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Post by beaverstever on Jan 16, 2018 21:35:03 GMT -8
So a lost weekend in the Desert hurt on a lot of fronts, including our best chance to make a dent in our RPI deficit. However, the performance should leave the team with a belief they can win anywhere left on their schedule... how do you think it will play out?
For me, this is what I realistically expect (far from what I'd hope for):
- vs UCLA: W
I like this matchup at Gill
- vs USC: L
I'm afraid we'll be tempted to run with them, which won't go well
- @ oregon: L
We're getting into the part of the season where Altman doesn't lose games, especially in Eugene and them looking for vengence.
- @ Stanford: W
It's a struggle, but our first road win in conf
- @cal: W
Cal's struggled continue, alother comfortable win
- vs. Wazzu: W
Confonrtable win and building momentum
- @uw: W
UW's erratic play is the better version on this particular night, but we still get it done
- @ucla: L
Another tough, close road loss
- @usc: L
This one not as close
- vs. UA: W
We find our vengence at Gill
- vs. ASU: W
ASUs unranked and struggling now
- @ UW: L
Play poorly there
- @wsu: W
Play better to get another road W
Finish 10-8 in conference, good enough for an NIT bid after going 1:1 in the conference tourney.
This team has the ability to win every game left on the schedule. Can they play consistently enough to go 10-3+ in the remaining games? Would love to see it.
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Post by bill82 on Jan 17, 2018 8:07:33 GMT -8
Possible. I worry about the health of this team during the second half given the minutes 4 of 5 starters are enduring. I'd like to see minutes in the low 30's for starters. Otherwise we hold our breath.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 17, 2018 8:09:55 GMT -8
Possible. I worry about the health of this team during the second half given the minutes 4 of 5 starters are enduring. I'd like to see minutes in the low 30's for starters. Otherwise we hold our breath. I worry about health too. I agree with the criticism of WT on the minutes front. It is sacrificing your long term future for short term gain. Tinkle is prioritizing winning now after last year. I don't necessarily blame him, but if we lose Tres or Stevie, or Eubanks, we are probably toast. With that said, we hang with anybody in the conference. We should expect a .500 or better conference record. I think anything less is a disappointment. |
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Post by lefty on Jan 17, 2018 9:15:26 GMT -8
Not much to lose! I wouldn't be surprise to see one or more to announce they are making themselves draftable.
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Post by touchdownbeavers on Jan 17, 2018 12:44:34 GMT -8
Read an article an ( I guess in today's Oregonian) something I hadn't realized. Oregon State has led in the 2nd half of all their losses this year, and that includes the non conference schedule. Tinkle also heaped some huge praise on Drew Eubanks, and acknowledges that sometimes the perimeter defense has been playing some ole defense because they know Drew is behind them. He wants to get that situation cleaned up. It doesn't take a basketball genius to know which players he is talking about. Dang near all of them. Updated College Prediction link |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 17, 2018 13:15:42 GMT -8
Read an article an article ( I guess in today's Oregonian) something I hadn't realized. Oregon State has led in the 2nd half of all their losses this year, and that includes the non conference schedule. Tinkel also heaped some huge praise on Drew Eubanks, and acknowledges that sometimes the perimeter defense has been playing some ole defense because they know Drew is behind them. He wants to get that situation cleaned up. It doesn't take a basketball genius to know which players he is talking about. Dang near all of them. Hmmmm... losing games in the 2nd half, even to inferior talent at times, how could that happen? Maybe the lack of energy, focus, and discipline that accompanies exhaustion! |
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Post by beaver94 on Jan 17, 2018 13:38:38 GMT -8
Read an article an article ( I guess in today's Oregonian) something I hadn't realized. Oregon State has led in the 2nd half of all their losses this year, and that includes the non conference schedule. Tinkel also heaped some huge praise on Drew Eubanks, and acknowledges that sometimes the perimeter defense has been playing some ole defense because they know Drew is behind them. He wants to get that situation cleaned up. It doesn't take a basketball genius to know which players he is talking about. Dang near all of them. Hmmmm... losing games in the 2nd half, even to inferior talent at times, how could that happen? Maybe the lack of energy, focus, and discipline that accompanies exhaustion! I'm not disagreeing because I think Tinkle should get a few more minutes for some of the bench players each game. But, when I look at the stats the Beaver players are right there with a lot of other players on other teams in minutes played per game. Tres and Stevie where close to the top of the list, and should probably get a few more minutes of rest. Is it exhaustion or is it just that this team really hasn't learned how to close out and finish a game against a tough opponent on the road yet? |
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Post by mbabeav on Jan 17, 2018 13:40:06 GMT -8
Who do you give more minutes to? Hoping that Kone and Hollis and Stacy keep making strides, they ought to be able to fill in on the front line for more minutes. But Big G is a big drop off from Eubanks, and the Thompson Twins (sorry but finally found a place to use that  ), don't have a lot of backup either, especially since we are trying to grow a point guard in there someplace. |
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Post by beaver94 on Jan 17, 2018 13:48:58 GMT -8
Who do you give more minutes to? Hoping that Kone and Hollis and Stacy keep making strides, they ought to be able to fill in on the front line for more minutes. But Big G is a big drop off from Eubanks, and the Thompson Twins (sorry but finally found a place to use that ), don't have a lot of backup either, especially since we are trying to grow a point guard in there someplace. I think the 4 you mentioned are a good start, plus Manuel. Big G and Manuel have been injured so I know that has limited them to some point. Big G is a different player than Eubanks, and although not as talented, towards the end of last year was playing pretty well. I think he does some things better than Eubanks. I think any of those 5 can provide decent minutes. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 17, 2018 14:11:55 GMT -8
Who do you give more minutes to? Hoping that Kone and Hollis and Stacy keep making strides, they ought to be able to fill in on the front line for more minutes. But Big G is a big drop off from Eubanks, and the Thompson Twins (sorry but finally found a place to use that ), don't have a lot of backup either, especially since we are trying to grow a point guard in there someplace. Any and all of them! Exactly whose responsibility is it to recruit, keep, and develop some kind of bench depth? All of those can give spot minutes especially if you actually coach proactively and use the scheduled timeouts. You can easily stagger substitutions and give 2-3 min rest using the tv timeouts. WT's biggest weakness... and it's not close... he's a "reactive" coach. He is always finding himself trying to counter and has a relatively random substitution pattern. He really doesn't have a clue on the development of a quality bench and giving them the wherewithal to contribute in key situations. His early season "shortening the rotation" was luducris. It not only came at a time to be strengthening player game time play and confidence, but also in a tight window of games on the road. All you have to do is look at OSU's other hoops program to see the night and day difference. SR coaches like a chess match... he has a plan he can adapt if needed, he's developed players to fit roles until they grow, he trusts them to be on the court, and he generally is as proactive as a coach can be. Part of it is the player themselves, but that too falls on the coach that recruited them and has to find a way to reach them. But, Grymek has developed more in half a season than Big G in 2.5 years in WT's program. I thought WT was more on par with that type of coaching/teaching development. So far, not close. |
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Post by babeav on Jan 17, 2018 18:25:26 GMT -8
Seriously....comparing Grymek to Big G development wise? Grymek is a statue whose feet are imbedded in cement....tall but that's all. Big G is a hell of a lot better then when he landed in Corvallis but he is still a work in progress.
Grymek.........what a wasted ride.
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Post by ag87 on Jan 17, 2018 22:52:21 GMT -8
So a lost weekend in the Desert hurt on a lot of fronts, including our best chance to make a dent in our RPI deficit. However, the performance should leave the team with a belief they can win anywhere left on their schedule... how do you think it will play out? For me, this is what I realistically expect (far from what I'd hope for): - vs UCLA: W I like this matchup at Gill - vs USC: L I'm afraid we'll be tempted to run with them, which won't go well - @ oregon: L We're getting into the part of the season where Altman doesn't lose games, especially in Eugene and them looking for vengence. - @ Stanford: W It's a struggle, but our first road win in conf - @cal: W Cal's struggled continue, alother comfortable win - vs. Wazzu: W Confonrtable win and building momentum - @uw: W UW's erratic play is the better version on this particular night, but we still get it done - @ucla: L Another tough, close road loss - @usc: L This one not as close - vs. UA: W We find our vengence at Gill - vs. ASU: W ASUs unranked and struggling now - @ UW: L Play poorly there - @wsu: W Play better to get another road W Finish 10-8 in conference, good enough for an NIT bid after going 1:1 in the conference tourney. This team has the ability to win every game left on the schedule. Can they play consistently enough to go 10-3+ in the remaining games? Would love to see it. First step - beat UCLA!! |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 18, 2018 10:26:46 GMT -8
Grymek is a statue whose feet are imbedded in cement....tall but that's all. Grymek.........what a wasted ride. Many said the same thing about Ruth Hamblin after her first season. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 18, 2018 16:09:08 GMT -8
Grymek is a statue whose feet are imbedded in cement....tall but that's all. Grymek.........what a wasted ride. Many said the same thing about Ruth Hamblin after her first season. And of course the original quote comes out of context. The development of JG has been awesome. And, I'll stand by my statement, far more "development" than what we've seen with Big G. He is basically the same player, and it ain't all about the injury excuse. |
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), don't have a lot of backup either, especially since we are trying to grow a point guard in there someplace. 
