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Post by needmorebeav on Jan 27, 2018 17:47:07 GMT -8
The highlight of the night for me was the standing ovation Luke Heimlich received when he introduced the pitchers. Going to be some tough times on the road for him this year but he'll have tons of support at home.
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Post by orangeblood on Jan 28, 2018 20:13:04 GMT -8
And I, for one, intend to do the same at a little past 1pm on February 16 in Surprise.
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Post by 02beav on Jan 29, 2018 9:26:50 GMT -8
I have no problem with Luke coming back and pitching. Whatever happened was a long time ago, he was a minor and the punishment was determined by the law.
But,why the standing ovation? Just seems weird and over the top.
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Jan 29, 2018 12:04:13 GMT -8
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 29, 2018 12:04:13 GMT -8
I have no problem with Luke coming back and pitching. Whatever happened was a long time ago, he was a minor and the punishment was determined by the law. But,why the standing ovation? Just seems weird and over the top. I'm guessing it's about the public "trial" and crap he and family went thru... and that he stuck it out and returns to OSU despite how many felt/posted/wrote about. The other part might be we have a returning ace 😁 |
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Jan 29, 2018 12:10:29 GMT -8
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 29, 2018 12:10:29 GMT -8
I have no problem with Luke coming back and pitching. Whatever happened was a long time ago, he was a minor and the punishment was determined by the law. But,why the standing ovation? Just seems weird and over the top. I generally agree with this. Luke dealt with something in his past. But it was something that he 100% did to himself. This is not a case of a player overcoming poverty or an injury. This is a player overcoming the bad choices that he made in the past. The University and its fans should not go out of our way to support Heimlich. He is not and has never been the victim. And treating him as the victim, when he is the one that ruined his own life and the life of another paints our fan-base in a very unflattering light. I expect that the fans of the team are better than that. If you want a hero on the 2018 team, you probably have 34+ more deserving choices. Ultimately, Heimlich is an Oregon State Beaver, though, and I will support him as a Beaver, although probably less than each and every other member of the team. |
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 29, 2018 12:27:41 GMT -8
I have no problem with Luke coming back and pitching. Whatever happened was a long time ago, he was a minor and the punishment was determined by the law. But,why the standing ovation? Just seems weird and over the top. And treating him as the victim, I'd argue he was/is a victim of negligence by the Benton Co Sheriff or CPD, which ever one effed up and of muckraking journalists at the Oregonian. |
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Post by orangeblood on Jan 29, 2018 15:42:26 GMT -8
standing ovation because: All things may not be as they appear to be
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Jan 29, 2018 16:02:36 GMT -8
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 29, 2018 16:02:36 GMT -8
And treating him as the victim, I'd argue he was/is a victim of negligence by the Benton Co Sheriff or CPD, which ever one effed up and of muckraking journalists at the Oregonian. Few journalists deserve that title in today's day and age. But you have to be a grade A moron to talk to one, if you know you have skeletons the size of a small country in your closet. "Coach, y'know, I would feel more comfortable if the Oregonian highlighted one of our other pitchers." How hard is that? Everyone jumps on FCGA for texting Conzano (and for good reason!), but everyone wants to give Heimlich a pass. If it was dumb for FCGA to talk to the press, it was mind-numbingly stupid for Heimlich to do the same. I believe that a Benton County Sheriff's sergeant screwed up initially. (Police are human. They make mistakes on occasion.) However, I personally wonder why it would still be on Heimlich's record for the Oregonian to stumble across. I do not profess to know the ins and outs, but it sounds to me like Heimlich's lawyer should have cleaned that up and gotten it expunged. Whose fault is that? The lawyer's? Probably. But did Heimlich hire a tough-as-nails criminal lawyer? Or did he hire a family friend? Or some bargain basement attorney off of a billboard? A lot of people are penny wise, dollar foolish, when it comes to attorneys. Heimlich may have thrown away a lot of money to save a couple of bucks on an attorney. I also want to highlight another issue that people seem to want to gloss over. And that is, why the heck did he choose to attend college at Oregon State? Florida and Oregon annually vie for harshest laws for minors, who have prior adjudications/convictions. So, who sold him on the idea that someone with his background should attend Oregon State? The point of all of this is Heimlich made some bad decisions in his past. These bad decisions were compounded by multiple subsequent bad decisions. And denigrating a sheriff for wanting to keep sex offenders off the streets of beautiful Benton County, Oregon, is flatly beyond the pale! In the same city that poor Brooke Wilberger was kidnapped, raped, and murdered, you are going to fault the Benton County Sheriff's Office, trying to make sure that something like that does not happen again? Ugh. I hate, HATE what Heimlich did. Selfish. Stupid. Vile. Awful. Sick. Twisted. Depraved. People that applaud Heimlich applaud someone, who once ruined another person's life for his own personal benefit. I think less of anyone who applauds Heimlich simply for him being Heimlich. I think less of anyone who applauds those people on this site.  |
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Jan 29, 2018 16:03:48 GMT -8
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 29, 2018 16:03:48 GMT -8
standing ovation because: All things may not be as they appear to be Then, what are those things? Please do tell. Until then, this subject infuriates me! |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 29, 2018 16:48:33 GMT -8
standing ovation because: All things may not be as they appear to be Then, what are those things? Please do tell. Until then, this subject infuriates me! Like it won't after?? |
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Jan 29, 2018 17:13:49 GMT -8
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 29, 2018 17:13:49 GMT -8
Then, what are those things? Please do tell. Until then, this subject infuriates me! Like it won't after?? It might after. If it is not that bad, come out and say that. If someone knows something that makes this better, let's hear it. We all know people. No one that I know knows anything, though. The problem is that everyone, even the people at the school and on the team, are still in lock-down mode, which implies that, as bad as it is, it is probably worse than that. Yokels applauding Heimlich at a dinner for him "overcoming" his own multiple-fold stupid actions........man. I always assumed that Oregon State fans were better than that, but I may have deluded myself. I want us to be better than that. Much better. I will keep saying it. We, as fans, need to keep the game in perspective. If people are excoriating Heimlich in the press, that is a damned small price to pay, if you ask me for what he did. Heimlich did wrong. He chose to do things that no one ever should do, that no one at any age should think is right. He made stupid decisions thereafter. He should not be rewarded for that. We should not celebrate him for it. If he has a right to play, let's watch him play. If he does well, let's congratulate him. But to give him a standing O for making bad decisions and then quitting on the team, when his playing could have been the difference? Man, that just does not sit right with me. If you are going to come back and play in 2018, you should have been playing in Omaha. Another bad decision. Clap, clap, clap. |
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Jan 29, 2018 18:08:30 GMT -8
Post by orangeblood on Jan 29, 2018 18:08:30 GMT -8
And that is exactly why I said what I did about a standing ovation. What I presume to know was told to me in confidence, so I don't feel appropriate to repeat it. You have the right to believe what you will .... and so do I.
(this was in response to an above post by "Hawksea" that has been since deleted)
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Jan 29, 2018 18:25:19 GMT -8
Post by hawksea on Jan 29, 2018 18:25:19 GMT -8
And that is exactly why I said what I did about a standing ovation. What I presume to know was told to me in confidence, so I don't feel appropriate to repeat it. You have the right to believe what you will .... and so do I. Good point. I deleted it, because it probably isn't right for me to repeat it as well. |
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Jan 29, 2018 18:58:40 GMT -8
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 29, 2018 18:58:40 GMT -8
I'd argue he was/is a victim of negligence by the Benton Co Sheriff or CPD, which ever one effed up and of muckraking journalists at the Oregonian. Few journalists deserve that title in today's day and age. But you have to be a grade A moron to talk to one, if you know you have skeletons the size of a small country in your closet. "Coach, y'know, I would feel more comfortable if the Oregonian highlighted one of our other pitchers." How hard is that? Everyone jumps on FCGA for texting Conzano (and for good reason!), but everyone wants to give Heimlich a pass. If it was dumb for FCGA to talk to the press, it was mind-numbingly stupid for Heimlich to do the same. I believe that a Benton County Sheriff's sergeant screwed up initially. (Police are human. They make mistakes on occasion.) However, I personally wonder why it would still be on Heimlich's record for the Oregonian to stumble across. I do not profess to know the ins and outs, but it sounds to me like Heimlich's lawyer should have cleaned that up and gotten it expunged. Whose fault is that? The lawyer's? Probably. But did Heimlich hire a tough-as-nails criminal lawyer? Or did he hire a family friend? Or some bargain basement attorney off of a billboard? A lot of people are penny wise, dollar foolish, when it comes to attorneys. Heimlich may have thrown away a lot of money to save a couple of bucks on an attorney. I also want to highlight another issue that people seem to want to gloss over. And that is, why the heck did he choose to attend college at Oregon State? Florida and Oregon annually vie for harshest laws for minors, who have prior adjudications/convictions. So, who sold him on the idea that someone with his background should attend Oregon State? The point of all of this is Heimlich made some bad decisions in his past. These bad decisions were compounded by multiple subsequent bad decisions. And denigrating a sheriff for wanting to keep sex offenders off the streets of beautiful Benton County, Oregon, is flatly beyond the pale! In the same city that poor Brooke Wilberger was kidnapped, raped, and murdered, you are going to fault the Benton County Sheriff's Office, trying to make sure that something like that does not happen again? Ugh. I hate, HATE what Heimlich did. Selfish. Stupid. Vile. Awful. Sick. Twisted. Depraved. People that applaud Heimlich applaud someone, who once ruined another person's life for his own personal benefit. I think less of anyone who applauds Heimlich simply for him being Heimlich. I think less of anyone who applauds those people on this site. So much revisionist history. Besides all that, by law he’s not a sex offender. |
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Jan 29, 2018 21:29:53 GMT -8
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 29, 2018 21:29:53 GMT -8
Few journalists deserve that title in today's day and age. But you have to be a grade A moron to talk to one, if you know you have skeletons the size of a small country in your closet. "Coach, y'know, I would feel more comfortable if the Oregonian highlighted one of our other pitchers." How hard is that? Everyone jumps on FCGA for texting Conzano (and for good reason!), but everyone wants to give Heimlich a pass. If it was dumb for FCGA to talk to the press, it was mind-numbingly stupid for Heimlich to do the same. I believe that a Benton County Sheriff's sergeant screwed up initially. (Police are human. They make mistakes on occasion.) However, I personally wonder why it would still be on Heimlich's record for the Oregonian to stumble across. I do not profess to know the ins and outs, but it sounds to me like Heimlich's lawyer should have cleaned that up and gotten it expunged. Whose fault is that? The lawyer's? Probably. But did Heimlich hire a tough-as-nails criminal lawyer? Or did he hire a family friend? Or some bargain basement attorney off of a billboard? A lot of people are penny wise, dollar foolish, when it comes to attorneys. Heimlich may have thrown away a lot of money to save a couple of bucks on an attorney. I also want to highlight another issue that people seem to want to gloss over. And that is, why the heck did he choose to attend college at Oregon State? Florida and Oregon annually vie for harshest laws for minors, who have prior adjudications/convictions. So, who sold him on the idea that someone with his background should attend Oregon State? The point of all of this is Heimlich made some bad decisions in his past. These bad decisions were compounded by multiple subsequent bad decisions. And denigrating a sheriff for wanting to keep sex offenders off the streets of beautiful Benton County, Oregon, is flatly beyond the pale! In the same city that poor Brooke Wilberger was kidnapped, raped, and murdered, you are going to fault the Benton County Sheriff's Office, trying to make sure that something like that does not happen again? Ugh. I hate, HATE what Heimlich did. Selfish. Stupid. Vile. Awful. Sick. Twisted. Depraved. People that applaud Heimlich applaud someone, who once ruined another person's life for his own personal benefit. I think less of anyone who applauds Heimlich simply for him being Heimlich. I think less of anyone who applauds those people on this site. So much revisionist history. Besides all that, by law he’s not a sex offender. By the laws of both the sovereign States of Oregon and Washington, Luke Heimlich was a "sex offender" and a "registered sex offender" at least up until August of last year. One should remember that Luke had to put the counties that he traveled through on notice that he was a registered sex offender before he was allowed to travel with the team. I personally do not know, if Luke is still a "sex offender." Glove, brother, what exactly am I revising? The term "revisionist history" usually involves taking a hero and making him or her a villain or vice versa. Am I doing that here? Is Luke Heimlich a hero? Or did I take a villain, like a Benton County Sheriff sergeant and make him a hero? Is the Benton County Sheriff sergeant a villain? Or did I take the now deceased Brooke Wilberger and make her a hero? Was Brooke a villain? I would like to believe that I am calling a spade a spade here. I would like to believe that we can all agree that a man that allegedly molested a four-year-old family member over a two-year period is without question a villain. I would like to believe that we can all agree that yokels that choose to celebrate a one-time sex offender, because he is a one-time sex offender, should receive condemnation and not praise. I would like to believe that. And this is not to say that an individual, who once did villainous things, cannot become a hero. However, I have not heard how that has occurred here. I want Heimlich to go on to do great things that help people. I want him to make all of this worth it. But I fail to see how giving him a pass, because it says "Oregon State" on his jersey accomplishes anything other than make that jersey mean that much less in my eyes and the eyes of everyone that Oregon State plays. Earn this, Luke! Make all of this right! Earn it! Go Beavs! |
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