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Post by rockybeav on Dec 14, 2017 10:14:16 GMT -8
This rules him out as OSU DC I am guessing? Assuming it is true.
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Post by beavadelic on Dec 14, 2017 10:28:13 GMT -8
This rules him out as OSU DC I am guessing? Assuming it is true. This makes me wonder about guys like Heyward. It may or may not be good news for OSU that we haven’t heard of an official extension with Crystal Ball taking over at oregon. It could mean that the talk of him continuing on that staff is for recruiting purposes for them. I have no basis for anything regarding his situation except the freedom that we all have to speculate. What if MC and everyone attached to that staff know he’s coming to Corvallis and have told him that he can’t cherry-pick their recruits in the process? Maybe not likely, but who knows?
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Post by BeaverTailChaser on Dec 14, 2017 12:36:57 GMT -8
Damn! I really liked the possibility of Lake. I appreciate how hard and effective the Husky D plays. I don't think KHJ will leave u of zero. I have watched Wyoming 3-4 times...I was not impressed...hiring their DC does not register on the excitement meter! Sorry
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Post by nforkbeav on Dec 14, 2017 13:11:41 GMT -8
Damn! I really liked the possibility of Lake. I appreciate how hard and effective the Husky D plays. I don't think KHJ will leave u of zero. I have watched Wyoming 3-4 times...I was not impressed...hiring their DC does not register on the excitement meter! Sorry Interesting. This was his first year as DC at Wyoming and they finished 2nd in scoring defense. Up 7 spots from last years 9th in conference standing. That's a pretty impressive improvement in anyone's book. Rushing D improved a couple spots, and Passing D jumped from 11th in 2016 all the way to a league leading 1st in 2017. If that doesn't excite you, it begs the question, did you watch Beaver football this past year? If he were to end up here and made half the improvement as Wyoming made in his first year, that would excite the heck out of me. 2017 OSU D 12th Scoring D 11th Rushing D 7th Passing D 11th Total D
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Post by beaverinohio on Dec 14, 2017 13:18:38 GMT -8
Damn! I really liked the possibility of Lake. I appreciate how hard and effective the Husky D plays. I don't think KHJ will leave u of zero. I have watched Wyoming 3-4 times...I was not impressed...hiring their DC does not register on the excitement meter! Sorry I'd agree that it might not be an exciting hire, but a quick look at the scores of the Wyoming games it looks like their defense was pretty respectable. Other than the Oregon game, they never gave up more than 24 points. And in the games they gave up 20 to 24 points, they won 2 of them and the losses in the other two games were to Iowa and Boise St. Wyoming did give up 49 to Oregon, but Wyoming's offense had less than 200 yards in offense and punted 9 times that game. Overall Wyoming's offense was no where as good as the previous year, so that put a lot more pressure on the D.
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Post by BeaverTailChaser on Dec 14, 2017 13:28:08 GMT -8
Damn! I really liked the possibility of Lake. I appreciate how hard and effective the Husky D plays. I don't think KHJ will leave u of zero. I have watched Wyoming 3-4 times...I was not impressed...hiring their DC does not register on the excitement meter! Sorry Interesting. This was his first year as DC at Wyoming and they finished 2nd in scoring defense. Up 7 spots from last years 9th in conference standing. That's a pretty impressive improvement in anyone's book. Rushing D improved a couple spots, and Passing D jumped from 11th in 2016 all the way to a league leading 1st in 2017. If that doesn't excite you, it begs the question, did you watch Beaver football this past year? If he were to end up here and made half the improvement as Wyoming made in his first year, that would excite the heck out of me. 2017 OSU D 12th Scoring D 11th Rushing D 7th Passing D 11th Total D They play in a weak league. They got beat by the only 2 teams in the MW, Fresneck St. and Bozo St. that had pertinent seasons. They even figured out how to lose to San Josie St! Beat by Iowa and and blasted by the ucks. Their only decent win was against CSU. Your points are valid, thanks for the stats, but the MW is not the PAC 12. Cheers.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 14, 2017 13:50:37 GMT -8
Interesting. This was his first year as DC at Wyoming and they finished 2nd in scoring defense. Up 7 spots from last years 9th in conference standing. That's a pretty impressive improvement in anyone's book. Rushing D improved a couple spots, and Passing D jumped from 11th in 2016 all the way to a league leading 1st in 2017. If that doesn't excite you, it begs the question, did you watch Beaver football this past year? If he were to end up here and made half the improvement as Wyoming made in his first year, that would excite the heck out of me. 2017 OSU D 12th Scoring D 11th Rushing D 7th Passing D 11th Total D They play in a weak league. They got beat by the only 2 teams in the MW, Fresneck St. and Bozo St. that had pertinent seasons. They even figured out how to lose to San Josie St! Beat by Iowa and and blasted by the ucks. Their only decent win was against CSU. Your points are valid, thanks for the stats, but the MW is not the PAC 12. Cheers. Wyoming didn't lose games because of their D. Their offense was awful, especially when their QB was injured. That is why they lost games.
San Diego St. went 10-2 with victories over ASU and Stanford. You better call them and tell them their season wasn't "pertinent". (Yes, I know Wyoming didn't play them)
Yes, the MW is not the Pac-12, but what does that have to do with what kind of coach he is? He's not going to be coaching MW players in the Pac-12. He's going to have better athletes. He took his athletes in his league and made them a top defense. Unless you think that his schemes are bad...comparing the MW to the Pac-12 is pointless.
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Post by BeaverTailChaser on Dec 14, 2017 14:03:18 GMT -8
They play in a weak league. They got beat by the only 2 teams in the MW, Fresneck St. and Bozo St. that had pertinent seasons. They even figured out how to lose to San Josie St! Beat by Iowa and and blasted by the ucks. Their only decent win was against CSU. Your points are valid, thanks for the stats, but the MW is not the PAC 12. Cheers. Wyoming didn't lose games because of their D. Their offense was awful, especially when their QB was injured. That is why they lost games.
San Diego St. went 10-2 with victories over ASU and Stanford. You better call them and tell them their season wasn't "pertinent". (Yes, I know Wyoming didn't play them)
Yes, the MW is not the Pac-12, but what does that have to do with what kind of coach he is? He's not going to be coaching MW players in the Pac-12. He's going to have better athletes. He took his athletes in his league and made them a top defense. Unless you think that his schemes are bad...comparing the MW to the Pac-12 is pointless.
I don't disagree with some your points, Judge Biggie Smalls, but I just think it is easier to show quick improvement in a league like the MW. Thanks for acknowledging SDSt., they had great season, but weren't pertinent in my discussion since Wyo didn't play them. If we hire the Wyo D.C., great! My only issue is the small sample size that happened in smaller league. I will simply agree to disagree about the excitment factor this hire would bring.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 14, 2017 14:08:43 GMT -8
Wyoming didn't lose games because of their D. Their offense was awful, especially when their QB was injured. That is why they lost games.
San Diego St. went 10-2 with victories over ASU and Stanford. You better call them and tell them their season wasn't "pertinent". (Yes, I know Wyoming didn't play them)
Yes, the MW is not the Pac-12, but what does that have to do with what kind of coach he is? He's not going to be coaching MW players in the Pac-12. He's going to have better athletes. He took his athletes in his league and made them a top defense. Unless you think that his schemes are bad...comparing the MW to the Pac-12 is pointless.
I don't disagree with some your points, Judge Biggie Smalls, but I just think it is easier to show quick improvement in a league like the MW. Thanks for acknowledging SDSt., they had great season, but weren't pertinent in my discussion since Wyo didn't play them. If we hire the Wyo D.C., great! My only issue is the small sample size that happened in smaller league. I will simply agree to disagree about the excitment factor this hire would bring. I didn't say that I would be excited about him, so we don't have to agree to disagree about that part. I don't get too excited over the hiring of D coordinators. Every Beav fan should have learned that lesson after the hiring of Sitake. I'll just accept whomever JS wants and wait & see how they do.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 14, 2017 14:18:42 GMT -8
Interesting. This was his first year as DC at Wyoming and they finished 2nd in scoring defense. Up 7 spots from last years 9th in conference standing. That's a pretty impressive improvement in anyone's book. Rushing D improved a couple spots, and Passing D jumped from 11th in 2016 all the way to a league leading 1st in 2017. If that doesn't excite you, it begs the question, did you watch Beaver football this past year? If he were to end up here and made half the improvement as Wyoming made in his first year, that would excite the heck out of me. 2017 OSU D 12th Scoring D 11th Rushing D 7th Passing D 11th Total D They play in a weak league. They got beat by the only 2 teams in the MW, Fresneck St. and Bozo St. that had pertinent seasons. They even figured out how to lose to San Josie St! Beat by Iowa and and blasted by the ucks. Their only decent win was against CSU. Your points are valid, thanks for the stats, but the MW is not the PAC 12. Cheers. When adjusted for schedule, Wyoming's defense jumped from 62nd in 2016 to 34th in 2017. It is worth noting that Wyoming's offense was 117th in 2017. Just for comparison, when adjusted for schedule, the Beavers' defense last year was 120th and their offense was 103rd. Iowa scored 24 points against Wyoming. The Hawkeyes' second touchdown was set up by a -5 yard punt with 38 seconds left in the first half. Iowa's field goal concluded a 13-yard drive after an interception. That same Iowa offense scored 48 points against Ohio State. Boise State scored 24 points against Wyoming. The Broncos' field goal was a 37-yard drive after an interception. Boise's final touchdown came after a 19-yard net punt. That same Boise State offense scored 44 points against Alex Grinch's defense, who a bunch of guys on here were in love with earlier in the season. Wyoming held Fresno State to 13 points. The Bulldogs' touchdown was a 21-yard drive after the Cowboys muffed a punt. Only one team held Fresno State to fewer than 13 points all year and that was Alabama, before McMaryion began to start. Washington gave up 16 points and only had to contend with McMaryion in the second half. I would also add that Oregon State and Wyoming share two common opponents, Colorado State and Oregon. The Cowboys outperformed Oregon State against both. Most notably, Wyoming held Colorado State to 13 points. Oregon State allowed 51 points to that same Colorado State offense. Wyoming's defense was able to outperform Oregon State's defense with inferior talent.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 14, 2017 14:21:47 GMT -8
They play in a weak league. They got beat by the only 2 teams in the MW, Fresneck St. and Bozo St. that had pertinent seasons. They even figured out how to lose to San Josie St! Beat by Iowa and and blasted by the ucks. Their only decent win was against CSU. Your points are valid, thanks for the stats, but the MW is not the PAC 12. Cheers. Wyoming didn't lose games because of their D. Their offense was awful, especially when their QB was injured. That is why they lost games.
San Diego St. went 10-2 with victories over ASU and Stanford. You better call them and tell them their season wasn't "pertinent". (Yes, I know Wyoming didn't play them)
Yes, the MW is not the Pac-12, but what does that have to do with what kind of coach he is? He's not going to be coaching MW players in the Pac-12. He's going to have better athletes. He took his athletes in his league and made them a top defense. Unless you think that his schemes are bad...comparing the MW to the Pac-12 is pointless.
Not pertinent = bringing up 10-2 SDSt and their opponents when they were not an opponent of Wyoming. And, I'd venture to say he'd be coaching players here the first couple years closer to good MW players than good Pac12 players. So, his coaching vs Oregon etc would be relevant to the type of coach he is.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 14, 2017 14:49:47 GMT -8
Wyoming didn't lose games because of their D. Their offense was awful, especially when their QB was injured. That is why they lost games.
San Diego St. went 10-2 with victories over ASU and Stanford. You better call them and tell them their season wasn't "pertinent". (Yes, I know Wyoming didn't play them)
Yes, the MW is not the Pac-12, but what does that have to do with what kind of coach he is? He's not going to be coaching MW players in the Pac-12. He's going to have better athletes. He took his athletes in his league and made them a top defense. Unless you think that his schemes are bad...comparing the MW to the Pac-12 is pointless.
Not pertinent = bringing up 10-2 SDSt and their opponents when they were not an opponent of Wyoming. And, I'd venture to say he'd be coaching players here the first couple years closer to good MW players than good Pac12 players. So, his coaching vs Oregon etc would be relevant to the type of coach he is. He said there was only 2 teams in the MW that had "pertinent" seasons. 10-2 is a "pertinent" season.
And, while our talent is on the lower end of the Pac-12, it is still better than what he had to work with at Wyoming.
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Post by 93beav on Dec 14, 2017 14:55:18 GMT -8
They play in a weak league. They got beat by the only 2 teams in the MW, Fresneck St. and Bozo St. that had pertinent seasons. They even figured out how to lose to San Josie St! Beat by Iowa and and blasted by the ucks. Their only decent win was against CSU. Your points are valid, thanks for the stats, but the MW is not the PAC 12. Cheers. When adjusted for schedule, Wyoming's defense jumped from 62nd in 2016 to 34th in 2017. It is worth noting that Wyoming's offense was 117th in 2017. Just for comparison, when adjusted for schedule, the Beavers' defense last year was 120th and their offense was 103rd. Iowa scored 24 points against Wyoming. The Hawkeyes' second touchdown was set up by a -5 yard punt with 38 seconds left in the first half. Iowa's field goal concluded a 13-yard drive after an interception. That same Iowa offense scored 48 points against Ohio State. Boise State scored 24 points against Wyoming. The Broncos' field goal was a 37-yard drive after an interception. Boise's final touchdown came after a 19-yard net punt. That same Boise State offense scored 44 points against Alex Grinch's defense, who a bunch of guys on here were in love with earlier in the season. Wyoming held Fresno State to 13 points. The Bulldogs' touchdown was a 21-yard drive after the Cowboys muffed a punt. Only one team held Fresno State to fewer than 13 points all year and that was Alabama, before McMaryion began to start. Washington gave up 16 points and only had to contend with McMaryion in the second half. I would also add that Oregon State and Wyoming share two common opponents, Colorado State and Oregon. The Cowboys outperformed Oregon State against both. Most notably, Wyoming held Colorado State to 13 points. Oregon State allowed 51 points to that same Colorado State offense. Wyoming's defense was able to outperform Oregon State's defense with inferior talent. So what you're saying is don't transfer over Wyoming's punter?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 16, 2017 14:36:34 GMT -8
When adjusted for schedule, Wyoming's defense jumped from 62nd in 2016 to 34th in 2017. It is worth noting that Wyoming's offense was 117th in 2017. Just for comparison, when adjusted for schedule, the Beavers' defense last year was 120th and their offense was 103rd. Iowa scored 24 points against Wyoming. The Hawkeyes' second touchdown was set up by a -5 yard punt with 38 seconds left in the first half. Iowa's field goal concluded a 13-yard drive after an interception. That same Iowa offense scored 48 points against Ohio State. Boise State scored 24 points against Wyoming. The Broncos' field goal was a 37-yard drive after an interception. Boise's final touchdown came after a 19-yard net punt. That same Boise State offense scored 44 points against Alex Grinch's defense, who a bunch of guys on here were in love with earlier in the season. Wyoming held Fresno State to 13 points. The Bulldogs' touchdown was a 21-yard drive after the Cowboys muffed a punt. Only one team held Fresno State to fewer than 13 points all year and that was Alabama, before McMaryion began to start. Washington gave up 16 points and only had to contend with McMaryion in the second half. I would also add that Oregon State and Wyoming share two common opponents, Colorado State and Oregon. The Cowboys outperformed Oregon State against both. Most notably, Wyoming held Colorado State to 13 points. Oregon State allowed 51 points to that same Colorado State offense. Wyoming's defense was able to outperform Oregon State's defense with inferior talent. So what you're saying is don't transfer over Wyoming's punter? Wyoming's punter is true freshman Tim Zaleski. The -5 yard punt came on his fourth punt as a collegiate player and in Iowa City. Sadly, statistically, even with the -5 yard punt, Zaleski put up better numbers than Oregon State's punting game last season.
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 16, 2017 15:10:04 GMT -8
So what you're saying is don't transfer over Wyoming's punter? Wyoming's punter is true freshman Tim Zaleski. The -5 yard punt came on his fourth punt as a collegiate player and in Iowa City. Sadly, statistically, even with the -5 yard punt, Zaleski put up better numbers than Oregon State's punting game last season. Poorpuntski! Was he up for the Ray Guy award or the Below Average Guy award? I think I was confused.
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