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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2018 11:28:06 GMT -8
That investigation needs to start now. First question is how does the Oregon State athletic department get the pac 12 office to take a deep look at that game last night ?
The officiating calls in that game were beyond incompetence and beyond simply prejudicial, Higgins' calls were preposterous to the point of suspicion. Beavs were 1 point favorites. Higgins made several absolutely bogus calls in the last three minutes to give the game to Utah, including an inbound violation. Higgins has a history of suspicious officiating, i found that elite 8 game and watched it through last night. It was an absolute abortion. The link to the story about the man's lawsuit and his questionable roofing business (rooferees? huh?) raise questions about the man's background and motives.
At the very least, how does the pac 12 vett it's officiating crews? Is there any Pac 12 or NCAA commission or agency that oversees or takes reports of unscrupulous doings or secondary income sources by it's officiating crews? Sports betting is real and so is line fixing and so is point shaving. If it wasn't a concerted attempt to alter the outcome of the game it was surely inept officiating of the highest order. Either way, OS has a problem here and somebody in the athletic department has to have some backbone to call the league on this and keep calling until Higgins is suspended at least for the remainder of the season.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 1, 2018 11:57:52 GMT -8
The short guy with the silver hair made the in-bounds call. He also awarded the Utah player a timeout on the subsequent in-bounds play, when there was a pretty obvious 5-second violation. He also was the guy who awarded the timeout on what should have been a jump ball.
WT was on Higgins for not calling charging several times in the second half. Higgins clearly was yelling back at WT that the OSU defenders were "flopping." Higgins was also making calls from clear across the court. He is known to have a massive, massive ego.
The officials also told WT it was OK for the Utah player (34) to grab the rim and pull it down because the ball was not in the cylinder.
Eubank's fifth foul was dumb on his part, but No. 3 and No. 4 were absolute ticky-tack. I thought Caldwell ( #2) clearly fouled Tres on the body on Tres' last-second 3-pointer.
WT was as irate as I've ever seen him on the bench. Overall, a terrible second half from what should have been a strong crew.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 1, 2018 12:07:35 GMT -8
That investigation needs to start now. First question is how does the Oregon State athletic department get the pac 12 office to take a deep look at that game last night ? The officiating calls in that game were beyond incompetence and beyond simply prejudicial, Higgins' calls were preposterous to the point of suspicion. Beavs were 1 point favorites. Higgins made several absolutely bogus calls in the last three minutes to give the game to Utah, including an inbound violation. Higgins has a history of suspicious officiating, i found that elite 8 game and watched it through last night. It was an absolute abortion. The link to the story about the man's lawsuit and his questionable roofing business (rooferees? huh?) raise questions about the man's background and motives. At the very least, how does the pac 12 vett it's officiating crews? Is there any Pac 12 or NCAA commission or agency that oversees or takes reports of unscrupulous doings or secondary income sources by it's officiating crews? Sports betting is real and so is line fixing and so is point shaving. If it wasn't a concerted attempt to alter the outcome of the game it was surely inept officiating of the highest order. Either way, OS has a problem here and somebody in the athletic department has to have some backbone to call the league on this and keep calling until Higgins is suspended at least for the remainder of the season. I don't know whether MBB coaches can veto an individual official from working their conference games (like in FB) but if so, it'd be interesting to see whether Higgins works any more OSU games this season.
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Post by vhalum92 on Jan 1, 2018 12:09:22 GMT -8
What killed me was the utah player shuffled his feet inbounding the ball with 1.4 seconds left, just after Ethan was called for it. He didnt move as muchnas Ethan did... but his feet were a walkin around. My issue is be consistent!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 1, 2018 12:50:00 GMT -8
What killed me was the utah player shuffled his feet inbounding the ball with 1.4 seconds left, just after Ethan was called for it. He didnt move as muchnas Ethan did... but his feet were a walkin around. My issue is be consistent! It's not about shuffling your feet, it's about how much sideways ground you cover. Gotta keep at least a foot or a toe within a 36 inch space. The call on Ethan was pretty ticky tacky, I'd never even seen that call before, but it may have been correct.
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Post by schissler on Jan 1, 2018 19:18:38 GMT -8
That investigation needs to start now. First question is how does the Oregon State athletic department get the pac 12 office to take a deep look at that game last night ? The officiating calls in that game were beyond incompetence and beyond simply prejudicial, Higgins' calls were preposterous to the point of suspicion. Beavs were 1 point favorites. Higgins made several absolutely bogus calls in the last three minutes to give the game to Utah, including an inbound violation. Higgins has a history of suspicious officiating, i found that elite 8 game and watched it through last night. It was an absolute abortion. The link to the story about the man's lawsuit and his questionable roofing business (rooferees? huh?) raise questions about the man's background and motives. At the very least, how does the pac 12 vett it's officiating crews? Is there any Pac 12 or NCAA commission or agency that oversees or takes reports of unscrupulous doings or secondary income sources by it's officiating crews? Sports betting is real and so is line fixing and so is point shaving. If it wasn't a concerted attempt to alter the outcome of the game it was surely inept officiating of the highest order. Either way, OS has a problem here and somebody in the athletic department has to have some backbone to call the league on this and keep calling until Higgins is suspended at least for the remainder of the season. As preposterous as much of the officiating was in Sunday’s game, I’m not inclined to attribute it to point shaving. I don’t think those guys are willing to risk their on-court gig to assist the gaming industry, legal or illegal. There’s another consideration to look at. After the game, I was wondering “who are these guys?” and did a little online digging, and that’s when the story about John Higgins getting death threats and subsequently filing the lawsuit was found. Another of the stories mentioned referees are essentially independent contractors: they can work games in multiple conferences and to a great degree they set their own schedules. (I’m not clear on the ins and outs of how they interact with each conference to determine which games they will be working.) It said many officials will work as many games as possible because the more you work, the more you make. So, how much are our friends Higgins, Steve Olson and Randy McCoy working? And where? A quick run through the Google machine showed all three had worked a game the previous day. Or, in two cases, night. Higgins and Olson officiated the Boise State at Nevada-Las Vegas game, which tipped off at 8 p.m. Saturday night. Figuring the game wrapped up about 10 p.m., they then had to shower, get to the airport, fly to Portland or Eugene, get some rest and get to Corvallis in advance of a 3 p.m. tipoff. So there’s a pretty good chance you’re tired when the Sunday game starts, maybe you’re a little foggy, you miss a call or two early and people get on you. When I’m tired, I’m cranky; maybe they’re the same way and the early disagreements get them even more irritated toward the complainers. Higgins gives off an “I’ll show you” air that, in reading about his other work, seems to be his default setting, so that quality is aggravated. He also worked Friday night’s game that had Kansas at Texas, and got into it with Texas coach Shaka Smart ( www.wearebbn.com/2017/12/30/jay-bilas-calls-john-higgins-inappropriate-behavior/ ;it’s a Kentucky site, but watch the clip ). By the middle of the second half, Olson looked physically whipped – I thought he must have started his New Year’s Eve party a night early, but he’d been working a late game in another state. By the end of Sunday’s game, my guess is neither of them wanted to contemplate working overtime. McCoy, who I thought did the best job most of the game, worked a game Saturday as well, but his St. Mary’s at Brigham Young game tipped off at 2 p.m., giving him another six hours to travel and recover. Incidentally, it was the third game in three days for all of them. In addition to Higgins being at Texas, Olson and McCall both worked the Washington at Southern California game. I didn’t have the time or inclination to go back further than that, but it would be interesting to know how many games they’ve worked and how many miles they’ve travelled in the past week or two weeks. So it’s not a point shaving investigation I’d encourage, but rather a look at whether the way this system is set up is conducive to having referees who are physically and mentally at the top of their game for each contest. And whether at least one guy needs some counseling on interpersonal relations. Now, let’s go beat the crap out of the Ducks. This team still has a chance to be pretty good.
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Post by touchdownbeavers on Jan 2, 2018 12:40:40 GMT -8
Some of you guys are crazy. I've read the past couple of days everything from that there is no such thing as traveling for an inbounder to they have a 3 foot space they can move in, and now the idea that a referee would risk his position and prison time for point shaving.
How about these ideas? The inbound play was correctly called. When inbounding the ball after a call of out of bounds or a jump ball, you have to keep a pivot foot down just like on the court if you pick up your dribble or receive a pass. Been that way for years and years and years. Secondly, to what end does a referee point shave? If he isn't making his own bets then he would getting be paid off by someone else making bets. Easy enough for gambling commissions and the FBI to check on a higher than normal level of activity on any particular game.
Here is my idea. The referees didn't have their finest game. In fact, some of the calls and non calls stunk.
Whatever happened to the fire Wayne Tinkle guys? Are they on this board because educk was shut down?
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 2, 2018 13:03:33 GMT -8
There were definitely some bad calls that hurt the Beavers, but point shaving is going to the extreme. Bad game by what appears to be at least one bad ref.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 2, 2018 13:59:07 GMT -8
Some of you guys are crazy. I've read the past couple of days everything from that there is no such thing as traveling for an inbounder to they have a 3 foot space they can move in, and now the idea that a referee would risk his position and prison time for point shaving. How about these ideas? The inbound play was correctly called. When inbounding the ball after a call of out of bounds or a jump ball, you have to keep a pivot foot down just like on the court if you pick up your dribble or receive a pass. Been that way for years and years and years. Secondly, to what end does a referee point shave? If he isn't making his own bets then he would getting be paid off by someone else making bets. Easy enough for gambling commissions and the FBI to check on a higher than normal level of activity on any particular game. Here is my idea. The referees didn't have their finest game. In fact, some of the calls and non calls stunk. Whatever happened to the fire Wayne Tinkle guys? Are they on this board because educk was shut down? You don’t have to keep a pivot foot down, the rules say otherwise. There have been at least two links to the rules posted. The rules clearly state on a spot inbounds there is a 36 inch wide zone and you can shuffle/jump/whatever to your hearts content as long as you keep one foot in or over that zone. Edit: oops, Beaverfever beat me to it.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 2, 2018 15:13:58 GMT -8
Rule... interpretation... who cares! Let's all agree it's a horses%#te call... is never made unless the inbounder blantantly runs to make a pass, and never called in that situation.
There were numerous egregious calls... some very bad... the refs sucked... OSU didn't hit some easy looks and had another crucial dry spell.
Unfortunately it's the type of game this team needs to win at home.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 2, 2018 17:56:07 GMT -8
Some of you guys are crazy. I've read the past couple of days everything from that there is no such thing as traveling for an inbounder to they have a 3 foot space they can move in, and now the idea that a referee would risk his position and prison time for point shaving. How about these ideas? The inbound play was correctly called. When inbounding the ball after a call of out of bounds or a jump ball, you have to keep a pivot foot down just like on the court if you pick up your dribble or receive a pass. Been that way for years and years and years. Secondly, to what end does a referee point shave? If he isn't making his own bets then he would getting be paid off by someone else making bets. Easy enough for gambling commissions and the FBI to check on a higher than normal level of activity on any particular game. Here is my idea. The referees didn't have their finest game. In fact, some of the calls and non calls stunk. Whatever happened to the fire Wayne Tinkle guys? Are they on this board because educk was shut down? While I doubt that it was the case here, if you don’t think it’s happened you’re naive and/or uninformed. The NBA official Tim Mc Something recently came clean and admitted it. Personal financial gain is rarely the case. Owing the wrong guys money, getting blackmailed, all kinds of unsavory things that can be dismissed “if you just keep it closer than X. It’s happened with players and refs.
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Post by Tigardbeav on Jan 2, 2018 18:36:55 GMT -8
How about this. Larry K called for a make up call from 2 years ago when Stevie T Jr hits three free throws to win the game on a bogus call at the buzzer
Next make up call UW
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Post by touchdownbeavers on Jan 2, 2018 22:14:22 GMT -8
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Jan 3, 2018 0:07:20 GMT -8
How about this. Larry K called for a make up call from 2 years ago when Stevie T Jr hits three free throws to win the game on a bogus call at the buzzer Next make up call UW The call that gave Stevie those 3 free throws was a make-up call from a similarly bogus foul call on Jarmal Reid on a 3 by a Utah player that gave them the lead in the first place if I remember correctly.
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Post by Tigardbeav on Jan 3, 2018 11:31:37 GMT -8
How about this. Larry K called for a make up call from 2 years ago when Stevie T Jr hits three free throws to win the game on a bogus call at the buzzer Next make up call UW The call that gave Stevie those 3 free throws was a make-up call from a similarly bogus foul call on Jarmal Reid on a 3 by a Utah player that gave them the lead in the first place if I remember correctly. Oh man. This is deeper than i thought. 3 levels deep...so far. Was gary anderson in the stands too? Did he call a Code Red??. I'm out
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