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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 26, 2018 9:27:17 GMT -8
There are only two real choices for the award this season. Will the voters go with the triple-double queen Ionescu who led her team to the PAC-12 title for the first time in two decades? Or, will the all-around offensive/defensive brilliance of the 6'5" senior Gulich land her the honor? We will find out on Tuesday.
PAC-12 reps have to give Gulich another Player of the Week honor after the two games that she put together in Arizona. Down the stretch of the PAC-12 regular season, Gulich's stock has risen as she led her young squad to seven straight PAC-12 wins and a #3 seed in the PAC-12 tourney.
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Post by 411500 on Feb 26, 2018 9:53:40 GMT -8
Have to agree with you beaverfever - - every voter has known about S. I. since before the season began...Gulich is a great player but her brilliance is a late arrival to the voters minds.....
S.I. is the best offensive talent in the PAC in a long time..She can score in any system....Her triple double stats are absolutely mind blowing....
To me it's likely that Marie will come in 2nd or 3rd in the voting....But I'd love to see her win it all....
GO BEAVS....
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2ndGenBeaver
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Feb 26, 2018 9:56:33 GMT -8
Agree - compelling arguments for Pac-12 champs to have the POTY, especially since they haven't been conf champs in decades and SI has a national profile and has the stats to support it.
Marie might get the Defensive POTY.....
Now all I am left to root for is early 'uck exits from both upcoming tournaments :-).
Go Beavers!
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Post by lefty on Feb 26, 2018 10:05:40 GMT -8
Sadly, I would have to go with SI because of her team winning the conference championship, but on the other hand where would the respective teams be without the services of these two players? Without the slightest doubt, if that was the deciding criteria, Marie hands down would be the choice.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 26, 2018 10:20:56 GMT -8
Don't sleep on Jordin Canada. Coaches love seniors. Most valuable to their teams, probably McPhee and Gulich. Oregon and UCLA have tons of complementary talent, we and Stanford don't.
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Post by newduke2 on Feb 26, 2018 10:53:35 GMT -8
I agree with 2ndgenbeaver, Pac 12 Defensive POTY is Marie's best chance for an annual award, but there is stiff competition here too. Nevertheless, she should be Player of the Week for a second straight week given her excellent work.
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Post by mbabeav on Feb 26, 2018 11:11:28 GMT -8
I agree, you win the conference with a player that has the stats that SI had, that is POY material. Marie has all-Pac 10, DPY season, and a top 10 in the pro draft destined for her. That's not so bad  |
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Post by beavadelic on Feb 26, 2018 12:35:06 GMT -8
Agree - compelling arguments for Pac-12 champs to have the POTY, especially since they haven't been conf champs in decades and SI has a national profile and has the stats to support it. Marie might get the Defensive POTY..... Now all I am left to root for is early 'uck exits from both upcoming tournaments :-). Go Beavers! Either way, it will be tough for SI to only be the second best PG in the conference next season. Destiny was superior to her (certainly as good anyway)when they were freshmen, and it will be fun to watch those two battle for the next two seasons to see whose team can get the upper hand. I’m sure that Destiny is chomping at the bit to play real games again. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 26, 2018 12:46:49 GMT -8
Agree - compelling arguments for Pac-12 champs to have the POTY, especially since they haven't been conf champs in decades and SI has a national profile and has the stats to support it. Marie might get the Defensive POTY..... Now all I am left to root for is early 'uck exits from both upcoming tournaments :-). Go Beavers! Either way, it will be tough for SI to only be the second best PG in the conference next season. Destiny was superior to her (certainly as good anyway)when they were freshmen, and it will be fun to watch those two battle for the next two seasons to see whose team can get the upper hand. I’m sure that Destiny is chomping at the bit to play real games again. Maybe a poor analogy, but I'll take the "John Stockton" PG over the "Dame Lillard" for the way SR teams play. They'll both lead their teams, but I very different ways. |
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Post by beavadelic on Feb 26, 2018 14:06:06 GMT -8
Either way, it will be tough for SI to only be the second best PG in the conference next season. Destiny was superior to her (certainly as good anyway)when they were freshmen, and it will be fun to watch those two battle for the next two seasons to see whose team can get the upper hand. I’m sure that Destiny is chomping at the bit to play real games again. Maybe a poor analogy, but I'll take the "John Stockton" PG over the "Dame Lillard" for the way SR teams play. They'll both lead their teams, but I very different ways. Maybe not that far off in that comparison. Although DS has some real moxie and flash, she plays PG like a coach on the court. SI is a wonderful talent and would have been a great player wherever she ended up, but she’s got to get her shots to stay engaged. I love Lillard and can’t say enough about his talent, clutch performance and great attitude, but sometimes if Damian isn’t scoring or his teammates aren’t producing when he dishes, you can almost forget he’s out there. I remember watching former Beav Adam Masten play a game in his junior year at Sprague. The Olys won, and Adam didn’t score a point, and only took a couple of shots. However, he had a dozen assists and rebounds and no turnovers on the night while controlling the flow of the game and beating every defensive ploy the opponent could muster to try to disrupt Sprague’s offense from end line to end line. After the game, I commented to his dad (Olys coach Steve) that I wish Adam would have taken more shots, to which Steve replied, “he did exactly what I want my point guard to do”. In his ultra-disciplined and methodical style, even a point guard with Adam’s skills was most effective as a floor general, who controlled the tempo and let the scoring come - or not - in the regular flow of the game. SR looks for young women who play with poise, discipline and a committment to TEAM. When all 5 women bring the intensity in his system, it’s a thing of beauty. When there is athleticism to go with that mindset, you get UConn. We aren’t quite there, but it’s pretty special what we have going in women’s hoops. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 27, 2018 18:18:41 GMT -8
The latter (now official). POY: "I" "I" "I" DPOY: CanadaFOTY: Sabally SAOTY: McPhee COTY: TVD Who was it on this board who said Jordin Canada can’t guard anyone in halfcourt? bennyshouse.com/post/81191 |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 27, 2018 20:35:18 GMT -8
USC and UCLA both with two players on the all-defensive team and yet their teams defense are neither in the top two for the Pac-12. Wow, the rest of the team must really suck huh?
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Post by newduke2 on Feb 27, 2018 22:01:49 GMT -8
USC and UCLA both with two players on the all-defensive team and yet their teams defense are neither in the top two for the Pac-12. Wow, the rest of the team must really suck huh? One could readily argue that OSU was the top defensive team in the Pac 12. The one thing that kills them is turnover margin (some loose ball handling, giving up steals, and not making many steals). OSU is dead last. Anyhow, given that the number of all-defense team players is dominated by USC and UCLA, the voters must be weighing turnover margin (and steals made) as THE most important defensive stat while devaluing others. The voters appear to love gals that steal balls more than those who play all around good defense.
static.pac-12.com/sports/basketball-w/stats/2017-18/HTML/confldrs.htm (P.S. one could also argue that OSU was the number 1 or at worst number 2 best offense team (behind only Oregon)
Turnover Margin 1. USC +5.0 2. UCLA +3.5 3. Arizona State +3.3 4. Washington +3.1 5. Washington State +2.9 12. Oregon State -5.0
Field Goal Defense % 1. Oregon State .345
2. Stanford .360
3. UCLA .381
4. Oregon .391
5. Utah .394
8. USC .406
Scoring Defense Pts Avg/G
1. Arizona State 57.3
2. Oregon State 58.1
3. USC 60.9
4. Stanford 61.6 5. UCLA 61.9
3-Point FG Defense %
1. Stanford .282
2. Oregon State .286
3. Arizona State .290
4. UCLA .308
5. Oregon .311 8. USC .327
Rebounding Defense Rebounds Avg/G
1. Arizona State 30.3
2. Oregon 31.8
3. Oregon State 32.0
4. Utah 32.7
5. California 32.9
6. UCLA 35.2
6. USC 35.2
Rebounding Margin Blocked Shots Avg/G
1. Oregon State +10.9 1. Oregon State 6.30
2. Utah +7.8 2. Stanford 5.30
3. UCLA +7.2 3. Washington State 4.50
4. Oregon +6.8 4. Utah 4.40
5. Arizona State +6.7 5. UCLA 4.30
9. USC -0.9 9. USC 3.10
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 28, 2018 7:45:15 GMT -8
It was me. And I'll stand by that. She's excellent in pressure defense, but almost always guards the other team's weakest guards in a half-court situation.
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Post by green85 on Feb 28, 2018 9:54:22 GMT -8
Either way, it will be tough for SI to only be the second best PG in the conference next season. Destiny was superior to her (certainly as good anyway)when they were freshmen, and it will be fun to watch those two battle for the next two seasons to see whose team can get the upper hand. I’m sure that Destiny is chomping at the bit to play real games again. Maybe a poor analogy, but I'll take the "John Stockton" PG over the "Dame Lillard" for the way SR teams play. They'll both lead their teams, but I very different ways. SI does not play point guard on the current Ducks team. She is playing the 2 guard. Oregon's PG this season is Maite Cazorla. BTW .. Destiny's Maryland team played Sabrina's Oregon team in the NCAA tourney last season. The closest stat among the two players was turnovers: Sabrina 4 Destiny 5 The rest of the stat line for-shadowed Sabrina's sophomore season: 21 points 7 assists 6 rebounds 2 steals Destiny's stats in that game: 9 points 3 assists 1 rebound 0 steals Both players played 38 minutes. |
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