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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 9:14:01 GMT -8
Yes that was an A++ win.
One of the best in the Wayne era just for getting up off the mat and suddenly overcoming a 13 pt deficit after being dominated most of the game.
It also should not be overlooked the beavs had to play through yet another screw job by the officials. It wasn't just these call it was all game but these were the low lights:
3 bogus calls that tried to give the game to the huskies:
1. First overtime: charging call on E Thompson, driving the lane and swerving away from the rim to avoid contact with the fusky who was moving laterally to block his path. Ok that call was very questionable, even the announcers said it was bs but then very next play..
2. Drew Eubanks against Noah Dickerson. Dickerson is backing him down on the dribble. Drew is moving backwards, which causes Dickerson to slipp and fall down. BLOCKING FOUL??
3. 1 minute later still in the first overtime. Fuskies throw the ball in to Dickerson but he doesnt catch the ball cleanly because he is swarmed by 3 beaver players, at least two of which have their hands on the ball. Jump Ball? Nope, foul beavs.
I am not even going to review the non calls when Tres drew contact and made the shot but Wayne got so pissed at one of those i thought he was going to tear his shirt off.
The box score shows the foul disparity of 19 beav fouls to 15 by the huskies but that doesnt begin to tell the tale.
I hope there is some official protest with the league office. This is beyond inept and has now become a question of bias. Whether that's bias against oregon state for some reason (doubtful but who knows) or against the spoiler team trying to knock a pac 12 team out of the NCAA tourney bubble (more likely) any way you cut it somebody in the AD needs to be asking questions.
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Post by gnawitall on Feb 11, 2018 9:35:55 GMT -8
The box score shows the foul disparity of 19 beav fouls to 15 by the huskies but that doesnt begin to tell the tale. I wouldn't call that a disparity. But, I remember Robinson being frustrated with the lack of equality.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 11, 2018 9:42:11 GMT -8
The box score shows the foul disparity of 19 beav fouls to 15 by the huskies but that doesnt begin to tell the tale. I wouldn't call that a disparity. But, I remember Robinson being frustrated with the lack of equality. Eddie Payne too. In no uncertain terms.
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Post by beavheart on Feb 11, 2018 11:12:11 GMT -8
I believe we have an image problem. Having spent so much time swirling the bottom of the conference in the major sports has solidified and perpetuated OSU as the weak link in the conference. Shedding that reputation will be very difficult. Unfortunately, for reasons beyond me, our own fans reinforce this negative image way too often as we struggle to produce winning programs and Joe fan isn't seeing the improvement they think should be there.
I believe that negative image haunts us constantly as anyone who is remotely paying attention to our conference, including all referees on the known planet, are being fed a negative image of OSU athletics. We need a culture shift.
I think it has been painfully obvious there is a bias against OSU if you take a wide look at how our women's team is being "treated" by officials in and out of our conference. I try to be objective, but I think it's become apparent that we are absolutely not being given the respect that you would expect a three time conference champ would be given. Our competition is routinely being allowed to be extremely physical with us. Even at home. Would that be happening to UCLA or Stanford? I don't think so. But then, those schools have a very different reputation in the minds of the average sports fan. You can't tell me referees are immune to those kinds of bias.
We have a messaging problem. First order of business, our own fans need to stop running down our own school and what our perceived shortcomings are. I see so many OSU fans perpetuating how disadvantaged we are because we aren't, for instance, located in big city, when in many cases that is actually a good thing. Beavs need to stop with the negative pollyanna line of thinking just because we have a rough spell in football or basketball. That kind of thing gets into the minds of everyone, and then we find ourselves getting calls from referees at home games as though we are on the road.
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Post by Tigardbeav on Feb 11, 2018 11:26:59 GMT -8
In comparison to WBB? ehh...The officials in WBB are truly terrible. HS level at best
I expect it so I'm not so upset. But that sequence on one end and then Eubanks on the other end was unreal
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 11, 2018 11:49:57 GMT -8
"It" is a multifaceted issue. There is one overriding factor IMHO... the Pac12 conference itself.
While Larry Scott has done many fine things, the one area that has truly gotten worse is officiating. To me as long as you subcontract officials working in multiple conferences you'll always have inferior officials. There is truly a very limited evaluation process and even less disciplinary avenues. As a few close friends have shared, they've had to work with some of the worst "people" let alone officials. Even they have very limited recourse I assignments/crew choices.
Larry and the Pac12 office like to portray the "Conference of Champions", but have allowed very mediocre to terrible performances in this area with little effort to improve.
Behind close doors officials themselves have tried to get a Pac12 crew type pool... but, thete is a shortage of interest with the scheduling all over the map and travel. There was a move for part to be multiple sport certified to get a solid base of officials to the supplement to.
Bottom line, finding officials is tough at every level... finding quality even harder... finding those that also love the job and the game enough to show integrity seems almost impossible.
However, it doesn't mean the Pac12 can just look the other way. We may have lots of "titles", but one of them is the worst officiated major/P5 Conference.
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Post by gowenbeavs on Feb 11, 2018 11:56:05 GMT -8
It appeared to me that one ref had beef with our Beavs and another ref had beef with the fusckys and the third ref called a clean game. The fuscky whistle just happened to be louder.
GO BEAVS - Great win and fun to watch
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Post by hawksea on Feb 11, 2018 13:50:51 GMT -8
The refs were awful, but so was our free throw shooting. Besides Tres, everyone on our team is terrible at it. It seems like we have been terrible at shooting FT for years, including under Robinson. Have both coaches deemphasized FT in practice? The Thompson brothers should be able to make FT as coaches sons and as shooters, but they both are mediocre at it as well. I'm not sure if it's a lack of focus or what, but that has been the most frustrating thing for me. When they are 1-6 at one point and 8-16 overall (.711 on the season, propped up by Tres), that is embarrassingly terrible. I've never played anywhere near the level of college basketball (intramurals is the highest level for me) but I would think someone who works that hard on their game should at least hit 80% or 90% of the free throws.
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Post by beavheart on Feb 11, 2018 14:45:23 GMT -8
In comparison to WBB? ehh...The officials in WBB are truly terrible. HS level at best I expect it so I'm not so upset. But that sequence on one end and then Eubanks on the other end was unreal [be Agree. Women's officiating is HS level most of the time. I brought it up because when you start to see the same thing over several sports it stops being a coincidence and starts becoming a trend.
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Post by obf on Feb 12, 2018 9:50:08 GMT -8
"It" is a multifaceted issue. There is one overriding factor IMHO... the Pac12 conference itself. While Larry Scott has done many fine things...ReallY? IMHO, the Larry Scott era has just been one CF after another... Terrible TV Network going nowhere, can't get on DirectTV, Can't figure out officiating, has done nothing to improve our national presence or somehow combat the fact that we are slowly slipping from a P5 conference into a G5 conference. SEC is backed by ESPN, sure... but they are running laps around Scott and the Pac-12... We need a new comish! As far as officiating goes, I want to be able to cry foul, but I also don't know what the solution is... Seems like the NFL and NBA refs aren't all that much better. I agree the officiating has been terrible this year, but it is par for the course and every fan forum says the same thing after every loss...
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 12, 2018 11:09:14 GMT -8
"It" is a multifaceted issue. There is one overriding factor IMHO... the Pac12 conference itself. While Larry Scott has done many fine things...ReallY? IMHO, the Larry Scott era has just been one CF after another... Terrible TV Network going nowhere, can't get on DirectTV, Can't figure out officiating, has done nothing to improve our national presence or somehow combat the fact that we are slowly slipping from a P5 conference into a G5 conference. SEC is backed by ESPN, sure... but they are running laps around Scott and the Pac-12... We need a new comish! As far as officiating goes, I want to be able to cry foul, but I also don't know what the solution is... Seems like the NFL and NBA refs aren't all that much better. I agree the officiating has been terrible this year, but it is par for the course and every fan forum says the same thing after every loss... Lol... you seem to forget, rather quickly, what the Pac10/12 commish and league were like before Scott. He's not perfect, but the Pac12 is light years better in every way than pre - Scott. It's not even a debate. Comparing the Pac12 to the SEC is luducris. They have a proven money maker in the largest revenue sport, dominate recruiting in football and baseball... tops or close in several other sports. And, since you and I aren't involved I'm guessing TV negotiations are not in the Pac12's hands as far as having much pull. For most of the country we're an "after hours" sports league. Again... take a peek back at our former commish and his "great" work. You'll realize Scott has done very well coming from where this league was.
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Post by joeavocado on Feb 12, 2018 11:49:26 GMT -8
It's long past due for a national referee system managed by the NCAA for football and men's basketball, maybe women's too. It doesn't make sense for all these separate conferences to try to manage, evaluate and schedule officials. It's been clear for some time that PAC-12 football officials call more penalties than other conferences, especially related to targeting and celebration penalties.
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Post by maximumbeaver on Feb 12, 2018 18:27:12 GMT -8
The refs were awful, but so was our free throw shooting. Besides Tres, everyone on our team is terrible at it. It seems like we have been terrible at shooting FT for years, including under Robinson. Have both coaches deemphasized FT in practice? The Thompson brothers should be able to make FT as coaches sons and as shooters, but they both are mediocre at it as well. I'm not sure if it's a lack of focus or what, but that has been the most frustrating thing for me. When they are 1-6 at one point and 8-16 overall (.711 on the season, propped up by Tres), that is embarrassingly terrible. I've never played anywhere near the level of college basketball (intramurals is the highest level for me) but I would think someone who works that hard on their game should at least hit 80% or 90% of the free throws. Stevie’s stroke from the FT line changes with every attempt from the line. Good FT shooters don’t change their motion/stroke.
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