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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 22, 2018 21:49:01 GMT -8
If it’s not concluded within a week I will consider the accusations made in Minyon Moore’s deleted tweets uncorroborated and unsubstantiated.
And therefore, false.
No earthly reason why it should take more than a few days to ascertain the facts on something that allegedly occurred in a well-lit public place, in front of thousands.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 22, 2018 22:37:26 GMT -8
I know a couple season ticket holders that were called and asked if they heard anything, none of them had.
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Post by lebaneaver on Feb 23, 2018 8:12:17 GMT -8
We just have to hope no damage was done to the program. Some folks, “hear what they want to hear,” facts be damned. I don’t get it, but it happens.
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Post by 411500 on Feb 23, 2018 8:32:20 GMT -8
squonk - when an accusation is neither confirmed nor corroborated it does not make the accusation false.
It makes it lacking in evidence; it makes it improbable; it makes it not worthy to bring to court. But it does to make it false.
That is the difficulty with an "I heard" or "I felt" accusation. It can never be totally disproved. It can be doubted to the point of disbelief, but it cannot be disproved.
That is one reason why accusations of perception are so difficult to deal with in courts, in corporations, in the military, etc.
If the accusation is "You said" the case is easier to resolve. If the accusation is "I heard" then resolution is much, much stickier.
It seems to me the best that OSU will come out of this is a statement that the accusation is neither confirmed nor corroborated.
There will been apologies, and no admission of wrong doing from USC.
The nature of the accusation is such that it cannot be disproved, it can only be discredited or rendered implausible.
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Post by willtalk on Feb 23, 2018 8:55:23 GMT -8
Was there even a formal accusation made by either USC or anyone else. I doubt it. This investigation seems to be in response purely to media stories that originated because of a tweet based of second hand information by a player who quickly took it down. Oregon St was sort of obligated to investigate. Since USC never made the accusation they have no need to apologize. The player that tweeted it took it down so they do not have to either. The media who carried the story certainly won't. The days of news media substantiating stories before they print or convey them has been over for quite some time.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 23, 2018 12:11:28 GMT -8
Was there even a formal accusation made by either USC or anyone else. I doubt it. This investigation seems to be in response purely to media stories that originated because of a tweet based of second hand information by a player who quickly took it down. Oregon St was sort of obligated to investigate. Since USC never made the accusation they have no need to apologize. The player that tweeted it took it down so they do not have to either. The media who carried the story certainly won't. The days of news media substantiating stories before they print or convey them has been over for quite some time. The fact that Moore deleted her postgame tweets within minutes of posting them means that she is not standing by the accusations they contained. If they were truthful and factual why would you delete them? The fact that after 5 days nobody from USC, OSU, the Pac-12 or the general public has come forward to publicly support the tweeted accusations further undermines their (and her) credibility. Particularly given that the alleged slurs occurred in a public sporting event with thousands in attendance. Unless something changes, a simple public apology from either USC or Minyon Moore herself would be a helpful first step to close the books on this bizarre situation. No retraction is necessary as she has already taken down the initial tweeted accusations. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 24, 2018 21:22:55 GMT -8
squonk - when an accusation is neither confirmed nor corroborated it does not make the accusation false. It makes it lacking in evidence; it makes it improbable; it makes it not worthy to bring to court. But it does to make it false. That is the difficulty with an "I heard" or "I felt" accusation. It can never be totally disproved. It can be doubted to the point of disbelief, but it cannot be disproved. That is one reason why accusations of perception are so difficult to deal with in courts, in corporations, in the military, etc. If the accusation is "You said" the case is easier to resolve. If the accusation is "I heard" then resolution is much, much stickier. It seems to me the best that OSU will come out of this is a statement that the accusation is neither confirmed nor corroborated. There will been apologies, and no admission of wrong doing from USC. The nature of the accusation is such that it cannot be disproved, it can only be discredited or rendered implausible. Agreed that you can't prove a negative. If Minyon Moore says she saw the Easter easy shot you can't prove she didn't. But without any corroboration (given the highly public nature of the event) I certainly don't have to believe her. Especially when she herself no longer stands by those statements. |
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Post by bennyskid on Feb 25, 2018 7:46:58 GMT -8
There is no investigation. I'm told that they caught the a*****e at the scene of the crime. Apparently it took a little time for that information to get to Minyon Moore and the OSU administration. I would assume that Minyon took down her tweet after being told that justice was being served.
That's how news works in the age of Twitter. It probably took a half-hour to sort it all out, but by then it's story 1 on ESPNW.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 25, 2018 8:17:35 GMT -8
There is no investigation. I'm told that they caught the a*****e at the scene of the crime. Apparently it took a little time for that information to get to Minyon Moore and the OSU administration. I would assume that Minyon took down her tweet after being told that justice was being served. That's how news works in the age of Twitter. It probably took a half-hour to sort it all out, but by then it's story 1 on ESPNW. and it’s one jerk-off, he deserves to be banned from all OSU events for life. If it’s a student he should be expelled. Yes, expelled - pack your bags, GTFO. It’s important that we make an example of him. It would also be important to know if the specific slurs Minyon Moore posted were actually hurled. Her tweets were a broad-brush indictment of OSU’s entire fanbase. As that includes me, I do take it personally. Finally, if it all happened that fast (Moore’s post was up for a few minutes) why still, has nothing been said officially nearly a full week after? This demands resolution ASAP. For Moore’s and USC’s sake and for OSU’s. Time for the administrators to earn their paychecks. leadership.oregonstate.edu/diversity/bias-incident-response/report-bias-incidentp.s. If it is one guy, he must be a remorseless prick since he’s let an entire week go by without offering a sincere apology. And in this case given its very public aspect, a private apology is totally insufficient. |
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Post by bennyskid on Feb 25, 2018 9:58:53 GMT -8
There are plenty of reasons to just let it rest. If it's a student, there are disciplinary protocols that must be followed. No matter who it is, there is a good argument that any public flogging just puts it in ESPN's news rotation one more time, to the embarrassment of the school. All of us fans would love to know the details, but, as a certain Secretary of State once said, "What difference – at this point, what difference does it make?"
And do you really expect an apology from the perpetrator?
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 25, 2018 10:17:41 GMT -8
There are plenty of reasons to just let it rest. If it's a student, there are disciplinary protocols that must be followed. No matter who it is, there is a good argument that any public flogging just puts it in ESPN's news rotation one more time, to the embarrassment of the school. All of us fans would love to know the details, but, as a certain Secretary of State once said, "What difference – at this point, what difference does it make?" And do you really expect an apology from the perpetrator? Let me get this clear. That is your recommended resolution to this - just let it rest? Don’t say anything? Let it blow over? Hush it up? If the allegations are true I want to know what OSU intends to do to prevent it from happening again. And I sure as hell want to know that that lowlife individual will not be at any OSU events I plan on attending. “Just letting it rest” would be the absolute WORST possible course of action. I expect an an apology if the guy has a conscience and is ashamed of what he did. I expect an apology, a public one, if he ever wants to go to OSU events sometime before he dies. If it’s a student, a public apology is an absolute prerequisite for readmittance to the university. Spare me any “privacy” arguments. The alleged incident took place at a highly public event in front of thousands in attendance and broadcast to millions. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 25, 2018 10:36:14 GMT -8
There are plenty of reasons to just let it rest. If it's a student, there are disciplinary protocols that must be followed. No matter who it is, there is a good argument that any public flogging just puts it in ESPN's news rotation one more time, to the embarrassment of the school. All of us fans would love to know the details, but, as a certain Secretary of State once said, "What difference – at this point, what difference does it make?" And do you really expect an apology from the perpetrator? Let me get this clear. That is your recommended resolution to this - just let it rest? Don’t say anything? Let it blow over? Hush it up? If the allegations are true I want to know what OSU intends to do to prevent it from happening again. And I sure as hell want to know that that lowlife individual will not be at any OSU events I plan on attending. “Just letting it rest” would be the absolute WORST possible course of action.
I expect an an apology if the guy has a conscience and is ashamed of what he did. I expect an apology, a public one, if he ever wants to go to OSU events sometime before he dies. If it’s a student, a public apology is an absolute prerequisite for readmittance to the university. Spare me any “privacy” arguments. The alleged incident took place at a highly public event in front of thousands in attendance and broadcast to millions. LMAO... like your opinion on what is worst or what you expect really matters???! Get off the high horse... if it was handled, it was handled and your opinion really does not matter. In fact your posts lately are as inflammatory as the original uninformed news posts. You need to get off the morale high a bit on this one as you obviously knew ZIP about the incident or that the perp may/was caught. Hence, you also know little else on the topic of how or when it will be "handled". Give it a rest... the "look at me hour" is over. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 25, 2018 10:48:06 GMT -8
Let me get this clear. That is your recommended resolution to this - just let it rest? Don’t say anything? Let it blow over? Hush it up? If the allegations are true I want to know what OSU intends to do to prevent it from happening again. And I sure as hell want to know that that lowlife individual will not be at any OSU events I plan on attending. “Just letting it rest” would be the absolute WORST possible course of action.
I expect an an apology if the guy has a conscience and is ashamed of what he did. I expect an apology, a public one, if he ever wants to go to OSU events sometime before he dies. If it’s a student, a public apology is an absolute prerequisite for readmittance to the university. Spare me any “privacy” arguments. The alleged incident took place at a highly public event in front of thousands in attendance and broadcast to millions. LMAO... like your opinion on what is worst or what you expect really matters???! Get off the high horse... if it was handled, it was handled and your opinion really does not matter. In fact your posts lately are as inflammatory as the original uninformed news posts. You need to get off the morale high a bit on this one as you obviously knew ZIP about the incident or that the perp may/was caught. Hence, you also know little else on the topic of how or when it will be "handled". Give it a rest... the "look at me hour" is over. I’m just one OSU fan. To the extent that OSU Athletics depends on fan opinion and support, it matters. To the extent that they want to maintain the high opinion of their longstanding supporters in the state, it matters. The original accusations; of OSU fans calling USC players “nig***s” and “black bit***s” don’t bother you? They bother me. They need to be addressed. PUBLICLY as OSU is a public institution. And the sooner the better. The clock is ticking. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 25, 2018 10:55:23 GMT -8
LMAO... like your opinion on what is worst or what you expect really matters???! Get off the high horse... if it was handled, it was handled and your opinion really does not matter. In fact your posts lately are as inflammatory as the original uninformed news posts. You need to get off the morale high a bit on this one as you obviously knew ZIP about the incident or that the perp may/was caught. Hence, you also know little else on the topic of how or when it will be "handled". Give it a rest... the "look at me hour" is over. The original accusations; of OSU fans calling USC players “nig***s” and “black bit***s” don’t bother you? They bother me. They need to be addressed. PUBLICLY as OSU is a public institution. And the sooner the better. The clock is ticking. Again you "circle" the content of other posts... no one said it didn't bother them. In fact everyone here says it bothers them a LOT. They obviously were not allegations if the guy(s) were caught. Hence, it is being dealt with... and "NO" the repercussions do not have to be made public, just as most discipline is not unless it results in a criminal arrest. The OSU community is not exempt from the cretins of society... |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 25, 2018 10:59:37 GMT -8
There is no investigation. I'm told that they caught the a*****e at the scene of the crime. Apparently it took a little time for that information to get to Minyon Moore and the OSU administration. I would assume that Minyon took down her tweet after being told that justice was being served. That's how news works in the age of Twitter. It probably took a half-hour to sort it all out, but by then it's story 1 on ESPNW. And you know this how? Just the other day I had friends called and asked if they heard or saw anything. If you are correct then why has there been no statement from OSU? Just curious about your source. |
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