the felt that way, but they were wrong. She is a very complex and not that easy to understand. I ran into her dad a few times and the thing was that initially I did not like him. The thing is that they have an immigrant back ground from a Eastern European country and I am sure that impacts their first impressions. The second time I met him I came away with an entirely different impression. I suspect that it might be the same with Sabrina. She is just a different animal and not that easy to read. Admittedly by perspective of Sabrina has run hot and cold through out her high school career. So while I can also understand the reservations about her personality, are they running a girls club or a basketball team? Do they want players who get along off court but are like oil and water with no synchronicity on the court. On the court she makes the players around he better, which can not be said for some of the players that Oregon St. has recruited. They can spin it any way they want but bottom line is that they sc*wed up. They might not have gotten her anyway but their reason for stopping to recruit her was bogus. That said I am sure Slocum will make a big difference next season. The thing is that it was important to have a point guard this year not next. Maria's Sr season was wasted she will be gone next year and it will be at least another year for the center position to a strength again. Just as big a miss was not getting Sabally. She would have supplied the rebounding, creating off the dribble, defender and 3 point shooter all in one body that they really missed this season. Makes me wonder with Maria as her teammate on the national team why she didn't come to Oregon St. I have my suspicions. I have read or heard enough quotes from her (Sabrina) that I do not think she would be a good fit. Scott is big on culture and being the right "fit". My guess would be that he has had a cancer in the locker room before. We needed a point guard and recruited one from Texas. It came down between OSU and Stanford and she chose Stanford. He then got Destiny. |
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Post by bennyskid on Mar 15, 2018 15:11:11 GMT -8
Graves said it: This is going to be a great rivalry for a long time to come. Let's just enjoy it. What pleasure is there in beating the Ducks if they aren't putting everything they can into it?
And what the hell are we doing when we start bad-mouthing 18-year-old girls because they enrolled in the "wrong" school? She's just a teen-age girl who decided to play basketball and take classes somewhere other than Corvallis. That isn't a character flaw.
There are 80 minutes each year in which you are allowed to hate on Sabrina Ionescu, but the rest of the year, bitching about her is just being an a**.
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Post by texasbeaver on Mar 15, 2018 16:20:09 GMT -8
Graves said it: This is going to be a great rivalry for a long time to come. Let's just enjoy it. What pleasure is there in beating the Ducks if they aren't putting everything they can into it? And what the hell are we doing when we start bad-mouthing 18-year-old girls because they enrolled in the "wrong" school? She's just a teen-age girl who decided to play basketball and take classes somewhere other than Corvallis. That isn't a character flaw. There are 80 minutes each year in which you are allowed to hate on Sabrina Ionescu, but the rest of the year, bitching about her is just being an a**. I don’t think anyone here hates Sabrina. Just don’t think she would be a good fit |
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