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Post by bbfan on Jan 9, 2018 13:46:51 GMT -8
1) Grind out a NIT birth this season 2) Use the available scholarship to get a jc or grad transfer starting Point Guard 3) Keep the band together another year (talking to you Drew) 4) Come out of the gate in 18-19 playing like they are now in conference play. Improved nonconference schedule will help RPI, such as Texas A&M in Portland next year |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 9, 2018 13:50:00 GMT -8
1) Grind out a NIT birth this season 2) Use the available scholarship to get a jc or grad transfer starting Point Guard 3) Keep the band together another year (talking to you Drew) 4) Come out of the gate in 18-19 playing like they are now in conference play. Improved nonconference schedule will help RPI, such as Texas A&M in Portland next year So... that covers about the next 11 months... what else???  |
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Post by bbfan on Jan 9, 2018 13:51:52 GMT -8
5) Get to the tourney and win a game!
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Post by Tigardbeav on Jan 9, 2018 19:03:50 GMT -8
5) Get to the tourney and win a game! Win out NIT birth? Boy or girl? I'd hate to send pink balloons to the fellas  |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 10, 2018 13:07:04 GMT -8
5) Get to the tourney and win a game! Conversely, it would be more realistic to hope for .500 or better in conference play, then making the NIT and winning it all ... this year, rather than a one-and-done in the NCAA, again (especially since even making the play-in game this year is highly improbable). Then, actually winning some road games next year, in December, and coming into 2018-2019 conference play healthy and strong, on a roll. Currently, it looks like the Pac-12 will be a four bid conference with a fifth team on the bubble. In order to finish in the top four, Oregon State probably needs to go 8-7 and, more likely, 9-6. The problem is that the Beavers may wind up on the outside looking in even if they go 9-6, because of the woeful non-conference scheduling. 9-6 would give Oregon State an RPI of about 82. In reality, the Beavers need to go at least 10-5 and more probably 11-4 to get on the bubble. 11-4 would give Oregon State an RPI of about 55. A run in the Pac-12 Tournament may obviate the need to go 10-5 or 11-4, but no one should feel good about a berth unless the Beavers wind up with at least 21 wins. To get an NIT berth, Oregon State needs to go at least 8-7. 18 wins is an absolute must at this point. Of most importance to RPI, Long Beach State needs to go on a tear. Oregon State played the 49ers twice, which means that Long Beach State's wins and losses matter more to Oregon State's RPI than what Colorado, Utah, and the Bay Area teams do. (The 49ers' games matter the most to the Beavers' current RPI than any of Oregon State's opponents.) Long Beach State is currently 5-11 with an RPI of 162 and that RPI is only expected to fall at this point. Long Beach State plays Cal State Northridge tonight. A 49er win would help the old RPI. Oregon State's other 10 non-conference opponents winning also helps. (Southern Utah's wins and losses are the third most important portion of Oregon State's current RPI, behind Long Beach State and Oregon. Southern Utah's impact on Oregon State's RPI should decrease as time goes on, but it is important to realize how Southern Utah's 4-9 record and 223rd-best RPI drags on Oregon State's RPI.) In the Pac-12, if you want Oregon State's RPI to improve, you should root for the following groups of teams in order: 1. Oregon. 2. Arizona.
3. Arizona State and Washington.
4. Arizona State.
5. UCLA, USC, and Washington State.
6. Stanford.
7. California, Colorado, and Utah.For example, a USC win over Colorado tonight helps Oregon States's RPI, as do wins by Oregon, UCLA, Washington, and Washington State. The biggest RPI conference game is Washington's game against California. That game is followed equally by UCLA and USC's games against Utah and Colorado, respectively, and Washington State's game against Stanford. Those four games carry with them about as much weight as the games involving Oregon State's non-conference games. The least important Pac-12 game for the Beavers' RPI purposes by far is Oregon's game with Arizona State, which carries a weight of one of Oregon State's more distant opponents' opponents. California and USC currently are not even opponents' opponents of Oregon State, so their wins and losses do not matter at this point to Oregon State's current RPI. USC's game with Colorado will mean that the Trojans will start to impact the Beavers' RPI going forward. California will not be an opponents' opponent until next Wednesday. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 10, 2018 13:35:15 GMT -8
1) Grind out a NIT birth this season 2) Use the available scholarship to get a jc or grad transfer starting Point Guard 3) Keep the band together another year (talking to you Drew) 4) Come out of the gate in 18-19 playing like they are now in conference play. Improved nonconference schedule will help RPI, such as Texas A&M in Portland next year #3 - I'm not trying to bash Drew or turn this into a "let's talk more about Drew's shortcomings" thing - but I don't think he's done anything to significantly change the opinions of NBA evaluators from last spring - feedback should be about the same, draft outlook still about the same, list of stuff he needs to work on - about the same. Stay in school kid. |
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Post by 411500 on Jan 10, 2018 14:55:29 GMT -8
Just thinking out loud here, but it seems if Drew hopes to be a long-term end of the bench NBA-er (which is a very ambitious career plan) he might figure he is better off playing pro somewhere next year.....
He doesn't seem to be getting much better here, so if he thinks he really is going to get better, maybe it will be from playing against pros
If this makes no sense it's probably because I've been watching news all day and my mind is on strike....
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 10, 2018 16:34:00 GMT -8
Just thinking out loud here, but it seems if Drew hopes to be a long-term end of the bench NBA-er (which is a very ambitious career plan) he might figure he is better off playing pro somewhere next year..... He doesn't seem to be getting much better here, so if he thinks he really is going to get better, maybe it will be from playing against pros If this makes no sense it's probably because I've been watching news all day and my mind is on strike.... What are people watching to think that Drew has not gotten better each year? He is significantly better than he was when he started here. He gets in less foul trouble (He still has a ways to go), shoots a very high percentage and has started to develop a mid-range jumper. He also has improved his free throw percentage.
However, he still has a long ways to go if he wants to stick in the league. He has to become a better passer and continue to develop his jumper.
That being said, he almost left last year. I seriously doubt that he will be here next year. He needs to come back, but I'm not sure he sees it that way.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 10, 2018 17:13:35 GMT -8
I'm with Judge Smails on this one. I'm seeing improvement. I think Drew's going to have a tough time making the league if he goes the undrafted free agent route.
If he were averaging 11 rebounds a game it'd be one thing, but at this point in his career he's averaging slightly worse in assists, blocks, steals, and turnovers and significantly lower in rebounds than Eric Moreland did here.
I'm thinking staying is his best shot at the NBA. He stays he gets 32-38 minutes a game in the spotlight next year, he gets in a development league he'll be one of many big guys splitting time trying to get notice.
If he wasn't improving it might be time to move on to a lower pro league, but I think he's still got some improvement he likely would make here that'd improve his odds at a career down the line.
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Post by beaverboilermaker on Jan 10, 2018 20:20:59 GMT -8
Currently, it looks like the Pac-12 will be a four bid conference with a fifth team on the bubble. In order to finish in the top four, Oregon State probably needs to go 8-7 and, more likely, 9-6. The problem is that the Beavers may wind up on the outside looking in even if they go 9-6, because of the woeful non-conference scheduling. 9-6 would give Oregon State an RPI of about 82. In reality, the Beavers need to go at least 10-5 and more probably 11-4 to get on the bubble. 11-4 would give Oregon State an RPI of about 55. A run in the Pac-12 Tournament may obviate the need to go 10-5 or 11-4, but no one should feel good about a berth unless the Beavers wind up with at least 21 wins. The problem was not the scheduling, exactly. The problem was the teams we ended up playing. An important distinction, because the ridiculous late-game, turnovers-turned-to-fast-break-dunks meltdown against St. John's in Orlando did not just cost OSU a loss. It cost games against quality opponents. Beat St. John's, and OSU doesn't play a 2nd game less than a week later against Long Beach. Oh, and current rpi 307 Marist never has a chance to appear on the "schedule." Instead, OSU would play Mizzu (current rpi 32), and then either W. Va. (9) or UCF (52). OSU was right to schedule the tourney that includes quality opponents, but the late-game turnover meltdown against rpi 57 St. John's was the most "important" game on the schedule. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 11, 2018 13:24:06 GMT -8
The problem was not the scheduling, exactly. The problem was the teams we ended up playing. An important distinction, because the ridiculous late-game, turnovers-turned-to-fast-break-dunks meltdown against St. John's in Orlando did not just cost OSU a loss. It cost games against quality opponents. Beat St. John's, and OSU doesn't play a 2nd game less than a week later against Long Beach. Oh, and current rpi 307 Marist never has a chance to appear on the "schedule." Instead, OSU would play Mizzu (current rpi 32), and then either W. Va. (9) or UCF (52). OSU was right to schedule the tourney that includes quality opponents, but the late-game turnover meltdown against rpi 57 St. John's was the most "important" game on the schedule. Worse than Marist (and Marist is bad) is Arkansas-Pine Bluff (RPI 331). That's scheduling. As are Southern Utah (RPI 225), Loyola-Marymount (RPI 261), Eastern Kentucky (RPI 305), Jacksonville State (RPI 226), and Kent State (RPI 234). A loss to Kent State is particularly damaging to RPI. |
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