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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 20, 2018 14:27:10 GMT -8
Not sure but that late 10 second call seemed quick to me. Should be easy to check against the game clock.
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 20, 2018 15:18:43 GMT -8
Sorry, didn’t record it but I was very closely focused and watching the timer as Taya crossed center line. It really ticked off Rueck (at refs...not team). I’d swear it was somewhere between 9.995 and 10.001. At any rate it was a very chicken sh*t by the ref. They could have at least gone to sideline and reviewed.
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Post by dK on Jan 20, 2018 15:34:57 GMT -8
Not sure but that late 10 second call seemed quick to me. Should be easy to check against the game clock. I just looked. In my opinion the ball passed half court at 9 seconds. Fortunately the t seats didn't score on the turnover. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 20, 2018 15:35:43 GMT -8
She was easily in front court when the clock hit 20. According to the rule, you have 10 seconds to get the ball into front court. If the count starts at 30.00 and goes to 29 to 28 to 27 to 26 to 25 to 24 to 23 to 22 to 21 to 20, she's good until it his 19.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 15:47:53 GMT -8
She was easily in front court when the clock hit 20. According to the rule, you have 10 seconds to get the ball into front court. If the count starts at 30.00 and goes to 29 to 28 to 27 to 26 to 25 to 24 to 23 to 22 to 21 to 20, she's good until it his 19. I froze the video while the clock was reading "20" and Taya was still on the wrong side of the half-court line. We definitely didn't get it across in time. And we don't have until it hits "19" if the clock doesn't click from "30" to "29" until 1 second has elapsed. From Wikipedia: Generally, the 10-second (or 8-second) count is independent from the shot clock's operation; in fact, a referee may count the 8 or 10 seconds through a visible motion of his hand or arm. Women's college basketball introduced the 10-second limit in 2013–2014, and provided that officials will not count the ten seconds but "will use the shot clock to determine if a 10-second violation has occurred." As a general reference, it refers to the shot clock reaching 15 (FIBA/[W]NBA; because the NBA shot clock registers tenths in the final five seconds, the violation occurs once the clock registers 15.9 seconds on the console, which is posted as 15 on the clock) or 20 (college) before a violation can be called.[24] Here's a relevant discussion from a Duke board: I agree that if the clock were exactly 25.0 when Kyle caught the ball, that would be a violation (assuming the clock starts at exactly 35.0 when the inbounds is caught).
However, I don't follow your argument that the clock actually says 24 when it says 25. Wouldn't any time between 25.00 and 25.99 show as 25?
When the clock displays 25 for 1 full second, it's measuring the time between 24.01 and 24.99. So the point at which the shot clock displays 25, a full 10 seconds have elapsed (and possibly up to 10.99 seconds have passed). Assuming the shot clock starts at 35 when the ball is first touched in bounds, 1 second has elapsed when the shot clock turns 34, 2 seconds have elapsed when the shot clock displays 33 etc...
Your assumption would be true if time was being counted up (rather than being counted down) |
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Post by gnawitall on Jan 20, 2018 16:54:35 GMT -8
She was easily in front court when the clock hit 20. According to the rule, you have 10 seconds to get the ball into front court. If the count starts at 30.00 and goes to 29 to 28 to 27 to 26 to 25 to 24 to 23 to 22 to 21 to 20, she's good until it his 19. I froze the video while the clock was reading "20" and Taya was still on the wrong side of the half-court line. We definitely didn't get it across in time. And we don't have until it hits "19" if the clock doesn't click from "30" to "29" until 1 second has elapsed. From Wikipedia: Generally, the 10-second (or 8-second) count is independent from the shot clock's operation; in fact, a referee may count the 8 or 10 seconds through a visible motion of his hand or arm. Women's college basketball introduced the 10-second limit in 2013–2014, and provided that officials will not count the ten seconds but "will use the shot clock to determine if a 10-second violation has occurred." As a general reference, it refers to the shot clock reaching 15 (FIBA/[W]NBA; because the NBA shot clock registers tenths in the final five seconds, the violation occurs once the clock registers 15.9 seconds on the console, which is posted as 15 on the clock) or 20 (college) before a violation can be called.[24] Here's a relevant discussion from a Duke board: I agree that if the clock were exactly 25.0 when Kyle caught the ball, that would be a violation (assuming the clock starts at exactly 35.0 when the inbounds is caught).
However, I don't follow your argument that the clock actually says 24 when it says 25. Wouldn't any time between 25.00 and 25.99 show as 25?
When the clock displays 25 for 1 full second, it's measuring the time between 24.01 and 24.99. So the point at which the shot clock displays 25, a full 10 seconds have elapsed (and possibly up to 10.99 seconds have passed). Assuming the shot clock starts at 35 when the ball is first touched in bounds, 1 second has elapsed when the shot clock turns 34, 2 seconds have elapsed when the shot clock displays 33 etc...
Your assumption would be true if time was being counted up (rather than being counted down) I did the count on my fingers, haaa, and concluded that in the Duke example when the clock hits 24.9 blow the whistle. Good luck with that. I've always preached that if your performance brings officials into the frey, whether it be a tight score or 'seconds up' than you have to live with the call. In other words, do yourself a favor and get the damn ball over the line in plenty of time. |
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