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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 25, 2018 14:49:19 GMT -8
Follow the money. Look at the players' tax returns. Do you really think players would file taxes on money obtained under the table? The most one could devine out of that is that a player might be living beyond their means, which frankly has been pretty obvious at times over the years... cars from rich uncles and such. 100% right, but the IRS will now insure that the money shows up on them!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 25, 2018 15:55:15 GMT -8
Not sure this is the best use of the FBI and just shows how useless the NCAA is a policing its schools and rules. There are far more important things for the FBI to be doing. However, the FBI seems intent on losing caches of weapons and not investigating demented individuals with large caches of weapons. The FBI's first and foremost job is to keep each of us safe. I have no arguments. Beyond keeping Americans safe, however, one of the other highest orders of business for the FBI is to make sure that everyone is paying their fair share in taxes to keep help police the seas, to keep money flowing to schools, to help keep America great, to help perpetuate the system, etc. And to make make sure that large amounts of money are not going to the wrong people, who could use that money against the American people. This is what this investigation feels like. The FBI needs to get involved to make sure that everyone is paying his fair share. Using the FBI to shake more money out of those who owe it, either by prosecuting them, or by scaring similarly-situated individuals into paying their fair share, is worthwhile. It pales in comparison to the FBI's primary function of safety. However, keeping America's debt as low as possible, keeps America's economy working, which does have tremendous value. As long as the United States of America can keep its debt:GDP on the good side of the UK, France, Canada, Spain, Singapore, Greece, and Japan, everything should be fine. But it is worthwhile to invest resources to stay on the right side of the Spains, Greeces, etc. of this world.
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Post by sagebrush on Feb 25, 2018 21:29:24 GMT -8
They got Capone on taxes. Look at how they are pressuring the current politicos--taxes and money laundering. Bet your ass they follow the money.
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Post by beaverinohio on Feb 26, 2018 7:51:33 GMT -8
Not sure this is the best use of the FBI and just shows how useless the NCAAA is a policing its schools and rules. While I'd agree that this might not be the best use of the FBI and that the NCAA is terrible at policing schools and rules, the NCAA also isn't equipped for an investigation of this sort. They can't wire tap, get people to turnover because of the threat of jail time, etc. NCAA really has to rely on complete stupidity or someone talking (and actually telling the truth). And the coaches, players and schools know this. Deny, deny, deny is what they do in the case of an NCAA investigation until they're actually sure NCAA has something and then they will only admit to what NCAA already knows. More difficult to do that when you might actually get jail time when FBI investigating.
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Post by lebaneaver on Feb 26, 2018 8:44:01 GMT -8
The FBI has field offices ALL over the US. Different units handle different issues. The NCAA investigation has NOTHING to do with the failure of the local enforcement folks to follow up on the warnings about Cruz. Nothing. There are over 36,000 folks working for the agency...around 14,000 special agents. They receive THOUSANDS of calls every month with "info," "tips," etc,. Many, from nut-job conspiracy lovers.
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Post by atownbeaver on Feb 26, 2018 8:55:49 GMT -8
The FBI has field offices ALL over the US. Different units handle different issues. The NCAA investigation has NOTHING to do with the failure of the local enforcement folks to follow up on the warnings about Cruz. Nothing. There are over 36,000 folks working for the agency...around 14,000 special agents. They receive THOUSANDS of calls every month with "info," "tips," etc,. Many, from nut-job conspiracy lovers. I was gonna say this: FBI has thousands of agents, with dozens and dozens of areas of focus. It ain't like we are talking about one office in DC. The "FBI has better things to do" is a silly notion. They are doing exactly what they are suppose to do. Investigate violations of FEDERAL law. It is their literal job.
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Post by BeaverG20 on Feb 26, 2018 9:10:12 GMT -8
The FBI has field offices ALL over the US. Different units handle different issues. The NCAA investigation has NOTHING to do with the failure of the local enforcement folks to follow up on the warnings about Cruz. Nothing. There are over 36,000 folks working for the agency...around 14,000 special agents. They receive THOUSANDS of calls every month with "info," "tips," etc,. Many, from nut-job conspiracy lovers. I was gonna say this: FBI has thousands of agents, with dozens and dozens of areas of focus. It ain't like we are talking about one office in DC. The "FBI has better things to do" is a silly notion. They are doing exactly what they are suppose to do. Investigate violations of FEDERAL law. It is their literal job. How about "The FBI has a lot of things they could do better."
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Post by jdogge on Feb 26, 2018 9:28:10 GMT -8
They got Capone on taxes. Look at how they are pressuring the current politicos--taxes and money laundering. Bet your ass they follow the money. Um, no. The Treasury Department got Capone.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 26, 2018 9:31:03 GMT -8
Sure makes it tougher to compete when at least four teams in your league are buying players and you play by the rules. TSDTR will have its day in the limelight soon. Players don't flock to a school with no basketball history and to a coach with no charisma whatsoever unless Nike and money have something to do with it.
The persistent rumor is the asking price for Chris Boucher several years ago was upwards of $50k. That's why so many teams backed off on him after offering. One school didn't.
The NCAA is a voluntary organization. It has no legal power to do anything, that's why the FBI has the hammer here. That said, the NCAA needs to crack down on cheating schools. And the only way to do that an automatic postseason ban on Level 1 cheaters.
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Post by jdogge on Feb 26, 2018 9:37:39 GMT -8
I was gonna say this: FBI has thousands of agents, with dozens and dozens of areas of focus. It ain't like we are talking about one office in DC. The "FBI has better things to do" is a silly notion. They are doing exactly what they are suppose to do. Investigate violations of FEDERAL law. It is their literal job. How about "The FBI has a lot of things they could do better." Actually, no. How about -- the FBI has a lot of things they could do better with more funding and less political interference?
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Post by atownbeaver on Feb 26, 2018 9:45:25 GMT -8
They got Capone on taxes. Look at how they are pressuring the current politicos--taxes and money laundering. Bet your ass they follow the money. Um, no. The Treasury Department got Capone. IRS special investigation unit is also a federal agency charged with investigating federal crimes. and to be fair, many of the issues the Treasury investigated in the 1920s and 1930s have been spun out to their own agencies (ATF, for example) and put under the DOJ umbrella. It is fair to say "the Feds" got Capone on tax evasion (and Volstead violations, it wasn't just tax...) Sagebrush's point is still valid, following the money is how a whole lot of criminals go down.
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Post by atownbeaver on Feb 26, 2018 9:51:57 GMT -8
How about "The FBI has a lot of things they could do better." Actually, no. How about -- the FBI has a lot of things they could do better with more funding and less political interference? I agree. Everybody is pissed off the FBI ignored Cruz... but what exactly where they suppose to do with a person that had not broken the law? Hindsight is 20/20 but it is an incredibly dangerous slippery slope to start institutionalizing people that have not committed a crime. It is not illegal to be creepy, nor should it be. We simply do not have the laws, the policies, the protections or anything in place to do that well. And in the times we do it, it is always difficult and contentious. We are talking about the ultimate violation of civil liberties... imprisoning a person. We can't take those decisions lightly, particularly when we are in the universe of what a person COULD do, not what they DID do. (not meaning to go off the rails here...oh well).
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Post by ag87 on Feb 26, 2018 9:52:16 GMT -8
The FBI has field offices ALL over the US. Different units handle different issues. The NCAA investigation has NOTHING to do with the failure of the local enforcement folks to follow up on the warnings about Cruz. Nothing. There are over 36,000 folks working for the agency...around 14,000 special agents. They receive THOUSANDS of calls every month with "info," "tips," etc,. Many, from nut-job conspiracy lovers. The FBI has an office in Portland. A colleague of mine from the 90's wife worked there. She said she was administrative but she had a undergrad in physics from Boston College, and the one time my gf and I met them at a movie theater she showed a me a small handgun in her clutch. I was guessing she would be the wrong person with which to get into a gunfight.
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Post by atownbeaver on Feb 26, 2018 9:54:22 GMT -8
Sure makes it tougher to compete when at least four teams in your league are buying players and you play by the rules. TSDTR will have its day in the limelight soon. Players don't flock to a school with no basketball history and to a coach with no charisma whatsoever unless Nike and money have something to do with it. The persistent rumor is the asking price for Chris Boucher several years ago was upwards of $50k. That's why so many teams backed off on him after offering. One school didn't. The NCAA is a voluntary organization. It has no legal power to do anything, that's why the FBI has the hammer here. That said, the NCAA needs to crack down on cheating schools. And the only way to do that an automatic postseason ban on Level 1 cheaters. Scholarship loss is the hammer that has to happen. you want to punish a program for breaking the rules, a post season ban is insufficient, because a player will still go to popular school that gets on TV. a player will not pay his own way to a popular program that gets on TV. Cutting scholarships is the only real true mechanism to punish a program.
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Post by mbabeav on Feb 26, 2018 10:31:38 GMT -8
They got Capone on taxes. Look at how they are pressuring the current politicos--taxes and money laundering. Bet your ass they follow the money. Um, no. The Treasury Department got Capone. Well, at the time of Capone the FBI was a cozy little agency that had yet to balloon out under the demands of WWII security under the control of J. Edgar. I think the point is that the Feds follow the money - the FBI as much now as the IRS et al.
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