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Post by beaverstever on Dec 20, 2017 7:53:07 GMT -8
Just for fun:
OSU Winning %:
Ralph Miller: 0.633 (adjusted for vacated wins)
Scott Rueck: 0.654
Pac-10/12 Conference Titles:
Miller: 4
Rueck: 3
NCAA Tournament:
Miller: 8 Trips in 19 years
Tournament Record: 6 wins, 8 losses
1 Elite 8
Rueck: 4 Trips in 7 years
Tournament Record: 8 wins, 4 losses
1 Final 4
1 Sweet 16
Of course, winning in the men's game is very different than the women's IMO (primarily due to the men's game far more corrupted by various financial interests, and the program budget disparity that OSU competes with is probably also far larger in men's vs. women's). That said, it's still nothing short of amazing that Rueck has, at least in some respects, has accomplished more in 7 years than Miller did in 19 at OSU.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 20, 2017 8:25:41 GMT -8
Both are great coaches. The NCAA tournament did not invite 64 teams in Ralph's era. Undoubtedly some of those NIT teams of the late 1970s-80s would be NCAA teams in the 64-team era. And he would have had more wins; with more teams the first-round games are easier.
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Post by bennyskid on Dec 20, 2017 9:12:05 GMT -8
Best Turnaround: Rueck.
Best Dethroning of a Conference Powerhouse: Tie (Miller/UCLA, Rueck/Stanford).
Best at Carrying Beaver Nation Through Dark Times: Miller.
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Post by mountainbeaver on Dec 20, 2017 10:16:36 GMT -8
Huge props to Rueck!
I loved regular season Ralph. My only criticism of his career were his
post season teams which always seemed to play tight. It took a long time
to get over the B2B losses to Lamar and Kansas State. I really think he
never dialed his teams in to the right psychology for post season success.
Unbelievably painful to watch some of those tournament games!
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 20, 2017 13:46:40 GMT -8
Huge props to Rueck! I loved regular season Ralph. My only criticism of his career were his post season teams which always seemed to play tight. It took a long time to get over the B2B losses to Lamar and Kansas State. I really think he never dialed his teams in to the right psychology for post season success. Unbelievably painful to watch some of those tournament games! Agreed - and I think you could make the argument that Rueck's teams have overachieved in the postseason more of then they've underachieved. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 20, 2017 14:27:26 GMT -8
Huge props to Rueck! I loved regular season Ralph. My only criticism of his career were his post season teams which always seemed to play tight. It took a long time to get over the B2B losses to Lamar and Kansas State. I really think he never dialed his teams in to the right psychology for post season success. Unbelievably painful to watch some of those tournament games! Don't forget about Evansville. The team that wore shooting shirt uniforms.
Jimmy then continued the tradition the next year by losing to Ball St.
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Post by bennyskid on Dec 20, 2017 14:59:00 GMT -8
Agreed - and I think you could make the argument that Rueck's teams have overachieved in the postseason more of then they've underachieved. Huh? 2014 - Seeded 9. Beat #8 Middle Tennessee. Lost to #1 South Carolina 2015 - Seeded 3. Beat #14 St.Bonaventure. Lost to #11 Gonzaga 2016 - Seeded 2. Beat #15 Troy, #10 St. Bonnie, #6 DePaul, #1 Baylor. Lost to UConn 2017 - Seeded 2. Beat #15 LBSU, #7 Creighton. Lost to #3 Florida St. I see one trivial overachievement (#9 over #8), one modest overachievement (#2 over #1), one trivial underachievement (#2 losing to #3), and one crushing underachievement (#3 losing to #11 AT HOME). At least Ralph had the grace and good fortune to lose a long way from Gill. |
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Post by elmirabeaver on Dec 20, 2017 17:14:27 GMT -8
Best at Carrying Beaver Nation Through Dark Times: Miller. Yep. |
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 20, 2017 18:59:30 GMT -8
Agreed - and I think you could make the argument that Rueck's teams have overachieved in the postseason more of then they've underachieved. Huh? 2014 - Seeded 9. Beat #8 Middle Tennessee. Lost to #1 South Carolina 2015 - Seeded 3. Beat #14 St.Bonaventure. Lost to #11 Gonzaga 2016 - Seeded 2. Beat #15 Troy, #10 St. Bonnie, #6 DePaul, #1 Baylor. Lost to UConn 2017 - Seeded 2. Beat #15 LBSU, #7 Creighton. Lost to #3 Florida St. I see one trivial overachievement (#9 over #8), one modest overachievement (#2 over #1), one trivial underachievement (#2 losing to #3), and one crushing underachievement (#3 losing to #11 AT HOME). At least Ralph had the grace and good fortune to lose a long way from Gill. Beating a #1 when you are not a #1 is a big overachievement, especially in women's basketball, where the #1s are often well ahead of everybody else. Ralph had a lot of one-and-dones, Scott has zero. Even winning as a favorite seed regularly is an over-achievement - odds catch everybody periodically. |
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Post by bennyskid on Dec 20, 2017 21:19:02 GMT -8
Beating a #1 when you are not a #1 is a big overachievement, especially in women's basketball, where the #1s are often well ahead of everybody else. Ralph had a lot of one-and-dones, Scott has zero. Even winning as a favorite seed regularly is an over-achievement - odds catch everybody periodically. Our win against Baylor was wonderful, but our loss to Gonzaga was objectively worse than ANY of Ralph's losses. Ralph never lost to a double-digit seed as a seed nearly as high as #3 - and he always had to play at neutral sites. Scott lost that game at home. And winning as a favorite is an *overachievement*? Maybe in Lake Wobegon. Scott's a great coach, but don't lose sight of reality. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 20, 2017 21:28:00 GMT -8
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 20, 2017 22:30:54 GMT -8
Beating a #1 when you are not a #1 is a big overachievement, especially in women's basketball, where the #1s are often well ahead of everybody else. Ralph had a lot of one-and-dones, Scott has zero. Even winning as a favorite seed regularly is an over-achievement - odds catch everybody periodically. Our win against Baylor was wonderful, but our loss to Gonzaga was objectively worse than ANY of Ralph's losses. Ralph never lost to a double-digit seed as a seed nearly as high as #3 - and he always had to play at neutral sites. Scott lost that game at home. And winning as a favorite is an *overachievement*? Maybe in Lake Wobegon. Scott's a great coach, but don't lose sight of reality. I have to disagree on the Gonzaga loss being worse than #1 seed with one loss the whole year to an 8 seed. 11's beating 3s happen relatively often - #3 seeds are well into the flawed team territory, and a bad matchup spells trouble. I recall plenty of hand-wringing going into that post-season about flaws that team hadn't remedied. And from a fan perspective, losing before the final 4 with a #1 seed is always a gut punch, where going in with a #3, you know things are going to need to break your way. And yes, I fully realize this is a silly comparison (albeit a debate I find enjoyable). Ralph is unquestionably a legend - it's just interesting (and surprising to me) that purely from a deliverables perspective, Rueck is already in the same ballpark. |
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