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Post by ocbeav on Feb 12, 2016 8:15:33 GMT -8
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Post by beaverstever on Feb 12, 2016 8:54:32 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure winning half of he rest will be enough. Losses at Cal, USC and hole aren't going to move the RPI much.
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Post by jdogge on Feb 12, 2016 10:21:51 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure winning half of he rest will be enough. Losses at Cal, USC and hole aren't going to move the RPI much. Without 2 more conference road wins there's very little chance of a NCAA tournament berth. RPI is only one factor. With losses against both Cal and the $uck$, a home sweep vs. the Washington schools would be mandatory - as well as no worse than a split in LA. That's simply the facts. An 8-10 conference record is highly unlikely to qualify. Especially with only two conference road wins. "simply the facts." In who's universe? That's a fairly officious statement and I was wondering if that is an official policy, written down somewhere, or your opinion? |
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Post by georgevonbeaverstrom on Feb 12, 2016 10:58:46 GMT -8
Cal 15-0 at home 1-8 on the road. 0 conference road wins
USC 14-0 at home 4-5 on the road. 2 conference road wins
Colorado 13-0 at home 5-6 on the road. 2 conference road wins
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Post by jdogge on Feb 12, 2016 12:30:45 GMT -8
Cal 15-0 at home 1-8 on the road. 0 conference road wins USC 14-0 at home 4-5 on the road. 2 conference road wins Colorado 13-0 at home 5-6 on the road. 2 conference road wins $UCK$ (11) 9-3 USC (23) 7-3 Arizona (17) 7-4 Utah 7-5 Colorado 7-5 Washington 7-5 California 6-5 Q: Are any of those teams at .500 or below, in conference? A: No. Are you or have you ever been baseball1111? |
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Post by TheGlove on Feb 12, 2016 13:52:00 GMT -8
ESPN is predicting 7 Pac 12 teams make the big dance this year.
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Post by georgevonbeaverstrom on Feb 12, 2016 14:03:15 GMT -8
Arizona has been in twice in recent years at 8-10 in conference play. That would be at .500 or below. It happens..not saying anything's guaranteed by any means, but it happens. Most recently UConn at 7-9/9th place in Big East.
Just win baby.
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Post by ag87 on Feb 12, 2016 15:07:20 GMT -8
Comparing 2016 to 2015 is the same as comparing the Pac-12 to the Missouri Valley. . . . . Wichita State is likely in and Illinois State, Southern Illinois and Evansville would need to win the conference tournament to make it - even though they are 9-4, 8-5, and 8-5 in conference and 15-11, 19-7, and 19-7 overall, respectively.
While the RPI is not the only metric the NCAA uses it is by far the largest one. With about three minutes of research I see OSU 6-5 against teams in the top 50 of the current RPI. Teams that have noticeably better records are: Oklahoma, Oregon, Kansas, Virginia, Xavier, Miami, Dayton, Kentucky, Michigan State, and Syracuse. That's it. It's another metric the NCAA uses.
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Post by beaver94 on Feb 12, 2016 16:38:04 GMT -8
Comparing 2016 to 2015 is the same as comparing the Pac-12 to the Missouri Valley
Keep telling yourself that if it helps you to get through the night. ESPN isn't the selection committee. Two more road wins and a home sweep are the difference between likely in or not in. I doubt more than 6 Pac-12 teams make it in. OSU is currently 8th and I can guarantee you that 8 teams won't make it in. Of the remaining conference games (4 away and 2 at home) four of the teams are ahead of OSU (three of them on the road, one home) and two behind (one home, one away). Three conference road wins will count for a lot (as opposed to two or one) when weighing all the factors. Only one more road win isn't very likely to get you there. Cal and the $uck$ are the best way to get two more quality conference road wins that will also look good on the resume (both currently undefeated at home). It also helps take the pressure off the LA games as must-wins. Keep telling yourself that if it makes you sleep better at night. I'm pretty sure you're not the committee either. You're the only person here I see making guarantees. Everyone else seems to be making conjecture. |
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Post by TheGlove on Feb 12, 2016 17:36:29 GMT -8
Some were saying the Pac 12 might get 8 or 9 teams in this year. Now some are saying 7. Who really knows besides @beaverfever ?
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 12, 2016 18:17:35 GMT -8
Anyone who spouts they "know" or compare current to past years is totally full of it. At times very little comes down to a team's resume. Year to year the upsets in conference tourneys change the landscape. Late season runs by otherwise bubble teams.
It's why EVERY year there is outrage by multiple teams that are left out. Some with great resumes. Whether the Pac 12 had 6, 7, or 8 (no way this league deserves 9) has a ton to do with outside circumstances.
We do not have the key component in a resume of a bubble team that will "likely" be in... recent history in the dance. It's why the Zonas,UCLAs, UConns get in with losing conference records.
To be honest right now we look the part of the team left out and complains about not getting in. We have a lot of good #s with rpi and wins vs top 50, but not much else. No one else cares about the "nice story" we are... GPII leading us to where Dad did... Or the growth we've shown in 1+ years under WT. We must earn our way in with W's.
We threw away a couple early games... @utah, home vs Stanford... that could have given us some cushion (how would 8-4 look with W @ Utah?). We now have none. A road win helps, but vs a sliding Stanford team really should not have been a huge surprise. The funny thing is people spouting us as a tourney team count that as a big win. If we were a tourney type team would you not have expected it?
The nice SOS, wins vs top 50 get tossed if you can't go 9-9 in a league with no true top 10 team.
Win enough and we'll earn our ticket and not have to hope.
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Post by jdogge on Feb 12, 2016 18:52:21 GMT -8
Anyone who spouts they "know" or compare current to past years is totally full of it. At tines very little comes down to a team's resume.year to year the upsets in conference tourneys change the landscape. Late season runs by otherwise bubble teams. It's why EVERY year there is outrage by multiple teams that are left out. Some with great resumes. Whether the Pac 12 had 6, 7, or 8 (no way this league deserves 9) has a ton to do with outside circumstances. We do not have the key component in a resume of a bubble team that will "likely" be in... recent history in the dance. It's why the Zonas,UCLAs, UConns get in with losing conference records. To be honest right now we look the part of the team left out and complains about not getting in. We have a lot of good #s with rpi and wins vs top 50, but not much else. No one else cares about the "nice story" we are... GPII leading us to where Dad did... Or the growth we've shown in 1+ years under WT. We must earn our way in with W's. We threw away a couple early games... @utah, home vs Stanford... that could have given us some cushion (how would 8-4 look with W @ Utah?). We now have none. A road win helps, but vs a sliding Stanford team really should not have been a huge surprise. The funny thing is people spouting us as a tourney team count that as a big win. If we were a tourney type team would you not have expected it? The nice SOS, wins vs top 50 get tossed if you can't go 9-9 in a league with no true top 10 team. Win enough and we'll earn our ticket and not have to hope. So says the Board's other all-knowing, all-seeing, Messenger of God. |
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Post by jwilly on Feb 12, 2016 19:06:31 GMT -8
You guys got me checking out RPI now. Interesting thing:
Arizona: 1 win vs top 50
Beavs: 6 wins vs top 50, didn't see that coming
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Post by beaverdreams on Feb 12, 2016 20:32:12 GMT -8
Hence why I think a lot of people -our own fans- not people outside the program, strangely, are downgrading our chances. Beavs have a GREAT chance to go dancing....win or lose tomorrow. Sweep WA schools, and sneak one more away on the road, and we're in.....get on board people. Tired of the whiners around here.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 12, 2016 22:56:29 GMT -8
Hence why I think a lot of people -our own fans- not people outside the program, strangely, are downgrading our chances. Beavs have a GREAT chance to go dancing....win or lose tomorrow. Sweep WA schools, and sneak one more away on the road, and we're in.....get on board people. Tired of the whiners around here. So now opinions of others who don't agree with the "great chance" or "7 or 8 or 9 Pac 12 teams will go" theories are whiners? Suppose that is a one way street? |
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