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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 12, 2016 15:46:17 GMT -8
I would think contact would have to be made.
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Post by beaverintheberg on Feb 12, 2016 16:05:47 GMT -8
Annnd... that's not a foul. Yes it is. Anytime anyone behind you reaches up and over you, and interfere with you going up for a rebound...that's a foul. No, it is not. Being taller and/or jumping higher is NOT a foul. But it is funny to hear fans call for it
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Post by TheGlove on Feb 12, 2016 16:46:02 GMT -8
this doesn't describe a foul. Yes it is. If they reach up over you while you're going up for the ball, that's a foul. Any day, any league, anytime. Source?
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Apr 7, 2016 19:59:53 GMT -8
Yes it is. Anytime anyone behind you reaches up and over you, and interfere with you going up for a rebound...that's a foul. No, it is not. Being taller and/or jumping higher is NOT a foul. But it is funny to hear fans call for it If you impede the player in front of you from being able to go up for the same ball...yes that's a foul. Every day of the week.
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Post by ronatemg on Apr 8, 2016 18:20:40 GMT -8
The term 'over the back' does not exist in any rule book (NFHS, NCAA). There is no over the back foul. I challenge anyone to find said term in a rule book (probably right next to the term 'reach in' foul which also doesn't exist).
A taller player can indeed reach over someone to get the ball in a rebounding situation and that's not a foul provided there is no advantageous contact.
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Post by beaver12345 on Apr 8, 2016 22:51:58 GMT -8
I think some of the issue here is communication. Some people are making similar arguments but worded differently and some people are arguing it seems like about different things so Im going to try and break it down a little because some people have it right i just don't think its 100% clear.
I want to establish my credibility for you guys real quick. My father and uncle have both been referees in the NW for 30+ years always handleing the highest level of high school basketball so for oregon it would be mostly 6a. I myself am younger obviously but i have been a ref for 3 years now. My brother in law is a high school AD and both my grandparents think the Beavers walk on water and that we get fouled every play or held in football every play or the ump cheats us on balls and strikes every game we lose. You guys know the fans Im talking about. We love them because they are Beavers but they treat osu like their son and their the patent who's soon dud something wrong infront of 50 witnesses but they will defend him to the grave saying he didn't do it. When you are raised in a family like this that debates sports every second of everyday and a rule book is brought out at least 3 times a year to win a argument.
Here are the facts:
1. There is no term in the rule book called " over the back". ..... no if ands or buts about it. A couple years ago this had to be settled by a Christmas eve rule book check. The issue we run into is over the back is a term fans and even players and coaches use all the time. I have stopped interpreting what they are saying as then saying over the back is a foul and now look at it as they are just expressing the other player reached over the guy and now I need to determine a few things before i know if a foul occurred or not but i can promise if one did I won't be calling it over the back to the score table.
Remember these couple points and it will help: • everyone had a equal right to the ball so just because someone is boxing you out it does not mean they have a Shoreview right to be protected by you.
• there are 2 types of contact that can Happen. One is a foul and one is not. If both players reach in the air for the ball and there arms link and make contact does not matter who is located where that's not a foul since they both have a right to that ball. Heres where we start to understand. Now if the player positioned behind the other players leans on him or gets his head smashed by the guys arm that's a foul. To me the key thing to see is chest to back . How much space is between and if they are touching is the player in the putting significant pressure on the guys shoulders and back in front of him.
• if a man is a foot taller then the guy boxing him out and grabs the rebound right over the top of him but creates not contact or advantage to the ball then that is a clean play.
• fouls are around to keep the game fair so when looking at somethibg a good think to ask yourself is did the guy do something to give himself a advantage over the other player by creating contact. ... contact is key if they both go for the ball incedental contact may happen by a PG bringing the bask up has the ball is his possession so if the defender goes for the ball and creats contact tats a foul because it was not lose ball like a rebound is.
Sorry guys i had to do this from my phone so expect typos. I hope this cleared somestuff up. If fans changed the term from over the back to life climbed up the guys back i think it would help not make it so confusing because over the back doesn't express contact it just expresses going over someone so it does not even imply a foul. So you can understand why some vetran refs get snappy about the lingo but it is what it is.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 10, 2016 4:53:51 GMT -8
#16 on that list pretty much puts the argument to rest.
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Post by gzrbvr on Apr 10, 2016 9:51:06 GMT -8
It is mostly Kabuki anyway. Steps, palming the ball, charging into a set player, shooter jumping back into a defender on the way up no matter how good the defensive position is, off arm shiver to chest of a defender on the drive--tough calls, agreed, but modern interpretation "in the interest of increasing scoring" leaves a lot to be desired.
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Post by jdogge on Apr 10, 2016 9:54:51 GMT -8
#16 on that list pretty much puts the argument to rest. On this Board?
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Post by beaver94 on Apr 10, 2016 9:58:30 GMT -8
It is mostly Kabuki anyway. Steps, palming the ball, charging into a set player, shooter jumping back into a defender on the way up no matter how good the defensive position is, off arm shiver to chest of a defender on the drive--tough calls, agreed, but modern interpretation "in the interest of increasing scoring" leaves a lot to be desired. Shooters jumping into the defender is the worst. I can't stand that. I guess it's "smart" basketball, but I hate watching guys like James Hardin and Westbrook play. Very good players but half there game seems to be trying to draw fouls.
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Post by TheGlove on Apr 10, 2016 11:42:56 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 10, 2016 14:33:31 GMT -8
Every day of the week?
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