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Post by jrbeavo on Jan 31, 2018 11:43:36 GMT -8
Nice to read this today, and it is hard to not get pumped up for what should be a very promising reason.
However, I am somewhat uncomfortable with the situation with Heimlich. I will state at the outset that I am fully in support of him playing and have no problems with that. I have a pretty close relationship with immediate family members of Jack Anderson and the team's support of Heimlich is overwhelming and unconditional. It is also true that the players found out about everything when we all did..that goes for PC as well.
My problem is that I don't think it is a good idea to just sort of roll him out there on the first Friday as though there is no elephant in the room. I am concerned that is not going to be good for Luke himself, let alone the team.
My feeling is that the situation has to be addressed in some matter...preferably head on with complete candor and honesty. I think if his story is told properly, this issue will fade and eventually become background noise. If it is ignored, the specter of this situation will linger as a distraction and frankly become somewhat nasty potentially.
Again, I am without reservation, supportive of LH, but I think there are steps that need to be taken.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 31, 2018 11:57:51 GMT -8
Nice to read this today, and it is hard to not get pumped up for what should be a very promising reason. However, I am somewhat uncomfortable with the situation with Heimlich. I will state at the outset that I am fully in support of him playing and have no problems with that. I have a pretty close relationship with immediate family members of Jack Anderson and the team's support of Heimlich is overwhelming and unconditional. It is also true that the players found out about everything when we all did..that goes for PC as well. My problem is that I don't think it is a good idea to just sort of roll him out there on the first Friday as though there is no elephant in the room. I am concerned that is not going to be good for Luke himself, let alone the team. My feeling is that the situation has to be addressed in some matter...preferably head on with complete candor and honesty. I think if his story is told properly, this issue will fade and eventually become background noise. If it is ignored, the specter of this situation will linger as a distraction and frankly become somewhat nasty potentially. Again, I am without reservation, supportive of LH, but I think there are steps that need to be taken. The steps were taken... none needed to make it "ok" now. PC will indeed roll him out and give him support and the same high expectations he has for every player. Luke and the team will have a tough (of not improbable) time duplicating last season, but in no way does it mean his situation is the cause. Although some here and in the media will not let it go. If you're in full support you'd trust PC and not think it already hasn't been handled with candor and honesty. |
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Post by MITbeaver on Jan 31, 2018 11:58:13 GMT -8
Please move to the Rotating Tap board. |
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Post by jrbeavo on Jan 31, 2018 14:19:09 GMT -8
Nice to read this today, and it is hard to not get pumped up for what should be a very promising reason. However, I am somewhat uncomfortable with the situation with Heimlich. I will state at the outset that I am fully in support of him playing and have no problems with that. I have a pretty close relationship with immediate family members of Jack Anderson and the team's support of Heimlich is overwhelming and unconditional. It is also true that the players found out about everything when we all did..that goes for PC as well. My problem is that I don't think it is a good idea to just sort of roll him out there on the first Friday as though there is no elephant in the room. I am concerned that is not going to be good for Luke himself, let alone the team. My feeling is that the situation has to be addressed in some matter...preferably head on with complete candor and honesty. I think if his story is told properly, this issue will fade and eventually become background noise. If it is ignored, the specter of this situation will linger as a distraction and frankly become somewhat nasty potentially. Again, I am without reservation, supportive of LH, but I think there are steps that need to be taken. The steps were taken... none needed to make it "ok" now. PC will indeed roll him out and give him support and the same high expectations he has for every player. Luke and the team will have a tough (of not improbable) time duplicating last season, but in no way does it mean his situation is the cause. Although some here and in the media will not let it go. If you're in full support you'd trust PC and not think it already hasn't been handled with candor and honesty. The situation was handled internally a long time ago, I understand that. But to say that it has been dealt with beyond that is not correct. If you are of the opinion that no further comment needs to be made publicly by Luke or by Casey that is fine...I strongly disagree and I believe I will be proven right. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 31, 2018 14:24:36 GMT -8
My problem is that I don't think it is a good idea to just sort of roll him out there on the first Friday as though there is no elephant in the room. I am concerned that is not going to be good for Luke himself, let alone the team. So which Friday is the best Friday to roll him out there? The 3rd Friday? The 7th Friday? Fan vote? Or should LH and PC decide internally? |
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Post by OSUprof on Jan 31, 2018 14:36:00 GMT -8
This has been fully addressed by Luke and the team. Luke held himself out of the final games of the season possibly costing OSU a national championship. He no longer has a criminal record.
Pat Casey said it best: "he's there to play baseball". There's nothing else to be said or done and you or anyone else is not owed more.
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Post by jrbeavo on Jan 31, 2018 14:53:17 GMT -8
This has been fully addressed by Luke and the team. Luke held himself out of the final games of the season possibly costing OSU a national championship. He no longer has a criminal record. Pat Casey said it best: "he's there to play baseball". There's nothing else to be said or done and you or anyone else is not owed more. It is not a matter of what I feel I'm owed, it is a matter of the practical implications of what forestalling any further discussion of this may mean. I am surprised that people aren't seeing that. |
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Post by kersting13 on Jan 31, 2018 14:56:19 GMT -8
This has been fully addressed by Luke and the team. Luke held himself out of the final games of the season possibly costing OSU a national championship. He no longer has a criminal record. Pat Casey said it best: "he's there to play baseball". There's nothing else to be said or done and you or anyone else is not owed more. It is not a matter of what I feel I'm owed, it is a matter of the practical implications of what forestalling any further discussion of this may mean. I am surprised that people aren't seeing that. What more, exactly, is it that you think needs to be said? |
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Post by badwack on Jan 31, 2018 15:01:12 GMT -8
If I remember correctly this matter was Settled in Aug of this year. Why anyone needs to keep bringing up the subject is beyond me. The young man plays baseball.
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Post by jrbeavo on Jan 31, 2018 15:13:18 GMT -8
If I remember correctly this matter was Settled in Aug of this year. Why anyone needs to keep bringing up the subject is beyond me. The young man plays baseball. What happened in August? If this was settled internally, then why did he not pitch in Omaha? If he took it upon himself to bow out because of distractions or whatever, what has changed since then? Is the passage of time sufficient? If I am Luke, I would want to have an interview and express myself. At some point in his life he is going to have to. I think he is a great young man who may not fully understand what he is getting himself into. This was among the most passionate and polarizing sports issues of the year in the state of Oregon last year. I never wavered in my support for Casey and LH...I just think quite differently about how the baseball team should approach the start of this very special season. |
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Post by messi on Jan 31, 2018 15:35:23 GMT -8
My problem is that I don't think it is a good idea to just sort of roll him out there on the first Friday as though there is no elephant in the room. I am concerned that is not going to be good for Luke himself, let alone the team. So which Friday is the best Friday to roll him out there? The 3rd Friday? The 7th Friday? Fan vote? Or should LH and PC decide internally? The Friday of the Civil War. Payback for Chip Kelly and LeGarrette Blount. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 31, 2018 16:11:33 GMT -8
If I remember correctly this matter was Settled in Aug of this year. Why anyone needs to keep bringing up the subject is beyond me. The young man plays baseball. What happened in August? If I am Luke, I would want to have an interview and express myself. His record was expunged in August, after a successful 5-year probation period. You are not Luke. So I guess he will continue to do what he and his advisors feel is best for himself. |
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Post by joecool on Jan 31, 2018 16:11:54 GMT -8
Not too many positions are even open going into this year. It will be interesting to see how 1B plays out. Also how Nobach fits in.
The starting rotation should be Heimlich and Fehmel, big battle for the 3rd and midweek position. With 8 games the first couple of weeks, 4 starters will be necessary.
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 31, 2018 16:53:14 GMT -8
What happened in August? If I am Luke, I would want to have an interview and express myself. His record was expunged in August, after a successful 5-year probation period. You are not Luke. So I guess he will continue to do what he and his advisors feel is best for himself. I've followed this at a bit of a distance - but was aware that come August 2017 he would be eligible for an expunged record. If his record was in fact expunged, imho END of discussion. Can you provide any more details to back up your statement that the record was expunged. Thanks. |
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Post by thewizard on Feb 1, 2018 7:24:19 GMT -8
His record was expunged in August, after a successful 5-year probation period. You are not Luke. So I guess he will continue to do what he and his advisors feel is best for himself. I've followed this at a bit of a distance - but was aware that come August 2017 he would be eligible for an expunged record. If his record was in fact expunged, imho END of discussion. Can you provide any more details to back up your statement that the record was expunged. Thanks. It was stated in one of the articles last year that because of the level of his action was given, the State of Washington had a 5 year limit of that being on his record. |
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