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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 6, 2017 21:01:47 GMT -8
I don't read educk... why do they want Mullins gone? He seems to have been a very good AD, and it wasn't his fault Jimbo left for a crazy contract and that FSU just happened to be Taggarts "Dream Job"... I mean he tried to throw money at Willie, and that didn't work... What else did they want him to do? 2 huge back to back botched moves with the football HC. Extending Helfrich too early, making it easy for a career vagabond to vamoose! Ya... well let's not go dissing others on coaching hires! Both schools had a guy leave for better jobs. They fired/recovered. We had a quitter and still have to recover. |
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Post by obf on Dec 7, 2017 9:24:59 GMT -8
I don't read educk... why do they want Mullins gone? He seems to have been a very good AD, and it wasn't his fault Jimbo left for a crazy contract and that FSU just happened to be Taggarts "Dream Job"... I mean he tried to throw money at Willie, and that didn't work... What else did they want him to do? 2 huge back to back botched moves with the football HC. Extending Helfrich too early, making it easy for a career vagabond to vamoose! Yeah I saw Clowny complaining about this... but it's kind of a ridiculous ask I think... They had to cajole Taggart to come here in the first place, everyone would have called Mullins a fool if he had wooed Willie just to run him off with outrageous contract negotiation demands. The buyout in Taggarts contract was pretty standard... It was more than we got for Riley a few years ago  IMO, Willie worked out exactly as planned... the time table was just a bit accelerated, which was hard to see coming since FSU's job was seen as filled longterm before a month ago... |
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 7, 2017 9:48:28 GMT -8
2 huge back to back botched moves with the football HC. Extending Helfrich too early, making it easy for a career vagabond to vamoose! Yeah I saw Clowny complaining about this... but it's kind of a ridiculous ask I think... They had to cajole Taggart to come here in the first place, everyone would have called Mullins a fool if he had wooed Willie just to run him off with outrageous contract negotiation demands. The buyout in Taggarts contract was pretty standard... It was more than we got for Riley a few years ago IMO, Willie worked out exactly as planned... the time table was just a bit accelerated, which was hard to see coming since FSU's job was seen as filled longterm before a month ago... I don't disagree. I was just answering why Duck fan was pissed at Mullen. |
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Post by obf on Dec 7, 2017 9:52:47 GMT -8
Yeah I saw Clowny complaining about this... but it's kind of a ridiculous ask I think... They had to cajole Taggart to come here in the first place, everyone would have called Mullins a fool if he had wooed Willie just to run him off with outrageous contract negotiation demands. The buyout in Taggarts contract was pretty standard... It was more than we got for Riley a few years ago IMO, Willie worked out exactly as planned... the time table was just a bit accelerated, which was hard to see coming since FSU's job was seen as filled longterm before a month ago... I don't disagree. I was just answering why Duck fan was pissed at Mullen. Ah, thanks  It was always assumed that Willie was a transient coach that was here for a few years to improve their recruiting and them move on up, so I find it funny that they complain about being a stepping stone... It was literally what the AD was assuming would happen (or at least should have been), it just happened 3 years early... |
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 7, 2017 10:07:25 GMT -8
I don't disagree. I was just answering why Duck fan was pissed at Mullen. Ah, thanks It was always assumed that Willie was a transient coach that was here for a few years to improve their recruiting and them move on up, so I find it funny that they complain about being a stepping stone... It was literally what the AD was assuming would happen (or at least should have been), it just happened 3 years early... He's a total phony. I think a very average coach but an excellent bulls%#tter/recruiter. Who would have predicted the Florida St job opening up? Crazy days. |
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Post by green85 on Dec 7, 2017 11:11:11 GMT -8
Please sign me up for some meaningless conference titles. You quoted a statement and left out the context in which it was made. If one of the traditionally lowest funded teams in the conference (us) were to win a title through any means we'd be happy clams. Absolutely and rightfully so. We don't declare ourselves "elite" with every breath. If on the other hand we dumped hundreds of millions of dollars into our program, recruited illegally, had the full power of nike behind us, and touted ourselves as an "elite" program, most would want to face and defeat a full power USC team in the conference title game to prove it. Not duck the traditional conference powers. Most would want to defeat a strong versus weak UW team to get to the title game. PLaying an unranked 6-6 UCLA team without a head coach in the title game not nearly as impressive as a 10-12 win USC team wouldn't you agree. Playing a 10 win Arizona team who had already beat you on your home field was a better test, but all it did is tie the series at 1-1 on the season. Ummm ... that win over Arizona in 2014 Pac12 Championship Game was good enough to have the playoff committee select Oregon to play Florida State in the first College Football Playoff Semifinal game (Rose Bowl). So apparently the Pac12 wasn't as "down" in 2014 as you might characterize. As for "illegal recruiting", I believe a review of the facts and results of the investigation will find that Oregon did not gain a material advantage on the field. The bottom-line was that Oregon and head Coach Kelly did not monitor and/or select a recruiting service that complied with NCAA standards for reporting. Added to that were the instances of a coach watching a practice of a recruit with the recruiting service person present, extra phone calls from an assistant in the Athletic Department that thought his calls did not count in the total recruiting calls, and having too many coaches technically out of the office recruiting when one was returning and another left the office before he actually returned. Like I said in my original post ... Oregon's on-field success was built on the effort and play of players on the field. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Dec 7, 2017 14:59:09 GMT -8
You quoted a statement and left out the context in which it was made. If one of the traditionally lowest funded teams in the conference (us) were to win a title through any means we'd be happy clams. Absolutely and rightfully so. We don't declare ourselves "elite" with every breath. If on the other hand we dumped hundreds of millions of dollars into our program, recruited illegally, had the full power of nike behind us, and touted ourselves as an "elite" program, most would want to face and defeat a full power USC team in the conference title game to prove it. Not duck the traditional conference powers. Most would want to defeat a strong versus weak UW team to get to the title game. PLaying an unranked 6-6 UCLA team without a head coach in the title game not nearly as impressive as a 10-12 win USC team wouldn't you agree. Playing a 10 win Arizona team who had already beat you on your home field was a better test, but all it did is tie the series at 1-1 on the season. Ummm ... that win over Arizona in 2014 Pac12 Championship Game was good enough to have the playoff committee select Oregon to play Florida State in the first College Football Playoff Semifinal game (Rose Bowl). So apparently the Pac12 wasn't as "down" in 2014 as you might characterize. As for "illegal recruiting", I believe a review of the facts and results of the investigation will find that Oregon did not gain a material advantage on the field. The bottom-line was that Oregon and head Coach Kelly did not monitor and/or select a recruiting service that complied with NCAA standards for reporting. Added to that were the instances of a coach watching a practice of a recruit with the recruiting service person present, extra phone calls from an assistant in the Athletic Department that thought his calls did not count in the total recruiting calls, and having too many coaches technically out of the office recruiting when one was returning and another left the office before he actually returned. Like I said in my original post ... Oregon's on-field success was built on the effort and play of players on the field. who is your choice in the coaching search? Hearing the same names multiple times now: Sumlin, McElwain, Cristobal, Leavitt, Tedford, Wilcox... |
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Post by green85 on Dec 7, 2017 15:18:29 GMT -8
My preferences for a new head coach at Oregon in my rank:
1. Mario Cristobal - especially if he can keep Jim Leavitt
2. Jim Leavitt - especially if he can keep Cristobal
3. Kevin Sumlin - especially if he can keep Leavitt & Cristobal
Options I could understand:
4. Jeff Tedford
5. Beau Baldwin
6. McElwain
Coaches I DON'T want to see (like not even on an interview list):
Mike Leach
Lane Kiffin
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Post by ochobeavo on Dec 7, 2017 15:36:58 GMT -8
My preferences for a new head coach at Oregon in my rank: 1. Mario Cristobal - especially if he can keep Jim Leavitt 2. Jim Leavitt - especially if he can keep Cristobal 3. Kevin Sumlin - especially if he can keep Leavitt & Cristobal Options I could understand: 4. Jeff Tedford 5. Beau Baldwin 6. McElwain Coaches I DON'T want to see (like not even on an interview list): Mike Leach Lane Kiffin Is it realistic to think either Leavitt or Cristobal would be okay getting passed over for HC & then working for the other? Not trolling, honest question. I'd also be a little nervous re: Mario the next time a high profile gig opens up in the southeast... Leavitt seems like the safer of the 2 in that respect. |
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Post by green85 on Dec 7, 2017 17:00:33 GMT -8
My preferences for a new head coach at Oregon in my rank: 1. Mario Cristobal - especially if he can keep Jim Leavitt 2. Jim Leavitt - especially if he can keep Cristobal 3. Kevin Sumlin - especially if he can keep Leavitt & Cristobal Options I could understand: 4. Jeff Tedford 5. Beau Baldwin 6. McElwain Coaches I DON'T want to see (like not even on an interview list): Mike Leach Lane Kiffin Is it realistic to think either Leavitt or Cristobal would be okay getting passed over for HC & then working for the other? Not trolling, honest question. I'd also be a little nervous re: Mario the next time a high profile gig opens up in the southeast... Leavitt seems like the safer of the 2 in that respect. Cristobal is a proven recruiter (named top recruiter nationally at one point). His expertise with the o-line and offense is great too. He provides some continuity for this time. I doubt either Leavitt or Cristobal would consider a new head coach "being passed over", given that without the FSU job opening they would still be working for Taggart in the same roles. In addition, given that both want to be head coaches, the likelihood they would stay longer than 3 or 4 years at Oregon was not high. The point being, they have created something with players at Oregon that they may want to keep going for 2 or 3 years before looking for a head coaching gig. I expect that both Leavitt and Cristobal want a P5 job, because both have already been HC at the G5 or lower level. As for timing, there are not a lot of P5 jobs open NOW, so sticking with Oregon another year or two is as easy or easier than packing up to be on someone else's staff. I am not sure that rationale makes it more realistic that one or both stay for a new head coach. But the circumstances and timing added to how most assistants bond fairly closely with players at least gives some percentage chance for this to work out. Hey, a fan can hope. Leavitt has Florida ties, and I am sure at least has an open offer from Taggart to go to FSU. In that case, I think it is as likely that either he or Cristobal could be named Head Coach at Oregon. And I don't think either would leave Oregon after one year, except if Alabama job opened up and the Tide offered it to Cristobal. Short term, there is significant value in keeping Cristobal, Arroyo and Heyward for their connections to the current class of recruits. I have also seen tweets from recruits specifically naming Leavitt as a DC they want to play for. In the long term, the better option might be Sumlin or McElwain. IMO this situation is chaos for Oregon this year, and could impact the next 4 years (HC, assistants, recruiting, etc.). Oregon has done nothing wrong, but is paying a price for bad timing with the Florida State job opening. When I read that the Taggart family wore FSU gear to a game where Taggart was coaching the visiting team, I knew that the "dream job thing" had a pretty strong pull for Willie. |
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Post by osuft3 on Dec 7, 2017 22:40:35 GMT -8
uh-oh. Will Keith now have two offers? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 10:42:20 GMT -8
uh-oh. Will Keith now have two offers? Especially with Cristobal getting the HC gig. I hope Heyward still bolts! |
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Post by green85 on Dec 8, 2017 11:06:54 GMT -8
Leavitt responded in a tweet several days later "Don't believe everything you read" in reference to reports he is going to FSU. I think there remains a chance that Leavitt stays at Oregon. We will KNOW after the bowl game. |
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Post by gnawitall on Dec 10, 2017 11:58:56 GMT -8
Duck misery = Beaver victory!  |
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