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Post by beavadelic on Dec 4, 2017 10:34:52 GMT -8
In this format I'm good with it. Those are two awesome football games. Looking forward to it going to 8, hopefully soon, so the beauty pageant part is completely removed from the equation other than picking who the wildcards will be. But that could simply be the two highest ranked non champion team averaged from the AP and Coaches bowl, scrap the committee altogether. Going to 8 automatically makes winning your conference the ultimate goal. No more debate about how many conference games you play or OOC SOS. Spot on. The current system is flawed. Comparing the conferences to determine which doesn’t deserve a spot automatically in the Playoff is so subjective. Bama played horse crap and directional schools, and in the couple of challenging games they were handled rather easily by Auburn, and beat an LSU team that would have lost 4 games in the PAC 12 in a fairly close one. The relative clout of your coach, overblown value for your conference by the media, and past success should not trump winning conference championships. We need an 8 team format now. Let all conference champions in, they deserve it. My guess is that occasionally a conference champ will look bad in the Playoff, but I think that would be the exception rather than the rule (and those who want to talk about UW not belonging last year...that was a game into the 4th quarter, with Bama leading by 10. Their D got a TD, but 24-7 is not the butt-kicking that, say, the 20-0 shutout by Bama over fellow conference member LSU was in the title game a few years back). They have to make winning a P5 conference title matter, or this is only slighter less-ridiculous than the old BCS model. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Dec 4, 2017 10:36:19 GMT -8
SOS, margin of victory and "bad losses" aside, my own - I'm just a caveman - formula is this: If I'm Clemson/Oklahoma/Georgia, which of the bubble teams would I really like to avoid in the 1st rd of the playoff?
Alabama by a landslide.
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Post by nforkbeav on Dec 4, 2017 10:38:40 GMT -8
Pete Carroll got railroaded out of college football. Oh well, he got to go back to the NFL, where he was viewed as a failure there too, and prove he's not.
Cheatin' Pete did not get "Railroaded". He got caught and ran away and left someone else to clean up his mess. This is a commonly held belief by some, however it isn't based in fact. When a coach/program actively, or even passively seeks an on field advantage through underhanded means, that's clearly and unequivocally "cheating". That has been clearly established to be true at several programs over the past 6 or so years; N. Carolina, Ok State, Auburn, FSU, and Miami for example. None of those programs received anywhere near the penalties USC received. Unlike those programs, USC was never shown to have sought any type of on field advantage. It could not be more clear based on all these examples, the penalties levied had nothing to do with cheating and everything to do with cutting the legs of the program that threatened the dominance of the SEC. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 11:08:09 GMT -8
Cheatin' Pete did not get "Railroaded". He got caught and ran away and left someone else to clean up his mess. This is a commonly held belief by some, however it isn't based in fact. When a coach/program actively, or even passively seeks an on field advantage through underhanded means, that's clearly and unequivocally "cheating". That has been clearly established to be true at several programs over the past 6 or so years; N. Carolina, Ok State, Auburn, FSU, and Miami for example. None of those programs received anywhere near the penalties USC received. Unlike those programs, USC was never shown to have sought any type of on field advantage. It could not be more clear based on all these examples, the penalties levied had nothing to do with cheating and everything to do with cutting the legs of the program that threatened the dominance of the SEC. Yep, as Tark said, "The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky they are giving Cleveland State another 2 years of probation" Its beyond rigged. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 4, 2017 11:51:08 GMT -8
Pete Carroll got railroaded out of college football. Oh well, he got to go back to the NFL, where he was viewed as a failure there too, and prove he's not.
Cheatin' Pete did not get "Railroaded". He got caught and ran away and left someone else to clean up his mess. False, he left before he even knew what the Sanctions were, he wanted to coach in the NFL again at some point, and received a huge offer he couldn't turn down.
As for what they got punished for, which was absolutely idiotic relative to the infactions handed down, this from Ted Miller
These sanctions have been criticized by some NCAA football writers,[6][7][8][9][10] including ESPN’s Ted Miller, who wrote, “It's become an accepted fact among informed college football observers that the NCAA sanctions against USC were a travesty of justice, and the NCAA’s refusal to revisit that travesty are a massive act of cowardice on the part of the organization.”
Miller also suggested that the sanctions had more to do with objections to the football culture at USC than its alleged noncompliance with NCAA rules:
During a flight delay last year, I was cornered at an airport by an administrator from a major program outside the Pac-12. He made fun of me as a "USC fanboy" because of my rants against the NCAA ruling against the Trojans. But we started talking. Turned out he agreed with just about all my points. (He just didn't like USC.)
He told me, after some small talk and off-the-record, that "everybody" thought USC got screwed. He said that he thought the NCAA was trying to scare everyone with the ruling, but subsequent major violations cases put it in a pickle.
Then he told me that USC was punished for its "USC-ness," that while many teams had closed down access — to media, to fans, etc. — USC under Pete Carroll was completely open, and that was widely resented. There was a widespread belief the national media fawned on USC because of this. Further, more than a few schools thought that the presence of big-time celebrities, such as Snoop Dogg and Will Ferrell, at practices and at games constituted an unfair recruiting advantage for the Trojans.
It wasn't against the rules, but everyone hated it. This, as he assessed his own smell test, was a subtext of the so-called atmosphere of noncompliance that the NCAA referred to — an atmosphere that oddly yielded very few instances of noncompliance around the football program even after a four-year NCAA investigation.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 4, 2017 12:02:37 GMT -8
In this format I'm good with it. Those are two awesome football games. Looking forward to it going to 8, hopefully soon, so the beauty pageant part is completely removed from the equation other than picking who the wildcards will be. But that could simply be the two highest ranked non champion team averaged from the AP and Coaches bowl, scrap the committee altogether. Going to 8 automatically makes winning your conference the ultimate goal. No more debate about how many conference games you play or OOC SOS. Spot on. The current system is flawed. Comparing the conferences to determine which doesn’t deserve a spot automatically in the Playoff is so subjective. Bama played horse crap and directional schools, and in the couple of challenging games they were handled rather easily by Auburn, and beat an LSU team that would have lost 4 games in the PAC 12 in a fairly close one. The relative clout of your coach, overblown value for your conference by the media, and past success should not trump winning conference championships. We need an 8 team format now. Let all conference champions in, they deserve it. My guess is that occasionally a conference champ will look bad in the Playoff, but I think that would be the exception rather than the rule (and those who want to talk about UW not belonging last year...that was a game into the 4th quarter, with Bama leading by 10. Their D got a TD, but 24-7 is not the butt-kicking that, say, the 20-0 shutout by Bama over fellow conference member LSU was in the title game a few years back). They have to make winning a P5 conference title matter, or this is only slighter less-ridiculous than the old BCS model.
Thanks for the props, but you are wrong, Bama destroyed Washington. Ignore the score, go watch the game. Bama dominated on both sides of the ball.
Washington gained 194 total yards, more than 260 less then their average for the season. In fact, after its first two drives of the game, Washington gained a grand total of 98 yards...the final 48 minutes of the game, on 11 drives. They average 1.5 ypc. Browning was horrific.
On the flip side, Bama simply rushed it down their throat. 50 carries...averaged 5.4 ypc. They only passed 14 times.
It was big boy football against a JV team. Bama could have won by 5 TDs if it wanted.
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Post by thomasg86 on Dec 4, 2017 12:30:13 GMT -8
I agree, 8 teams is the way to go. All P5 champions get an automatic bid. The highest ranked G5 school gets a bid (assuming 1 loss or less and a top 15 rank). The other two slots are at large for a committee. If you don't qualify for the 8 there, you probably don't have a legitimate argument for being the best team.
At least it's not the BCS anymore. I really hope the next "movement" isn't at a glacial pace like the BCS to CFP was.
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Post by beavadelic on Dec 4, 2017 13:09:16 GMT -8
SOS, margin of victory and "bad losses" aside, my own - I'm just a caveman - formula is this: If I'm Clemson/Oklahoma/Georgia, which of the bubble teams would I really like to avoid in the 1st rd of the playoff? Alabama by a landslide. I understand. Perception is huge, but we his is a different Alabama team, and a pure system rewards the here and now. I do think that Clemson is the one team who manages not to get shrinkage when they hear the Tide mentioned. I doubt it matters to them whether they would play Alabama, Georgia or Oklahoma. They’re in this to win it all, and if a team is “the best”, you’re going to play them. It makes little difference whether it’s the semis or the championship. Since they’ve gone toe to toe the previous two years and split the games to each win a title, I doubt the pucker factor is the same. FWIW, I believe that Clemson is the more complete team, but we’ll see. |
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Post by beavadelic on Dec 4, 2017 13:12:53 GMT -8
Spot on. The current system is flawed. Comparing the conferences to determine which doesn’t deserve a spot automatically in the Playoff is so subjective. Bama played horse crap and directional schools, and in the couple of challenging games they were handled rather easily by Auburn, and beat an LSU team that would have lost 4 games in the PAC 12 in a fairly close one. The relative clout of your coach, overblown value for your conference by the media, and past success should not trump winning conference championships. We need an 8 team format now. Let all conference champions in, they deserve it. My guess is that occasionally a conference champ will look bad in the Playoff, but I think that would be the exception rather than the rule (and those who want to talk about UW not belonging last year...that was a game into the 4th quarter, with Bama leading by 10. Their D got a TD, but 24-7 is not the butt-kicking that, say, the 20-0 shutout by Bama over fellow conference member LSU was in the title game a few years back). They have to make winning a P5 conference title matter, or this is only slighter less-ridiculous than the old BCS model.
Thanks for the props, but you are wrong, Bama destroyed Washington. Ignore the score, go watch the game. Bama dominated on both sides of the ball.
Washington gained 194 total yards, more than 260 less then their average for the season. In fact, after its first two drives of the game, Washington gained a grand total of 98 yards...the final 48 minutes of the game, on 11 drives. They average 1.5 ypc. Browning was horrific.
On the flip side, Bama simply rushed it down their throat. 50 carries...averaged 5.4 ypc. They only passed 14 times.
It was big boy football against a JV team. Bama could have won by 5 TDs if it wanted.
Wonder why they didn’t want to win by 5 TDs? |
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Post by beaverdude on Dec 4, 2017 13:19:12 GMT -8
None of those programs received anywhere near the penalties USC received. Unlike those programs, USC was never shown to have sought any type of on field advantage. It could not be more clear based on all these examples, the penalties levied had nothing to do with cheating and everything to do with cutting the legs of the program that threatened the dominance of the SEC. Cheating is cheating no matter what penalty was assigned. Pete knew Reggie was getting paid to play. |
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Post by mb on Dec 4, 2017 13:57:04 GMT -8
I dropped my son off at Eugene airport early this morning for his flight to DFW via SFO. He texted me at 5:30 am with this tidbit: "...5 or 6 what looked to be duck football coaches just boarded a flight to L.A....."
I'm guessing they're down there trying to hold on to their SoCal recruits or hitting Chipster up for a job. MB.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 4, 2017 14:10:24 GMT -8
Thanks for the props, but you are wrong, Bama destroyed Washington. Ignore the score, go watch the game. Bama dominated on both sides of the ball.
Washington gained 194 total yards, more than 260 less then their average for the season. In fact, after its first two drives of the game, Washington gained a grand total of 98 yards...the final 48 minutes of the game, on 11 drives. They average 1.5 ypc. Browning was horrific.
On the flip side, Bama simply rushed it down their throat. 50 carries...averaged 5.4 ypc. They only passed 14 times.
It was big boy football against a JV team. Bama could have won by 5 TDs if it wanted.
Wonder why they didn’t want to win by 5 TDs? They had a far more important game to play the following week. Why do anything to risk injury when you are playing a JV team and can grind them into oblivion. |
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Post by nforkbeav on Dec 4, 2017 14:21:21 GMT -8
None of those programs received anywhere near the penalties USC received. Unlike those programs, USC was never shown to have sought any type of on field advantage. It could not be more clear based on all these examples, the penalties levied had nothing to do with cheating and everything to do with cutting the legs of the program that threatened the dominance of the SEC. Cheating is cheating no matter what penalty was assigned. Pete knew Reggie was getting paid to play. You have no clue what Pete knew and you certainly don't have credibility on the topic if you think Reggie was getting paid to play. It's amazing anyone even thinks that when the longest, most thorough NCAA investigation ever, never once claimed Bush was paid to go to, or play for USC. Had nothing to do with that or USC for that matter. No offense, but you have some very strong opinions while obviously not knowing what the Bush scandal was about in the least. |
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Post by beaverdude on Dec 4, 2017 15:13:27 GMT -8
You have no clue what Pete knew and you certainly don't have credibility on the topic if you think Reggie was getting paid to play. It's amazing anyone even thinks that when the longest, most thorough NCAA investigation ever, never once claimed Bush was paid to go to, or play for USC. Had nothing to do with that or USC for that matter. No offense, but you have some very strong opinions while obviously not knowing what the Bush scandal was about in the least. History shows the USC penalties are related to Reggie Bush and O.J. Mayo (basketball) "Two thirds of Reggie Bush's stellar college career that ended with the New Orleans Saints running back winning the 2005 Heisman Trophy at Southern California was vacated by the NCAA on Thursday afternoon." Full ArticleCheatin' Pete encouraged sports marketers to hire student-athletes as interns.. "If the charges in the Infractions Report are correct, it's tough to dispute that Carroll was skirting the truth. And if Carroll not only knew about allegedly inappropriate dealings with marketing companies possibly attached to agents, but helped to establish those relationships" The smoking gunPretty clear in my book. |
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Post by nforkbeav on Dec 4, 2017 16:05:56 GMT -8
History shows the USC penalties are related to Reggie Bush and O.J. Mayo (basketball) "Two thirds of Reggie Bush's stellar college career that ended with the New Orleans Saints running back winning the 2005 Heisman Trophy at Southern California was vacated by the NCAA on Thursday afternoon." Full ArticleCheatin' Pete encouraged sports marketers to hire student-athletes as interns.. " If the charges in the Infractions Report are correct, it's tough to dispute that Carroll was skirting the truth. And if Carroll not only knew about allegedly inappropriate dealings with marketing companies possibly attached to agents, but helped to establish those relationships" The smoking gunPretty clear in my book. If, allegedly, and possibly? ESPN Ted Miller wrote, "It's become an accepted fact among informed college football observers that the NCAA sanctions against USC were a travesty of justice, and the NCAA's refusal to revisit that travesty are [sic] a massive act of cowardice on the part of the organization." |
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