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Post by gzrbvr on Feb 6, 2016 9:32:12 GMT -8
Really fun to come on here and read the Bash Eubanks thread. I am a big Eubanks fan--He has some limitations, just like all players. I don't know what some of you expect. Have any of you ever seen one of our centers run the break like he did on a properly run fast break when the score was about 25-25? We have never had a center who can run like that. Does he leave his feet? Yes, he does, but he also blocks shots regularly. Does he battle down low? Yes, and without being too critical of Shaft, how often does he cover Shaft's short-comings on defense down low? Quite a bit from my seat. Eubanks is pretty much covering the paint by himself. Gomis-hurt. N'Diaye--short minute help at times. Big G? Getting better, but short minutes--who am I leaving out?
Poeltl is an excellent player. He is a load-he has skills and is wide bodied. I don't think we did too bad a job on him in total. He will play in the NBA until he misses the schnitzel more than the money.
As far as not getting out to the corner to contest the three, Eubanks can be criticized for that, but I have seen Shaft, Tres, Thompson, Reid all in the same situation more times than I care to count-not to mention Duvivier and LMW. That is a tough thing to do and a weakness in our defense that teams take advantage of. They are going to get some of those shot from time to time. Nobody said it would be easy.
Do I recognize any room for improvement by Eubanks? Of course. I have been critical of his decision making on taking the points rather than doing a showtime move. His two clanks on open dunks stick in my mind for sure. I am critical of the decisions to not use the backboard at times and I am sure you guys are tired of my harping on it, but it is there. Incidentally, Utah had a few instances of the same problem the other night.
Anyway, Eubanks is the best we have and he is pretty good on the way to getting better. I am going to sit back and enjoy watching his development.
GZR
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Post by beaverstever on Feb 8, 2016 8:58:44 GMT -8
Really fun to come on here and read the Bash Eubanks thread. I am a big Eubanks fan--He has some limitations, just like all players. I don't know what some of you expect. Have any of you ever seen one of our centers run the break like he did on a properly run fast break when the score was about 25-25? We have never had a center who can run like that. Does he leave his feet? Yes, he does, but he also blocks shots regularly. Does he battle down low? Yes, and without being too critical of Shaft, how often does he cover Shaft's short-comings on defense down low? Quite a bit from my seat. Eubanks is pretty much covering the paint by himself. Gomis-hurt. N'Diaye--short minute help at times. Big G? Getting better, but short minutes--who am I leaving out? Poeltl is an excellent player. He is a load-he has skills and is wide bodied. I don't think we did too bad a job on him in total. He will play in the NBA until he misses the schnitzel more than the money. As far as not getting out to the corner to contest the three, Eubanks can be criticized for that, but I have seen Shaft, Tres, Thompson, Reid all in the same situation more times than I care to count-not to mention Duvivier and LMW. That is a tough thing to do and a weakness in our defense that teams take advantage of. They are going to get some of those shot from time to time. Nobody said it would be easy. Do I recognize any room for improvement by Eubanks? Of course. I have been critical of his decision making on taking the points rather than doing a showtime move. His two clanks on open dunks stick in my mind for sure. I am critical of the decisions to not use the backboard at times and I am sure you guys are tired of my harping on it, but it is there. Incidentally, Utah had a few instances of the same problem the other night. Anyway, Eubanks is the best we have and he is pretty good on the way to getting better. I am going to sit back and enjoy watching his development. GZR Sorry you saw this as a 'bash Eubanks' thread. He's my favorite player of the frosh class and I have super high hopes for him. Eubanks seems to get more of Coach Tinkle's ire than the other players, and that's often an indication of a kid being coachable (along with obviously making visible mistakes). WT knows what Drew can become, and he's pushing him hard. I am emotionally invested in the idea that he will develop into a player that can carry this team. |
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Post by gzrbvr on Feb 8, 2016 9:54:17 GMT -8
Beaverstever
I agree almost completely with the points in your original post . I didn't agree with some of the comments farther down the page from other posters. When I go back and read them now, they don't hit me quite so hard. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Post by beavs6 on Feb 8, 2016 13:38:10 GMT -8
I think when all is said and done, Eubanks will be the highest rated player out of this year's Freshman class. He has a couple of things that cannot be taught...height AND athleticism. He is lacking things that can be taught, hence being on a team with coaches. He has only been playing hoops for what...4-5 years?! His ceiling is WAY HIGH.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 8, 2016 14:39:18 GMT -8
I think when all is said and done, Eubanks will be the highest rated player out of this year's Freshman class. He has a couple of things that cannot be taught...height AND athleticism. He is lacking things that can be taught, hence being on a team with coaches. He has only been playing hoops for what...4-5 years?! His ceiling is WAY HIGH. Not sure what you mean by highly rated??? Like NBA types? My money would be on Stevie... he has the offensive tools/swagger, and is deceptively long and a better defender (especially NBA style defense) than he is given credit for. Drew is lacking A LOT to pass Stevie (Tres will have a tough time over coming the quickness factor, but he will end up bigger stronger and be more of a post with a 3 ball game... IMHO) in terms of for his position. Forgetting just the bulk/strength/bball savvy... 6'10" athletic players with both post, mid range, and 3 point game are almost common place now days. He'll likely be limited to just developing and refining a good post game with some rebounding prowess. That would be a great deal for us on the college level, but it does not warrant much attention in the NBA these days. |
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Post by beaverstever on Feb 8, 2016 15:11:57 GMT -8
Forgetting just the bulk/strength/bball savvy... 6'10" athletic players with both post, mid range, and 3 point game are almost common place now days. He'll likely be limited to just developing and refining a good post game with some rebounding prowess. That would be a great deal for us on the college level, but it does not warrant much attention in the NBA these days.  You just described the games of Kevin Durant, Demarcus Cousins, Dirk Nowitzki and Kristaps Porzingis - franchise foundation players. I agree there are more athletic bigs these days, but the ones with polished outside and inside games are franchise-defining players. We really disagree on this one - I see Drew's peak potential way beyond anybody else on the team, and its not even close. You can make top-tier NBA dollars just being athletic and bulky at that size, with no offensive game beyond dunks (including being a terrible FT shooter) - see Deandre Jordan. Jordan can block, rebound and defend of course, but all easily in Eubanks' range of development (where as a 3 pt game, that's much more questionable). I honestly prefer his game upside of the much more highly touted players of similar frames - Rabb, Tarczewski, Scott and Poeltl. Scott and Tarczewski are seniors, and it can easily imagine Drew at that level in 3 more years. Poeltl is much less athletic. All 4 of those guys are expected to be drafted, and I just don't see Drew being that far behind those guys. Tarczewski in particular has virtually identical frosh stats in similar minutes - and I'm guessing all those guys were focused on basketball much earlier than Drew was. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 8, 2016 15:51:48 GMT -8
Forgetting just the bulk/strength/bball savvy... 6'10" athletic players with both post, mid range, and 3 point game are almost common place now days. He'll likely be limited to just developing and refining a good post game with some rebounding prowess. That would be a great deal for us on the college level, but it does not warrant much attention in the NBA these days. You just described the games of Kevin Durant, Demarcus Cousins, Dirk Nowitzki and Kristaps Porzingis - franchise foundation players. I agree there are more athletic bigs these days, but the ones with polished outside and inside games are franchise-defining players. We really disagree on this one - I see Drew's peak potential way beyond anybody else on the team, and its not even close. You can make top-tier NBA dollars just being athletic and bulky at that size, with no offensive game beyond dunks (including being a terrible FT shooter) - see Deandre Jordan. Jordan can block, rebound and defend of course, but all easily in Eubanks' range of development (where as a 3 pt game, that's much more questionable). I honestly prefer his game upside of the much more highly touted players of similar frames - Rabb, Tarczewski, Scott and Poeltl. Scott and Tarczewski are seniors, and it can easily imagine Drew at that level in 3 more years. Poeltl is much less athletic. All 4 of those guys are expected to be drafted, and I just don't see Drew being that far behind those guys. Tarczewski in particular has virtually identical frosh stats in similar minutes - and I'm guessing all those guys were focused on basketball much earlier than Drew was. You named franchise defining players... how many TRUE bigs play in the NBA... the complete/all-around big is what is most sought after. For every true big with no outside game I can name starters to key role players that have the mid-range to 3 game x2 at least. Even the franchise player Anthony Davis has begun to incorporate the 3, shooting two a game. Comparing Tarczewski on a VERY talented Zona team to Drew on this team is not quite the same... and please you're telling me even steven you'd take Drew over Tarczewski as Frosh?? And being drafted was not the argument. Could Drew be drafted? Sure. Who has the highest upside/"highest rated" from where he is now was the post. To me I was assuming NBA was the rating being talked about. And the progression of the NBA is to a more complete player. There are only about 18 true Centers listed on the NBA rosters/so rated by the NBA themselves... only 7 play 30 min or over a game and average about 0.3 3pt FGA/game. So about 0.5 per NBA team and some have two of them on their rosters. There are double that number considered F/C that shoot over (3) three pointers a game... Cousins being one of them that shoots 3.5 threes per game... at 36%. Outside of Curry's 10 attempts/game the average for all positions is about 3.8 attempts/game from three. The day of the NBA looking to build around a big with limited shooting range is over... franchise or role player. That has been trending for some time. I could care less what the NBA wants, but it is why I asked what was meant by the initial post... as far as upside for our players. If the post was which players upside would help us be a consistent "dance" team, then I would say Drew's or any other big we get would be the most important. The biggest improvement Drew (and any other big we get)... play interior defense and rebound!!!!! We do not need a big to score like Steve Johnson (would be awesome though!). We need a few bigs that will play with the heart and desire of a AC/David Lucas and do the dirty work inside... score on few set plays, but get tip ins, rebound, and cut off penetration... and combine for 15 and 15. |
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Post by georgevonbeaverstrom on Feb 8, 2016 16:00:26 GMT -8
I guess I fall into the "high ceiling" camp, personally I predict a pretty significant leap for Drew next season. A year of Tinkle, weights, living and breathing hoops. And I wouldn't sleep on Big G either.
I think my expectations for Drew probably were skewed a bit after he threw down about 8 dunks on WOU. Turns out he's not going to do that against the Stanfords of the world. Note to self- always remember that it's WOU.
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Post by beavs6 on Feb 8, 2016 17:45:03 GMT -8
I think when all is said and done, Eubanks will be the highest rated player out of this year's Freshman class. He has a couple of things that cannot be taught...height AND athleticism. He is lacking things that can be taught, hence being on a team with coaches. He has only been playing hoops for what...4-5 years?! His ceiling is WAY HIGH. Not sure what you mean by highly rated??? Like NBA types? My money would be on Stevie... he has the offensive tools/swagger, and is deceptively long and a better defender (especially NBA style defense) than he is given credit for. Drew is lacking A LOT to pass Stevie (Tres will have a tough time over coming the quickness factor, but he will end up bigger stronger and be more of a post with a 3 ball game... IMHO) in terms of for his position. Forgetting just the bulk/strength/bball savvy... 6'10" athletic players with both post, mid range, and 3 point game are almost common place now days. He'll likely be limited to just developing and refining a good post game with some rebounding prowess. That would be a great deal for us on the college level, but it does not warrant much attention in the NBA these days. OK--let's look at our (I say our...I'm in the PDX area) professional sports team. Look at Myers Leonard. Where was he drafted? I can see Drew surpassing anything Leonard did in college. Can he get 3 more inches? at age 18/19...maybe. I guess I'm with others and disagreeing with you. Give me athletic height (and the more height, the better) than "short". How many years has Stevie been playing/exposed to hoops? TT? The answer is a whole lot longer than Eubanks. Normally, the bigger the player (on average) the longer it takes them to be physically mature enough to compete with older players their size. How many Offensive Lineman start as true freshman? How about skill players? (I know we are talking basketball, I'm using athletic examples) It is why teams are willing to wait for large athletes to develop...by and large...longer than smaller athletes. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 8, 2016 19:09:37 GMT -8
Not sure what you mean by highly rated??? Like NBA types? My money would be on Stevie... he has the offensive tools/swagger, and is deceptively long and a better defender (especially NBA style defense) than he is given credit for. Drew is lacking A LOT to pass Stevie (Tres will have a tough time over coming the quickness factor, but he will end up bigger stronger and be more of a post with a 3 ball game... IMHO) in terms of for his position. Forgetting just the bulk/strength/bball savvy... 6'10" athletic players with both post, mid range, and 3 point game are almost common place now days. He'll likely be limited to just developing and refining a good post game with some rebounding prowess. That would be a great deal for us on the college level, but it does not warrant much attention in the NBA these days. OK--let's look at our (I say our...I'm in the PDX area) professional sports team. Look at Myers Leonard. Where was he drafted? I can see Drew surpassing anything Leonard did in college. Can he get 3 more inches? at age 18/19...maybe. I guess I'm with others and disagreeing with you. Give me athletic height (and the more height, the better) than "short". How many years has Stevie been playing/exposed to hoops? TT? The answer is a whole lot longer than Eubanks. Normally, the bigger the player (on average) the longer it takes them to be physically mature enough to compete with older players their size. How many Offensive Lineman start as true freshman? How about skill players? (I know we are talking basketball, I'm using athletic examples) It is why teams are willing to wait for large athletes to develop...by and large...longer than smaller athletes. It's all opinions... BUT, LM was on a 2nd round NCAA Illini team that returned all 5 starters/top 7 players and played only 8 min.game. If Drew turned out anything close to LM/11th pick 1st round I would be AMAZED!!! And, you realize LM was a soph when he came out... 13+pts/8+ boards, 60 blocks, and 7'1", 235... if Drew stays for 4 years I'd hope he can be 13 and 8. But the 11th pick overall?? |
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Post by georgevonbeaverstrom on Feb 9, 2016 13:07:27 GMT -8
A senior Eubanks would have pretty much zero chance of lottery pick unless he became a 1st team all-american type. Seniors are pretty much downgraded come draft day anymore and usually relegated to the 2nd round. Since 2010 there have only been 5 seniors taken in the top 15 picks of the draft (Kaminsky, McDermott, Adrien Payne, CJ McCollum, Jimmer).
He'd be better off adopting a Euro alias. Drewcius Eubanksovich might get him in the lottery. The Knicks would draft him in a heartbeat.
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